XL: Unreal Tournament III Duel Added to Line-up

[KONSPIRACY]

MatchBox360 are pleased to confirm that further to popular demand, Unreal Tournament III has been added to the official XL line-up with a Duel tournament taking place on Sunday 27th July.

Upto 64 players will go head to head in the latest FPS title to hit the Xbox 360 console. UT3 Duel tournament entry fees are now available in the MatchBox360 XL Ticket Office (http://tickets.matchbox360.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=54).

Dont forget, MatchBox360 will be testing the game in full during the 3 day XL weekend in anticipation of our online UT3 team tournaments once we've recovered from the 3 day XL weekend! Your feedback and support from the community will help determine whether Unreal Tournament III will be added to the official XL tournament line-up at future events.

Obviously this is a new title to reach the Xbox 360, so if you would like to have your input on the rules for the XL UT3 Duel please post in the discussion for the online tournament here (http://community.matchbox360.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6968).

Are you ready to XL?! :cool:

[Qore]

Rules are still oustanding?

I am refering to my post in the UT3 Freeplay Topic

Timelimit 15
Scorelimit 0

No AMP, No Redeemer, and the other Power ups beside Shieldbelt and the Vials.
No Vehicles (example: Darkwarker in DM-Heatray)

Mappool: DM-Deck, DM-Diesel, DM-HeatRay, DM-Sentinel, DM-ShangriLa

Groupstage: Single Elemination
Playoffs: Double Elemination

The other maps like, RisingSun, Biohazard, aso... are JUST fun maps, they are too easy too controll, + ist more spawn luck then skill (especially RisingSun and Biohazard). One important item is missing in those maps ShieldBelt, which is the No1 to controll in UT!

So my opinion has been said, and i think it would be the best solution for this tourney.

So long, Qore

[Boffy]

Rules are yet to come, we will be putting them up later this week. However, you can expect the same style rules that UT3 has throughout other gaming platforms. (15minute games, no vehicles, limited powerups)

Map list and rotation still to come.

[iG Shot2]

These are the best rules, and best map list... wheres kon!?

[KONSPIRACY]

I'm here busy arranging your tournaments!

I only got the game yesterday so please be patient.

[nS RicKz]

kon if all the tickets are sold out will more be made avaliable to purchase?

[iG Shot2]

I was only joking KON lol.. I posted it in the other thread for you anyway :)

[KONSPIRACY]

Cheers Shot! :p

@ rickz - do you mean admission or UT3 tournament entries? If you mean admissions then more will be made available if we need to.

[nS RicKz]

tournament entries mate.

[KONSPIRACY]

I think you posted this on H3F as well...so I'll give you the same reply:

This tournament will take place on the Sunday only so its unlikely the player limit will increase. Obviously we need to consider time, consoles available and number of players competing as well. Please purchase your tickets asap to guarantee your place.

Prize fund for this tournament will be 100% of tournament entry fees, so if 64 players enter then 1st place will receive £300! :cool:

[nS RicKz]

ok cheers mate. yh i did lol. i would enter but im having trouble finding a way to pay for my gears ticket and admission. so as soon as i find away i should be able tp purchase the ticket.

[Gaskin]

Chris I'm going out to purchase this now, so I can give you a hand with rules etc.

[PA1NKILL3R]

Only way to make an UT3 Duel tournament fair is to follow the example of CPL with Fear which means banning headphones. Otherwise its going to be just another tournament that comes down to who has the best sound just like COD4.

Obviously it isn't all about sound as you need the shot as well but sound whoring gives people a big advantage in Duel.

[BsE_Millo]

wow I havent played this since its release months ago on the PS3, But ill enter :P

[Boffy]

Only way to make an UT3 Duel tournament fair is to follow the example of CPL with Fear which means banning headphones. Otherwise its going to be just another tournament that comes down to who has the best sound just like COD4.

Obviously it isn't all about sound as you need the shot as well but sound whoring gives people a big advantage in Duel.

lol, although I can't confirm this - I doubt we will be banning the use of headphones. Sound is a part of the game and if you truely want to take UT seriously then I would suggest to get a headset prior to XL (or rent one).

We don't ban sounds in Gears, COD4 or Halo3 - so I doubt we'll ban them for this. I'll let Kon confirm this though.

[PA1NKILL3R]

lol, although I can't confirm this - I doubt we will be banning the use of headphones. Sound is a part of the game and if you truely want to take UT seriously then I would suggest to get a headset prior to XL (or rent one).

