Age Restrictions

[Wicked_Slim_Shady]

At the XL Tourney, are there age restrictions on entering any of the tournaments?

You see my 2 kids are coming with me and they are 12 & 10 respectively & they wanna enter the GOW tourney, but im not sure on any restrictions might be in place as GOW is rated 18.

Cheers,

[carocat]

I'm afraid XL has to follow the law and there will be age restrictions (just like the last XL event) for GoW which don't allow under 18s to play the game.

[Wicked_Slim_Shady]

What about the Matchbox 360 online organised tournaments? Is the Age Restriction in place aswell?

[KONSPIRACY]

Age restrictions are in place at XL as we are liable to prosecution should we fail to enforce the BBFC 18 certificate n would be classed as a "supplier" to under age children. As such, unles GoW is in an enclosed environment (ie its own room) then explicit content is turned off n minors are able to view the game being played but not participate.

Online competitions are different as there is no way of us monitoring or restricting the ages of players. In this case, games stores are liable for the supply of the game n its the parents responsibility to ensure the BBFC age restriction is imposed if they choose to do so. As such there are no age restrictions for our online events as we purely arrange fixtures for willing participants.

Any questions, please feel free to ask :cool:

[Wicked_Slim_Shady]

That's ok, at least I know.

But as far as the "Responsible Parents" comments you read in the media.....

I know my children, they maybe 12 & 10 respectively but they are very mature for their ages and we have had their various teachers acknowlege this.

My children do know the difference between right & wrong, and they know the games that they play arent real and they would not go around doing terrible things and blaming it on the game, which people have told the media what the reason was, which in my opinion is total B*LL*CKS!

Also, various people whether to my face or online have told me im an irresponsible parent and told me that my kids should be put into care, but I feel that their gaming talents are wasted on games that are designed for "Little Kids", to which they aint.

My sons are gutted that they wont be able to play in the XL tournament, but when I buy them a Gamertag, ive told them that they can play in the online tornaments, so at least they can play in some capacity.

Thanks to you both for clairifying the age restriction rules.

Cheers,

[KONSPIRACY]

Well I am in an ongoing battle to have them removed...but as I'm sure you understand, theres plenty of legal implications involved. If anything changes you'll hear it here first :cool:

[Gaskin]

You realise that if the age restriction is lifted then I will actually kiss you.

[KONSPIRACY]

...n I will break your face! lol :D

[Gaskin]

After I've kissed yours. Lmao.

[KONSPIRACY]

You sick little boy! :eek:

[carocat]

That's ok, at least I know.

But as far as the "Responsible Parents" comments you read in the media.....

I know my children, they maybe 12 & 10 respectively but they are very mature for their ages and we have had their various teachers acknowlege this.

My children do know the difference between right & wrong, and they know the games that they play arent real and they would not go around doing terrible things and blaming it on the game, which people have told the media what the reason was, which in my opinion is total B*LL*CKS!

Also, various people whether to my face or online have told me im an irresponsible parent and told me that my kids should be put into care, but I feel that their gaming talents are wasted on games that are designed for "Little Kids", to which they aint.

My sons are gutted that they wont be able to play in the XL tournament, but when I buy them a Gamertag, ive told them that they can play in the online tornaments, so at least they can play in some capacity.

Thanks to you both for clairifying the age restriction rules.

Cheers,
Sorry, this may go slightly off topic now, but you're pretty much the first parent that I have met that allows his underage kids to play 18 rated games.

The whole debate/argument about kids killing someone is often blamed on games. I'm from Germany and we have killings at schools around once a year which the politicians are now using as an excuse to ban the so called 'Killerspiele' [killinggames], however so far they have failed to actually narrow down what those are. My view on this is that it is not the retailers or games fault, but instead the parents who use games as a cheap 'babysitter', just like the TV. So effectively I think it's down to bad parenting.

I was just wondering how you have made the decision to allow your kids to play these games, have you spoken to them about the difference between games/real life and have they ever seen anything disturbing in a game that they have spoken to you about?

EDIT: Just re read my post and realised it sounded very negatively which definitely wasn't intented, Im really just interested in it, especially if [a very big if!] I have kids one day.

[Gaskin]

Cat thought you said you didn't want kids...

Games are games, if the kids are smart enough then they'll realise the difference. I certainly did when I was 12 and these children seem to be mature enough to know what's real and what's not.

