Top 2 or 4?

[KONSPIRACY]

Due to the high standard n close standings of the group stages at the moment, would you like to see the top 4 progress to the knockout stage or leave it as the top 2?

Obviously this will require an extra round of games in the knockout stage, but would reward all those that have played there games n narrowly missed qualification.

Have your say n vote in the poll :cool:

EDIT: PLEASE NOTE THE RESULT OF THIS POLL DOES NOT MEAN THE CURRENT TOURNAMENT WILL BE CHANGED...BUT IT MAY DETERMINE RULES FOR FUTURE COMPETITIONS.

[Xg Corkin]

Obviously im voting 2 because im nearly through :p But imo i wouldn't mind if it was four, means i get to play more rounds. :D

[TURTLE ZED]

I would vote for yes, the top four to go through. It would let the players who are good enough to progress but may lose out of something as silly as goal difference. And as stated, it would involve another tense fixture.

[Renegade]

I'm still undecided. In real football it's a case of 'tough luck' if they get narrowly knocked out, and it sort of devalues the efforts made by anyone currently top or second in their groups. I mean, I know I had to work damn hard for at least two of my results, and earned my points. It's a bit crap to think that someone could play awfully, get fourth spot with one point (which could very well be the case in certain groups) and still be givem just as much chance to win.

On the flip side, Turtle is right in that he played extremely well and I'm willing to admit I was lucky to win and not concede against him. I am willing to admit if it was my choice on who deserves to go through, Turtle would be one of them. Good players might get knocked out by a lucky win from another player, and it hurts. But them's the breaks - in my opinion, me and NeoKubrick are 1st and 2nd deservedly.

The other thing adding weight to the argument of four players is that fact that three of my friends are in other groups, and all in the top four. I would say that all three are great players, and I have been at the hands of defeat to all of them at some point - they have just got unlucky with their draws and results so far, but it would be nice to all progress to the knockout stages.

All players outside the top two are going to vote for the top four to go through. This means that in each group, there are 6 players voting for top 4, and 2 voting for top 2 (usually). I know what the result is going to be already. Bring it on.

This decision sucks!

[Xg Corkin]

Yeah the top two players is the group will most likely vote for only the top 2 to go thrpugh and if your below that then you'll vote the top 4, pretty stpid pole because the result will obviously be 4.

[KONSPIRACY]

lmao :D

Your right in real football only the top 2 would progress...hence the current rules, but this isnt real football n we can do what the hell we like!

editL: ...& yes, it is a silly poll. Should have known better than to ask for your opinions again! lmao :D

[TURTLE ZED]

I'm still undecided. In real football it's a case of 'tough luck' if they get narrowly knocked out, and it sort of devalues the efforts made by anyone currently top or second in their groups. I mean, I know I had to work damn hard for at least two of my results, and earned my points. It's a bit crap to think that someone could play awfully, get fourth spot with one point (which could very well be the case in certain groups) and still be givem just as much chance to win.

On the flip side, Turtle is right in that he played extremely well and I'm willing to admit I was lucky to win and not concede against him. I am willing to admit if it was my choice on who deserves to go through, Turtle would be one of them. Good players might get knocked out by a lucky win from another player, and it hurts. But them's the breaks - in my opinion, me and NeoKubrick are 1st and 2nd deservedly.

The other thing adding weight to the argument of four players is that fact that three of my friends are in other groups, and all in the top four. I would say that all three are great players, and I have been at the hands of defeat to all of them at some point - they have just got unlucky with their draws and results so far, but it would be nice to all progress to the knockout stages.

All players outside the top two are going to vote for the top four to go through. This means that in each group, there are 6 players voting for top 4, and 2 voting for top 2 (usually). I know what the result is going to be already. Bring it on.

This decision sucks!


Does this mean you voted for no then? Ooooh, if the result goes up for the top four, then I hope I get drawn you, I

[Renegade]

Turtle - I havn't voted yet I'm still thinking about it. The result is a foregone conclusion anyway due to the reasons already stated. It's always been seen as top two, it's just annoying for those at the top to be told 'never mind, that guy you beat in a tough game to clinch second spot is going through anyway'. If you catch my drift.

If the question had been asked before hand, again a different result may have been found.

Like I said, I'm yet to decide. Konspiracy - what's the deadline for the whole tournament A) With top 2 going through and B) With top 4 going through?

[Xg Corkin]

lmao

Your right in real football only the top 2 would progress...hence the current rules, but this isnt real football n we can do what the hell we like!

editL: ...& yes, it is a silly poll. Should have known better than to ask for your opinions again! lmao

Will it isnt that stupid because if the votes are totally one sided then i would be happy enough to let 4 through, doesnt really bother me because i entered it for a bit of fun, its really only the people who really, really want to win it will care. ;)

[TURTLE ZED]

Turtle - I havn't voted yet I'm still thinking about it. The result is a foregone conclusion anyway due to the reasons already stated. It's always been seen as top two, it's just annoying for those at the top to be told 'never mind, that guy you beat in a tough game to clinch second spot is going through anyway'. If you catch my drift.