We don't ban sounds in Gears, COD4 or Halo3 - so I doubt we'll ban them for this. I'll let Kon confirm this though.

True but you also dont offer 1v1 tournaments in those games. Maybe you haven't experienced first hand the advantage sound can give in Duel but thats fine im only posting suggestions to make your tournament run to its full potential and at its fairest.

Have a mess round with it anyway. Turn down you music and ambiance and turn up your SFX. I personally have sound, I just think its a little harsh on the people who dont!

[iG Shot2]

Sorry PK but you dont know what your talking about I competed in CPL FEAR and there were no headphones because there was no need to fight over something like shield belt. In FEAR all there was, was the health packs and on some maps there were no health and because of the spawns one guy would not make it to the pack. So he camped, and used sound so that he could run away from a guy that was stacked up with health packs.

UT3 is a completely different game to FEAR. Sound should be allowed.

[KONSPIRACY]

I can confirm that we will not be banning headphones regardless of what games are played at XL. All players have the same opportunity to use headphones so it is naturally fair and balanced. Obviously the monitors have built in speakers but the sound quality is not the best, and as such we actively encourage players to use headphones.

At the end of the day, going into game without headphones is like playing football with no boots (this is even more so in an FFA or 1v1 where external sound is a distraction in itself). If players want to disadvantage themselves by not bringing headphones or hiring a pair from XL, then that is their choice as we will not be banning the use of headphones.

[leyton1990]

wow Rising Sun is an Amazing Map, nothing wrong with it. DONT TAKE THIS MAP OUT

[leyton1990]

Heatray is far to big. Defiance is a great map

[iG Shot2]

Is Rising Sun not the really small square shaped map with the wooden beam with health files on it? If so then its not a good 1v1 map, being small does not make a map good for 1v1. You need the shield belt for control and battles for it every time it spawns.

Thats why maps like Deck and Heatray are good for 1v1 because they have the belt, and it involves alot more tactics and smarts on maps like this. Hence why PC used deck, although now I think they will just be using penetrated, grit and newly created duel maps which the xbox version saldy doesn't have.

[SmartieZ]

Don't worry Sam they will be on 360 in a while.

[iG ExPoZe]

Haha, you can't even compare the sound on this game to that of Call of Duty 4.

[I R3dMaGiK X]

do not even think of using maps which do not have a belt on it

[Gaskin]

You can't take off the Amp and Redeemer without taking the belt off.

[qG Raidz]

Q0RE's Rules are the best they play on the PC with them so why we should not use them?!

[I R3dMaGiK X]

yes qore's rules do seem best but double elim all the way through

[Gaskin]

You can't have a belt and still remove the Amp and Redeemer though. At least not from what I can see anyway. If anybody knows different, please contact my self or Konspiracy.

[PA1NKILL3R]

Sorry PK but you dont know what your talking about I competed in CPL FEAR and there were no headphones because there was no need to fight over something like shield belt. In FEAR all there was, was the health packs and on some maps there were no health and because of the spawns one guy would not make it to the pack. So he camped, and used sound so that he could run away from a guy that was stacked up with health packs.

UT3 is a completely different game to FEAR. Sound should be allowed.

To be fair it was Dan who told me about the whole CPL Fear thing so im not really clued up on that. Its up to Kon and his team to decide whatever is best for there tournaments and they have made there choice but from what Ive seen so far on the 360 and from my 6 months of playing it on the PS3 people rely far too much on there sound in Duel.

Just don't be surprised to see a lot of people standing still listening for the enemy and then pre firing corridors and entrances!


Dont know if anybody knows this yet as Im a little behind with the news due to not being online for a few dyas but - I got this message earlier.

Chat Info:
How to talk w/Mic : Hold right directional button on the D-pad.
Glitch: Hold it down, take out mic, plug mic back in..You can talk without the d-pad.

Can anybody confirm that works?

[KONSPIRACY]

No AMP, No Redeemer, and the other Power ups beside Shieldbelt and the Vials.
You cant have Shieldbelt without having the other super pickups. Having a "gentlemans rule" to not pick up the others is unrealistic to enforce consistently and will cause problems. As such, its a simple case of having super pickups or not.


Groupstage: Single Elemination
Playoffs: Double Elemination

No such thing as single elimination in a group stage.