[carocat]

Cat thought you said you didn't want kids...

Games are games, if the kids are smart enough then they'll realise the difference. I certainly did when I was 12 and these children seem to be mature enough to know what's real and what's not.
Yes, I don't, I can't see myself committing to something that big for the rest of my life anytime soon which is why I said:
I'm really just interested in it, especially if [a very big if!] I have kids one day.

[quickshot89]

thats the thing, personally, i blame the GTA games, ow, let speak like a f** to each other, and shoot innocent people, same with manhunt etc, yer, im sure thats really good to be teaching 8 years olds on xmas/ bdays

games like halo, gears etc shouldn't teach you to do anything, as its set in a completely different universe, and then games like R6V, i think, while realistic, also teach you to be calm and wait for things, or you wont get through the level

edit: sorry if its abit of topic, but i think it suits the thread, and shady, good on you for playing with your sons on video games, wish my dad did that, for taht reason however, i think its is why they know its not real life, as their dad is with them at the time, or at least im guessing

[Retro]

Let em do what they want is what i think, and when/if i ever have kids then i will have very relaxed rules on what they they can and cant do. In the end the longer you try to protect them the more curious they are to try it.

[Pirate Balloon]

Sorry, this may go slightly off topic now, but you're pretty much the first parent that I have met that allows his underage kids to play 18 rated games.Are you kidding me? I am underage and i play 18's all the time, when i was under 15's my parents allowed me to play 15's. EVERYONE i know plays GTA or MGS or whatever. Ask my parents, ask anyones parents and they'll most proberbly say they let thier kids, or buy them the games to play. It's not about being a bad or irresponsible parent, it's abotu being realistic.

Jesus Christ on a bycicle, you actually have the nerve to call these bad parents? A lazy babysitter? *slaps you in the face* get a grip, seriously. My parents let my 14 year old brother play a 18 game (predator) and havent "warned" him, shoudl he be taken away by social services? I'm sorry but i really am offended by you preaching about bad parenting fro m your ****ing high horse.

When i was 13 or whatever i played MGS1 and broke a guys neck, and that game was pretty graphic at the time, am i gonna sit down with my parents and talk to them about this distrubing scene i saw?

Sometimes, my brother, and i used to, play games lie kthis all day because there isnt much else to do, is this my parents fault when i end up shooting up a school? No. People do this becasasue there is something wrong with them fro mthe start, and the violent games only act as a catalyst.

So please, get off your goddamn high horse and dont preach about bad parenting.

Instead of simply deleting, editing this post, or banning me, i'd like to see you reply to this.

[kHz Glitch]

when i was little, i used to play mario, etc untill i was about 7 or 8 and then a babysitter brought over mgs and gta and i've been plaing games like that eversense, i wanted to get gta the next day but my mom wouldn't let me and i didn't get why i get it now but i know the difference between real life and video games so i guss it really dosent matter

[Duke87]

People do this becasasue there is something wrong with them fro mthe start, and the violent games only act as a catalyst.

Surely if the parents actually interact with their child instead of sitting them in front of the playstation they would notice that there's something wrong. Even if the video games are just a catalyst, surely removing them would still be a good thing.

[Spindryer]

Instead of simply deleting, editing this post, or banning me, i'd like to see you reply to this.


Who are you talking too?

[xx pr0totype xx]

the law is messed up, cus im 16 and i went to last xl, i have GoW at home but when i went to XL i wernt alowd to play it but i could watch isnt it the same difference, i mean watchin someone play the game is the same as playing it.

[ScK ReVeNgE]

Watching isn't the same as playing it, otherwise you would have been happy just watching

[xx pr0totype xx]

the point im making is that you see the same things when watching as you do when you as your playing

also if the law is so worried how come when COD3(call of duty 3) come out you were able to play it on the 360 consoles in shops, i mean i saw a little kid half the size of me playing it and that game has age restriction 15

[Azure]

Its quite different actually in terms of how you perceive things. But at the age of 16 I would let any of my kids play 18s, i'd probably let 15s be played by 12-13 depending on game and the child, and 18 games at 14-15 depending on the game and child.

Gears for me would be a no no until someone is at least 15, the game rewards all the wrong things for someone who is still developing into an autonomous person. Whereas I would let someone younger play GTA for example.