If the question had been asked before hand, again a different result may have been found.

Like I said, I'm yet to decide. Konspiracy - what's the deadline for the whole tournament A) With top 2 going through and B) With top 4 going through?


Ha ha, I can tell your worried about the prospect of facing me again!! I hope the vote does go for four obviously, but if it doesnt, then as you say, I didnt do enough on match day. I am obviously very biassed!!!

Let the vote commence - all very exciting!!

[KONSPIRACY]

PLEASE NOTE THE RESULT OF THIS POLL DOES NOT MEAN THE CURRENT TOURNAMENT WILL BE CHANGED...BUT IT MAY DETERMINE RULES FOR FUTURE COMPETITIONS. :cool:

[Renegade]

Ha ha, I can tell your worried about the prospect of facing me again!! I hope the vote does go for four obviously, but if it doesnt, then as you say, I didnt do enough on match day. I am obviously very biassed!!!

Let the vote commence - all very exciting!!

I've got no problem playing you again - it wouldn't be in the very next round anyway as far as I know, meaning we would both have more games to win.

If it's top 4 to go through, I'm already mathematically through despite what Konspiracy says - simply because the only other players that can reach 15 or more points are Turtle Zed, Kubrick, BiG Fellis and Stelljes.

With Stelljes still to play all other players, for him to get 15 points would mean winning 5 games, meaning at least two out of RenegadeDS, Turtle Zed, Kubrick and Fellis would lose to him.

Not only this, but for Fellis to get 15 points he needs to win every game (which would actually put him on 16 but still he needs to win them all as a draw won't be enough). Consider that one of these games is Stelljes, one is RenegadeDS, and one is NeoKubrick, all of which he needs to win.

Next, for Turtle to get 15 he needs to win his last game, against Stelljes. This means that for Turtle and Fellis to get 15 or more, they both need to beat Stelljes, leaving Stelljes no option but to win the other 5 games to finish with 15 points. Again, as one of these remaining games is against NeoKubrick and NeoKubrick would have had to lose against Fellis to give Fellis 15 or more points, it would leave Kubrick on 12 points, still short of my 15. If Kubrick beat Stelljes, Stelljes could then only get 12 points.

It's not possible for more than 4 of the players to get 15 or more points, including myself already with 15. Only three other players can mathematically hit 15 or more points, which would put me through 4th in worst case scenario.

[TURTLE ZED]

I've got no problem playing you again - it wouldn't be in the very next round anyway as far as I know, meaning we would both have more games to win.

If it's top 4 to go through, I'm already mathematically through despite what Konspiracy says - simply because the only other players that can reach 15 or more points are Turtle Zed, Kubrick, BiG Fellis and Stelljes.

With Stelljes still to play all other players, for him to get 15 points would mean winning 5 games, meaning at least two out of RenegadeDS, Turtle Zed, Kubrick and Fellis would lose to him.

Not only this, but for Fellis to get 15 points he needs to win every game (which would actually put him on 16 but still he needs to win them all as a draw won't be enough). Consider that one of these games is Stelljes, one is RenegadeDS, and one is NeoKubrick, all of which he needs to win.

Next, for Turtle to get 15 he needs to win his last game, against Stelljes. This means that for Turtle and Fellis to get 15 or more, they both need to beat Stelljes, leaving Stelljes no option but to win the other 5 games to finish with 15 points. Again, as one of these remaining games is against NeoKubrick and NeoKubrick would have had to lose against Fellis to give Fellis 15 or more points, it would leave Kubrick on 12 points, still short of my 15. If Kubrick beat Stelljes, Stelljes could then only get 12 points.

It's not possible for more than 4 of the players to get 15 or more points, including myself already with 15. Only three other players can mathematically hit 15 or more points, which would put me through 4th in worst case scenario.

Of course, this could all be settled sooner - 16 points would practically guarantee me at least top two as far as I'm aware (this has warped my brain already). Another win would 100% seal top two.

If it's top 2, I realistically need a point. If it's top 4, I'm already through.


I feel sick after reading that, postively quite wobbly on my legs. I can

[Renegade]

Haha, it's all a bit of fun, I just have a lot of spare time while I'm at work so I do this sort of thing!

Remember - I'm a Crewe fan, so that 'slim hope of survival/promotion' is what I've been holding on to for the last ten years!

[TURTLE ZED]

Haha, it's all a bit of fun, I just have a lot of spare time while I'm at work so I do this sort of thing!

Remember - I'm a Crewe fan, so that 'slim hope of survival/promotion' is what I've been holding on to for the last ten years!