Q0RE's Rules are the best they play on the PC with them so why we should not use them?!
See above. They cant be done on the 360 version due to limited in game options.

[iG Shot2]

Its limited on PC too though, why can we not be gentlemen like them? Is the console scene really that different? I've not been to an XL but from what I hear it is, I think people need to have a better attitude towards it all, personally I dont mind if I lose fairly.

The best setting are with Shield belt, sadly you have to have other powerups on too, I dont see why this would be so hard to inforce? Are there no umpires at XL? At CPL we had umpires watching 2 games at a time, because sometimes it would say you got killed twice when you actually died only once, so they were there to deduct frags... obviously its different but it still took good sportsmanship.

[Lethal]

It's XL not CPL, but I understand exactly what you mean when it comes to not using certain power-ups and playing the games fairly, but to be honest there isn't enough referees to do that imo.

Has anyone considered using Koo's Barge or BioHazard? I thought they were reasonbly good maps to use even though they're quite small. Koo's Barge sort of reminds me of 1vs1 on H1 Derelict where top spawn is such a huge advantage so it's probably not best to use that map come to think of it. Biohazard will be a lot more faster paced s and there's a lot more out-witting. Heatray is just a joke, I don't understand how that map can be used for 1vs1, unless I haven't played the map enough to understand it's full exploits.

[iG Shot2]

Biohazard is gloop wars, hide with gloop gun because the other guy will have spawned next to rockets.

[Lethal]

I understand the whole gloop thing is a pain in the ass, but a good player will instantly predict and know that there opponent will have the Bio gun and/or will here them from a distance.

[iG Shot2]

Yeh I know, I can play it, its just not a great map.

Also, if we cant control people picking up the amp and stuff then I think everything will have to be on. A huge amount of duel is down to timing, and taking this away would really lower the tournaments skill level. However, then what do we do about Redeemer because there is no way that can be allowed and I dont think you can remove it can you?

Kon, I know its not decided how this tournament will work, however, whatever way it is run will we be needing to have seeds for it? As it may be hard to judge seeing as there havn't been many games to compare to this, and not exactly any duels on xbox except for FEAR CPL. FFA cant really be compared as its nothing like 1v1 its just fragging power.

If its double elim then I guess it wont matter as much, I'm sure you are taking this into account anyway, but thought I'd post it anyway as it may affect how long the tournament lasts if its double elim etc..

[12eaper]

Please leave Koo's B out, worst map ever. If you spawn at sniper side you win.

[Gaskin]

12eaper I played you last night or this morning. Heh. :D

You say it's all down to timing the powerups, but even when you remove the super powerups, you still have the armor powerups, which are key and would need timing. They'd play the same job as a belt would.

[12eaper]

12eaper I played you last night or this morning. Heh. :D

You say it's all down to timing the powerups, but even when you remove the super powerups, you still have the armor powerups, which are key and would need timing. They'd play the same job as a belt would.

You really played me? I have no idea what is your tag since i've only been playing true systemlink with my teammate. haha.

[Gaskin]

Gaskiin - lol.

Yeah I remember because I thought I saw you around the forum.

[KONSPIRACY]

@ Shot2 - unfortunately PC and console gamers are completely different. We tried to implement a dead silence rule in COD4 like the PC rules but it simply didnt work...expecting kids not to use banned pickups/weapons would be a nightmare tbh (ie a ref could easily miss it happenig or kids claim they didnt know it was banned). I understand the importance of the timings and shieldbelt, and we could obviously try to have gentleman rules but I know it would be unrealistic to enforce consistently.

This tournament obviously wont have seedings but it will be double elimination.

[x TREE]

I dont see any problems having a "gentlemans rule". like most maps u cant really accidently pick up the UDamage anyway.. for example sentinal its impossible 2 pick up same with diesel.

[Gaskin]

Diesel if you wanted to run bottom mid then you can't, as you can't avoid the Udamage. So you'd have to make bottom mid tunnel illegal.

[KONSPIRACY]

I've posted this in staff but unfortunately its been ignored so far. Could someone please PM me a list of maps which the following appear on including location and how many per map:

Damage Amp
Redeemer
Invisible Shieldbelt
Beserker
MegaHealth

Thanks in advance :cool:

[Qore]

No harsh feelings Konspiracy, well maybe i didnt explain this enough.