Of course the catch here is that I do not have kids, and so for me to suggest all this would mean I have to wait at least 16 odd years for this to happen, I do not think as a parent I would be worrying about gears of war the way things are going in 16 years lol.

[ScK ReVeNgE]

the point im making is that you see the same things when watching as you do when you as your playing

also if the law is so worried how come when COD3(call of duty 3) come out you were able to play it on the 360 consoles in shops, i mean i saw a little kid half the size of me playing it and that game has age restriction 15

I know what you meant its just the way you wrote made it seem a bit silly :p

And what age is Halo 2 for? because I don't have a copy with me at the minute, is it not age 15 or 16? if so why didn't someone do something about lil poison or others playing it?or should there not be a feedback option 'underage' which would get people under the age banned that would be quite funny :D

Just remembered I was under the age when I started playing it. lol

[xx pr0totype xx]

i think its not a BBFC certificate or w.e the abbrievation is, it hink the uk only abide by this certificate wereas the otherones are like 15+ or something on there which is not really an age restriction, at least i think

[ScK ReVeNgE]

Should children be allowed to play Mario then if you go around jumping on people's heads to kill them?

[KONSPIRACY]

Halo2 carries a PEGI 16+ certificate which is not legally enforceable in the UK and we did gain permission from the correct authorities for it to be played at XL. The same authorities allowed us to have GoW on view to minors with extreme content off...as such anyone wanting to play GoW at XL had to be ID checked.

[Azure]

Yeah seriously everyone stop with the "What age is halo 2?" It isn't aged.

[jodahunter]

I played resident evil at the tender age of 7. Did I get nightmares from it? nooo. Did i want to go out and shoot anybody? noooooo. Was my behaviour in anyway affected by it in the slightest? NOOO!

At first my mum restricted my playing of it just so that i spent more time outside playing footie etc. She also observed any behaviour changes since me playing the game and then decided that it was fine for me to play these games.

I see some kids that i babysit that they are fine to play these games and others i judge shouldn't be able to play them as i think they will be influenced by it.

[KONSPIRACY]

At worst I can see games giving kids nightmare...ie Silent Hill, FEAR, etc; n anyone who kills someone n blames a game is completely mentally derranged in the first place. Its the same as when they blame mass murder on heavy metal or hip hop...completely unfounded n irrational.

TBH when I used to play Halo2 for hours on end, I did end up havin some quite vivid dreams about the game! lmao :D

[Wicked_Slim_Shady]

At worst I can see games giving kids nightmare...ie Silent Hill, FEAR, etc; n anyone who kills someone n blames a game is completely mentally derranged in the first place. Its the same as when they blame mass murder on heavy metal or hip hop...completely unfounded n irrational.

TBH when I used to play Halo2 for hours on end, I did end up havin some quite vivid dreams about the game! lmao :D

I havent let my kids play Resi or Silent Hill until recently, after Id clocked them and deemed they wernt too bad, but I dont let them play them for long periods of time.

But I know what u mean about having vivid dreams after playing a certain game for a long period of time.

Ever since I have had GOW, I keep waking up thinking there's a wretch lurking around my bedroom.

Weird Huh? LOL

[carocat]

Are you kidding me? I am underage and i play 18's all the time, when i was under 15's my parents allowed me to play 15's. EVERYONE i know plays GTA or MGS or whatever. Ask my parents, ask anyones parents and they'll most proberbly say they let thier kids, or buy them the games to play. It's not about being a bad or irresponsible parent, it's abotu being realistic.

Jesus Christ on a bycicle, you actually have the nerve to call these bad parents? A lazy babysitter? *slaps you in the face* get a grip, seriously. My parents let my 14 year old brother play a 18 game (predator) and havent "warned" him, shoudl he be taken away by social services? I'm sorry but i really am offended by you preaching about bad parenting fro m your ****ing high horse.

When i was 13 or whatever i played MGS1 and broke a guys neck, and that game was pretty graphic at the time, am i gonna sit down with my parents and talk to them about this distrubing scene i saw?

Sometimes, my brother, and i used to, play games lie kthis all day because there isnt much else to do, is this my parents fault when i end up shooting up a school? No. People do this becasasue there is something wrong with them fro mthe start, and the violent games only act as a catalyst.

So please, get off your goddamn high horse and dont preach about bad parenting.

Instead of simply deleting, editing this post, or banning me, i'd like to see you reply to this.
Fair play, that bit of my post was rather vague. I don't have a problem with 15 year olds playing GTA, but playing GoW at the age of 10 seems a bit over the top.