If your honestly a Crewe fan, I can understand now why you desperatly want to see some success in here! Cause your hardly likey to see any success with Crewe are yer! :D

Well its looking like the vote is for future tournies now and not this one, so early bath for TURTLE I think. :(

Oh well, I had fun and gave it my best shot. Shame though cause I really thought I’d played well, just got unlucky. I’m currently topping two leagues I’m in with different teams, so its been a successful season for me, and I had high hopes for this tourny, but it‘s looking doubtful for me now, splish splish.

As they say, dry your eyes mate!

[Renegade]

You never know. I have a sneaky suspicion Konspiracy will up this tournament to four players, and probably only suggested the 'future tournaments' thing to keep interest alive in players trying to get top two at the moment. Then, when the groups are all sorted, it will be announced that top four go through as he knows full well that the vote here is due to this tournament and what people want. Win your match, that's all I'm gonna say ;)

[TURTLE ZED]

I’ll lose now you’ve said that, it always jinx-es me.

By the way, talking of my next match, whats the deal with this Ravon guy or whatever his name is. For starters his gamertag is totally different to his name on here which at first was really confusing, but also he’s not listing anytimes or anything. I’ve asked him to confirm 6pm today, yet nothing. I left him 4 voice messages the other day because he was playing Top Spin, and he came back with, please arrange game on the forum with me instead of through voice messages. I thought cheek of it, I would arrange through the forum if you’d bloody well show up.

Oh well benefit of the doubt for the moment, but I hope as he’s left the playing time shorter now to play his matches even though he’s been on live, that he will meet our playing times now instead of us meeting his, especially as we’ve been the most active. Maybe he’s waiting right to end to see what he’s got to score to go through - seen it done before.

[TURTLE ZED]

Just seen the poll, check it out, its going to be landslide. Maybe people pressure can save me from an early tournament exit!

[Renegade]

Yeah, I hope it's not a case of watching to see exactly what he needs to do. I've also sent him multiple game invites when he was online, and had nothing back. The problem now is that if he is removed and no player is found to replace him and play 7 matches in a week, every player gets a win for that fixture (or no result at all). Which would be great for me but terrible for yourself and Fellis - it would put me and Kubrick through straight away.

It's a bit dodgy - Kon said last week that inactive players would be removed, so I don't know what's going to happen with Stelljes and wether a replacement can be found.

[Renegade]

Just seen the poll, check it out, its going to be landslide. Maybe people pressure can save me from an early tournament exit!

Told ya - everyone outside the top two in each group is going to vote for a top four qualification.

[TURTLE ZED]

He said he’d be on tonight from 5pm. But I’m not home by then. So I’ve posted 6pm, please confirm, and no reply yet. Its like you confirm times between player’s not just say when your on so fit in with my plans.

And like you said, nothing more frustrating than leaving voice messages to fellow competitors, who don’t even have the common courtesy to get back to you. And then saying he’s been too busy to play - urr yeah, too busy frickin playing other games apart from PES.

Its very strange. OH well, we’ll see what happens tonight.

[IcemanLeigh]

I think what alot of people here are missing, when mentioning real football, is that usually champions league groups only have 4 players and the two gonig through make up 50% of the group. Uping the group to four players going through would match that 50%. Before anyone says anything, or even checks, i am currently top 2, and although not comfirmed through yet, i am quilty confident that if i play my game then i should go through. If the remaining players in our group ever play that is.

In our group, group C, we do seem to have 4 (or at least 3) very simalarly matched players, who, when only put against each other once can have pretty random, and not necessarily representative results.

Along with most other people, i am happy for it to happen either way. Personally i would suggest keeping it as 2 people for this tournament and then maybe upping it to 4 for the next tounrment, when and if we decide to do one. But i really wouldnt mind it being 4 people go through. It gives everyone more of a chance and only makes the competition one round longer.

I also have not voted..

[Renegade]

Same I guess. Go for it, make it four.

[Gaskin]

I would prefer two but of course we're going to go with what the community wants. I've played five games and won all five so I'm not particularly worried about not getting top two especially as my group has only had five games, all being mine atm. All four people going through means that there's more chance of getting a bad/not brilliant player in the next rounds. Either way, I'm looking forward to it and it will be good to see the top 4 players on this site when we get to the semi's.

I hope to see you in the latter stages Renegade ;)

[Renegade]

I would prefer two but of course we're going to go with what the community wants. I've played five games and won all five so I'm not particularly worried about not getting top two especially as my group has only had five games, all being mine atm. All four people going through means that there's more chance of getting a bad/not brilliant player in the next rounds. Either way, I'm looking forward to it and it will be good to see the top 4 players on this site when we get to the semi's.

I hope to see you in the latter stages Renegade ;)

I'll do what I can fella!