When i said, No AMP, No Redeemer and the the other powerup, i meant NOT picking them up, but still keep them in game. I know that its not possible to remove only Redeemer and AMP. Guys im playing UT since Unreal I, so dont think i dont know what i am talking about :P

And @Redmagic the single elemination at the groupstage and double at the playoff, was just a solution because Konspiracy was complaining about the 15 mins Timelimit.

And i thin shorting it to 10 mins would be a big mistake, because since ever, duel games are played in 15 mins, doesnt matter which game, and there is more time play your tactic especially if you are in the defending position.

[KONSPIRACY]

No worries Qore. I fully appreciate your feedback and input on this and agree your rule suggestions are the best...well they're exactly what we'd like to do anyways :cool:

Like I said, the only issue is players actually adhering to the "gentleman" rules and the issues that would occur if a ref misses it. Do you know off hand if theres any indication if a player picks up AMP or berserker? Obviously invisible is pretty easy to notice but do the other 2 have the player glowing purple or red when they pick it up?

Going to test in game options to see if redeemer can be deactivated in weapon modification.

Regarding schedule, 15 minutes games is possible depending on number of players competing but can only be best of 1 map double elimination at most. Your suggestion of group stage and playoffs actually takes longer than a DE bracket anyway. Still not sure what you mean by single elim groupstage tbh.

[TI Potential]

Kon quick question, this tournament is going to be played on Sunday right?

Will it be in the morning or afternoon?

[KONSPIRACY]

In order to get it finished on time it will need to be on all day mate...the more players the earlier start so make sure you're at the venue when the doors open as it could be starting as early as 10am if we have 64 players.

[TI Potential]

Another quick question is how many people playing at once?

The tournament is 1v1 right? so how many 1v1s will be played at once..

[KONSPIRACY]

There will be 24 consoles dedicated to UT3 on Sunday...so upto 12 games simultaneously. Obviously there could be players in Halo3 and PES2008 so we have to allow for delays in the schedule and get through the fixtures as quickly as possible.

No reason why we cant get some round1 fixtures out the way on Saturday evening if consoles and players are available though (unlikely tbh as we have Halo3, Gears and COD4 team tournaments ongoing throughout Saturday).

[TI Potential]

Yeah thankyou!

Sorry with the questions.. It was for my m8 :)

[Qore]

Forget it, just realized that the rules i was meant to talk about would be a bigger effort then the double elemination rule :>
my bad

and refering to the sound problem some earlier came up with, tbh, the UT3 respawn sound sucks, you dont hear the spawns clearly. You cant really rely on them, though, everyone that has been playing 1v1 games on PC, knows how important they are, so Epic did disappointed me abit in that way.
The item and weapons spawns are clear and loud.

I can also help you clearing the rules, gamesettings and other stuff. If you need my help just hit me up on XLB: Q0RE
This weekend i will be online, so if you need any help.

[x TREE]

Any update on final map choices?

[KONSPIRACY]

@ Qore - I'm rarely online in the run upto the event unless its something like 4am in the morning so hit me up on msn: konspiracyrecords@hotmail.com (I always appear offline).

@ Tree - no decision on maps yet but we will obviously feature the most suitable maps and will prob be one map stated per round with best of 3 from WB final onwards.

[leyton1990]

Kon how many confirmed players are there?

[KONSPIRACY]

Only 6 so far...but the game was only released last week and tickets went on sale a few days a go. I expect at least 32 to compete in this come Sunday 27th July.

[Lethal]

I'll be purchasing my UT ticket at some point next week. How is the seeding going to be done Chris? Or is it going to be random?

[Qore]

@Kon well there are some signs if someone picks up an AMP, the weapons glows purple and sounds different. Every weapon got that AMP power sound by every shot.
Its the same with nearly all the items, they have some kind of unique sound.

There could result some bad tactics out of this, i mean lets taken an example, Player A is in full mapcontrol, Player B takes the AMP intended to slow the flow of player A down, because for example if XL would pick up the rule that at the moment one of those 2 players takes the AMP, the time is stopped and played in addition.

But on the other hand, disqualification isnt the best setting either

[KONSPIRACY]

I'll be purchasing my UT ticket at some point next week. How is the seeding going to be done Chris? Or is it going to be random?

There will be no seeding for this tournament simply because we have no previous UT3 tournaments to seed from. As such, fixtures will be drawn at random into a double elimination bracket.

[Qore]

did the interest on the game die already? :P

[KONSPIRACY]

Not according to the 70 ppl who have registered for our online tournament :p