A kid playing GoW will see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhXFsLMyWg) everytime it plays the game. Do you think that is appropriate at 10 years old?

Oh, and do refrain from personal remarks against me.

[Sadistik Techa]

lol wow people

if some people choose to let there kids play a entertaining harmless game then let them

**** i used to play duke nukem and i was like 7

and i also know of a GoW Team in america who have a dad and son combo and the son is a mere 6 years old and see's chainsawing as an entertaining aspect of the game he dont think he is really doing it

[BIG D 04]

Personally I think all Games should carry BBFC Ratings that Legally Enforceable, whether your Parents don't have a problem that's there choice but the State should do what it can and retailers to stop underage kids playing Violent Games.

As far as I know your also meant to be over 18 to play on Xbox Live, anyway, I don't see the point in this it's not like it can be changed on XL's part. They don't give the game's ratings and they aren't going to allow themselves to get in trouble so some 12 year old can play Gears.

[KninjA]

If I had kids, I'd discourage them from playing video games as much as possible, especially unsuitable games. Your not doing them any favours by letting them sit in by themselves playing some piece of crap like GTA. If I could take back all the time I've lost playing video games over the years, I'd have it in a second. They're a complete waste of tme that should be spent going out or being with friends...in my case, I should have spent it focussing more on school work. I'd think games can also be factor in a child becoming introverted, when played in a non-casual way.

To the guy who says he wants his children to play unsuitable games, how about you encourage other life skills rather than how to chainsaw someone in half when you still believe in Santa.

Also, "pirate balloon", your ridiculously illconceived argument doesnt really deserve a response.

[DayC]

Also, "pirate balloon", your ridiculously illconceived argument doesnt really deserve a response.

How was it illconcieved?

[Retro]

In the end we all grow up and we all have to deal with what we were protected from when we were young. Being it playing games, DVD's,music, murder, ****, bullying, drugs, sex. Exposing them when they are young should surely raise there awareness.

[Spindryer]

*Grabs soap box*

"IF" i had a son i would be more worried about him using XBL rather than the game its self. At the moment the games themselves don’t really worry me to level i would ban my 10 year old playing them (hypothetically if i had a 10 year old son). What i do believe in is parents deciding if the children shouldn’t play a game. It is not my right to preach to the world what a 10-year can or can't do, every kid is different and some 10 year olds could handle a game like GOW and on the other hand some couldn’t even at 18. That’s why i believe leaving it up to his or her parents to decide as each kid is different.


As i said before i would be 100x more worried about XBL its self than the game, There’s too many retards and t**s who use XBL and at young ages kids copy what they hear. That would worry me a lot more and it should worry any parent a lot more than a ****ing game.

[KONSPIRACY]

Very good point there James.

edit: I believe thats one of the reasons why M$ introduced the Gamer Zone for profiles (ie recreation, pro, family underground) so minors wouldnt be subject to abuse or offensive language. Obviously it doesnt work all the time but it must help to some degree.

[Dark]

Watching isn't the same as playing it, otherwise you would have been happy just watching

how come you can have sex when your 16 in this country but you have to be 18 to watch it.

the government must think watching is worse then playing for some reason.

[gradinator]

Some day's I feel like taking a giant ceramic c*** and smashing it on the heads of these BBFC people.

But no violent things have never influenced my view of society in any way.

Except when I was 7 I used to play James Bond with my mates, sticking nettles up each others noses, pretending our fingers were guns, should I be institutionalised? or was it merely harmless entertainment?

[quickshot89]

the law is messed up, cus im 16 and i went to last xl, i have GoW at home but when i went to XL i wernt allowed to play it but i could watch isnt it the same difference, i mean watching someone play the game is the same as playing it.

no the law is not messed up, the fact is if you are not 18, and want to play an 18 year old game at a public event, the law says you cannot, its like going to watch an 18 yr movie, when you are 16

it aint gonna happen anytime soon, so everyone stop complaining, if you want to play gears on lan, make your own lan party

[Azure]

Go Quickshot.

You wouldn't act surprised if you were refused entry to a bar...

[KONSPIRACY]

how come you can have sex when your 16 in this country but you have to be 18 to watch it.

the government must think watching is worse then playing for some reason.
LMFAO So true...so true! :D

[BIG D 04]

how come you can have sex when your 16 in this country but you have to be 18 to watch it.

the government must think watching is worse then playing for some reason.

I agree never quite understood that part of the law :confused:

[quickshot89]

Go Quickshot.

You wouldn't act surprised if you were refused entry to a bar...

thank you azure, i think this may be a time where we agree

really thou, 18 means you must be 18

16 means you must be 16 (halo2 is a 15 i do believe in the uk, or M for mature)

stop complaining, the law is there for a reason

edit: @ bid D n dark

its 18 to watch in public, or buy, you can watch porn at any age, you just cant buy or rent until you are 18, due to the LAW that was put in place ages ago, yes, it should really change, and i do remember the government thinking about changing the law a while ago, but things are there for a reason

[Dannyooo]

my dad was unsure about buying me bloody GoW and im 16 uve got to admit thats abit of a joke but then i just asked my mum. ;)

[UK Vamp]

I think that age restrictions are there for a reason.

[Dirty Bernard]

Some interesting poits had by all there i think.

i believe that some aspects of gaming do linger in your subconcious and could cause poeple to turn. dnt get me wrong im not on about everyone just the few that perhaps have some strange thoughts and feelings that are just waiting for something to trigger it off. it could be a film a game a book or just something that they have heard or seen. so i think that blaming games alone is not right i mean if you compare the level of incidents in comparison to the amount of people that own games consoles it is so minute it would not even register. Bullying at school is the highest related incident for these mindless killings etc. it makes me laugh. THEY SHOULD BAN RELIGON RATHER THAN GAMES BECAUSE THAT IS THE CAUSE OF MOST DEATH.
IRONIC DONT YOU THINK?

[Bonzo]

THEY SHOULD BAN RELIGON RATHER THAN GAMES BECAUSE THAT IS THE CAUSE OF MOST DEATH.

A men to that.

IMO I think that the government should be concentrating more of their time on other issues which matter a hell of a lot more than little kiddies playing GOW but if it's the law it's the law.:cool:

[Pirate Balloon]

I seriously think they have to get thier piroties sorted, and i'm sure the tax payers want their money spent on like, catching murderers and improving national healthcare, rather than using the money trying to enforce age restrictions on petty things.

[nS iNsAnE]

COuld you not just introduce parental consent forms for people under 18 and over 16?

i'm 19 but a 2 people in my clan who would be coming are 16 and 17.

[Tugsy]

It doesn't work like that I'm afraid Insane. Because of the licensing laws in the UK are so strict we have to adhere them, this being the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) ruling on Gears.

If it was a simple as a parental consent form we would have done that already. By running tournaments we are classed as suppliers, so by supplying the game we are directly responsible for who is playing these games, if you are under the age of 18 then you are not eligible to play these games at our tournaments because we are liable to be prosecuted.

It's all well and good that you have these games at home. I personally think these laws are ridiculous as a substantial amount of the Gears of War players I have met in the UK are under 18. These laws don't stop minors getting the game and I see them more of a guideline for parents who are concerned.

But at the end of the day we have to obey these laws, but you can be assure we are actively working to find a way to ensure that all our competitors can compete no matter what age they are.

[nS iNsAnE]

i'd say more than half GoW players are under 18 it's bull **** don't matter we will have to look for replacements :(

[Tugsy]

Well like I say we are working to hopefully being able to allow under 18 compete in our Gears of War lan tournaments. We will of course keep you all updated,

[Retro]

What about bringing there own copies of Gears?

[Tugsy]

Sorry, how would that work?

[Retro]

I dunno, but if you brought your own copy of gears to play on your 360, surley you are not supplying the game for them to play on anymore......

[Bonzo]

I dunno, but if you brought your own copy of gears to play on your 360, surley you are not supplying the game for them to play on anymore......
But they would still be supplying them with a place to play it "XL". Doesn't that still make it against the law?

[Tugsy]

You would still be playing an 18 rated game in a tournament run by us. Regardless of who supplied the copy of the game.

[Retro]

Ok,Ok, i thought it was only illegal to sell or supply the game.

[KONSPIRACY]

By definition we would still be classed as supplying the game to anyone who doesnt bring their own copy n the only way around that would be to have GoW played in a closed area.

As tugs has pointed out, we are actively seeking ways around this but as it stands, no one under the age of 18 can play GoW at XL. On a side note, another LAN event appears to be covering this with parental consent forms but that is not legally enforceable in the UK, and as far as I'm aware they are leaving themselves open to prosecution if they do allow under 18s to play.

[DeathGod]

sly one kon

[KONSPIRACY]

Its my business to know these things...as much as I would love to allow all age groups to play, I'm not prepared to go to jail and be prosecuted for the sake of a minor playing a video game.

[StompingFreak]

Its my business to know these things...as much as I would love to allow all age groups to play, I'm not prepared to go to jail and be prosecuted for the sake of a minor playing a video game.

It would make a good campain(if you dont mind doing the time) to get those in power to realise games are for everyone, and the fact it doesn't turn children into mass killers or rappists...I only get the urge to chainsaw someone once a week now...lol

I have grow up on a diet of gore movies, blood lust games and i think i have turn into a well rounded (not fat) person.

But i agree that for XL events and to keep sponsorship deals, you have to keep to the letter of the law. Its a shame those in power an't more gen'ed up on whats happened to culture since the end of the war...(ww2 not the falklands or gulf).

2p worth added!!

Stompingfreak

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah I would probably go down in gaming folk lore history by going to prison n removing age restrictions...but hey, I like my freedom n I will become much more famous in much more pleasant circumstances! lol :D

[StompingFreak]

Like Bravehart but with a joypad..lol

StompingFreak

[Pirate Balloon]

If it says 18 on the box and they let it slide for competitions it'd be undermining the Governments law wouldnt it? If they see it fit for an 18 or whatever, there is no reason why they would let any exceptions.

[StompingFreak]

If it says 18 on the box and they let it slide for competitions it'd be undermining the Governments law wouldnt it? If they see it fit for an 18 or whatever, there is no reason why they would let any exceptions.


I think thats what i said, kind of....

"For The Greater Good!!"

StompingFreak

[KONSPIRACY]

If XL takes place at the NEC then the good news is that if the age restrictions are enforced (which they most likely are and I'm still in ongoing discussions with trading standards) as last time then we have the option to utilise the 2 backrooms for GoW which would mean full settings and explicit content can be used! :D

So my question to you guys is...would you prefer GoW to be played behind closed doors with full settings, or with in the open with explicit content turned off so under 18s cant view or play the game?

[StompingFreak]

I love the gore. But it would be ashame to have a game locked away so noone could view the tornee.

As you said already, if the child isnt playing the game, just watching it, isnt it up to the parent/guaridian to stop them watching such images. in a public place it falls to them to take responsibility for what they allow thier child to see.

So at a event as long as its posted up somewhere, that there will be images of gore, its then up to parent/guaridian to deal with.

My 2p's worth

StompingFreak

[KONSPIRACY]

As I have previously mentioned, parental consent forms dont count for **** in the UK as I/you would still in breach of BBFC licensing laws and regulations (ie liable to prosecution and prison) basically because you would be classed as "supplying" to under 18s.

The NEC is covered by Solihull trading standards and having discussed the situation with them, XL was given permission to have GoW viewed by under 18s with explicit content off, but they were still not allowed to play and we had to ID all players.

[StompingFreak]

If explicit content is turn off we still get to play the game. it should'nt make any diff to players. So no blood on screen makes seeing next target easyer. With my avaitar(my face) do you think i carry id at my age..lol I bring my pension book..lol

StompingFreak

[KONSPIRACY]

lmao :D

Yeah obviously a little bit of common sense is used when asking for ID at XL...it only effects under 18s with or without explicit content on.

[laggy15]

TSG E5 allowed gears of war to be played by 16 and over aslong as extreme content was off (which is should be as it ruins the game on LAN with all the blood on the screen and not being able to see) and with a consent form and ID. So if you had gears of war in the open with content turned off can 16-18 year old people play and view gears of war at XL ??

[KONSPIRACY]

I actually believe they allowed 15 year olds to play at the recent event. I can assure you that I am in contact with the correct authorities to ensure the same considerations apply to XL. I cant guarantee this yet, so I will keep you all informed of any progress :cool:

[laggy15]

Good luck mate

[KONSPIRACY]

Cheers laggy...should have some news for you all next week ;)

[Adamack]

I got to play gears at XL 1 and I was 15 sly one in there! lol G/l with all this age restrictions BS

[KONSPIRACY]

Hopefully have it sorted in the next few days Adamack :cool: