Villa fan killed after todays derby

[BlaqK]

For ****s sake its a game of football, no matter how important a match is its not worth taking a life.

RIP to the lad that died, Holtender in the sky.

http://www.birminghammail.net/2008/04/20/fatal-rta-after-villa-v-blues-match-97319-20792312/

Whoever did this i hope gets locked up in a cell full of Villa fans :mad:

/rant over

[Infidel]

Looks like they must have hit at high speed coz the front of the car is damaged quite badly.

Thing is the fact that he stopped either means it isnt murder, why would you run someone over and then stop? or that it is and he'll only get Death by Dangerous driving anyway, which is a maximum 7 year sentence i believe.

Also the article doesnt suggest that it was football motivated or even intentional, it could just be an accident. The only thing that suggests intent is that he's been arrested for murder but again, at most he'll be convicted for death by dangerous driving.

to add to that i further suspect that it wasnt intentional as the car is on the left hand side of the road and the damage is on the right(or left hand side of the car), suggesting that hes attempted to swerve out of the way across the other side of the road and still hit the guy with his left corner. if he's deliberately swerved to hit him then he wouldnt have stopped.

chances are this will come out as just another case of someone not paying attention when crossing the road, just expecting one of his mates to look for him and walking in front of traffic.

[BlaqK]

He was wearing colours (which after a derby isnt a good thing to be wearing) and was walking back home from the game, also the driver who has been arrested is a City fan.

[KONSPIRACY]

Rest in peace fellow Villa fan.

[IcemanLeigh]

Actually alot of articles and reports vary a huge amount so to beleive one is completely impossible. Let's hope for humanity sake that this was an accident. It really isn't worth speculation at this point though.

Newspapers are always going to report this one as a derby driven murder. That sells more and stirs controversy. What is more worthy of front page news? Accident kills Villa fan? or City fan kills Villa fan...?

Horrific story though whatever happened, such a shame. RIP

[Infidel]

He was wearing colours (which after a derby isnt a good thing to be wearing) and was walking back home from the game, also the driver who has been arrested is a City fan.

but thousands of other fans would be wearing colours, and there would have been thousands of city fans driving, an unfortunate coincidence i believe.

this is just another accident, though tragic, just because it happened after a football game doesnt make it any different from the hundreds of other RTA that happen every year. im not trying to sound like a ******* here as i do feel sorry for the guy and RIP, i just dont see what makes it different from the wider picture.

if there really was substantial truth to it being a football driven murder surely it would have been in the news (bbc?).

[DinnyHoon]

Bill Shankly's famous words (football isn't life and death, it's more important) ring hollow when things like this happen. RIP.

[Renegade]

Fans have a right to wear their team colours after any game - let's hope this was an accident and that the storm is being created by the media.

RIP.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Fans have a right to wear their team colours after any game

Agreed - and tbh I often find it safer to wear colours when visting away grounds.

[carocat]

Is there actually any evidence he was run over for being a fan? From what I read on BBC news last night it was just a traffic incident with no idication of more.

[IcemanLeigh]

There are varied reports Cat. I actually read some of the Aston Villa forums to try and gain a little bit more information on what happened, and it varies all the way from an arguement broke out then a car driving at speed into a crowd of fans, to it being a complete accident, to it actually being another aston villa fan not looking and was devastated so abandonded his car.

The reports all seem to be completely speculative at the moment so, no there is so far no evidence to suggest he was run over for being a fan, some reports (such as the sun) are just spinning it that way to make more of a story. The only indication of anything is that the guy was arrested on suspicion of murder, but even that is a long way from the suggestion of some reports.

[KONSPIRACY]

BBC news reported earlier that both ppl involved were Villa fans...but that may well be a smoke screen in itself.

[BlaqK]

To be fair the reporting on this incident has been utterly disgusting, why cant we just get the full story without the wild specualtion and scandalous accusations.

Its also been banded about that another Villa fan was stabbed aswell, but nothing certain has been reported :confused:

[Roadpog]

Well when you got supporters supposedly shouting things like. Brummy your going down and so on. What do you expect, There passionate about that game and that team there bound to get abit leary.It's a pity a life was lost but when you taunt people to a certain extent they're going to lash out.

[Spindryer]

I disagree, for anyone who has / does go to football games to watch your know that its part and parcel of being the support to have some banter with the other set of supports.

The sort of people that take their "passion" for the team to a personal level with being taunted are not "supporters" their thugs - end of.

[Tempus Volat]

Well when you got supporters supposedly shouting things like. Brummy your going down and so on. What do you expect, There passionate about that game and that team there bound to get abit leary.It's a pity a life was lost but when you taunt people to a certain extent they're going to lash out.

To me that's pretty much like saying at XL if you trash talk the other team then you deserve to get a beating outside afterwards.

It's a shame that people use football as an excuse to kick off now a days, there was a time (quite a while ago now though) where people would walk of to a derby game with their neighbour in different colour shirts, stand at different ends giving it all the talk, then walk back home together best of mates again.

I reserve judgment on this at the moment as it doesn't seem like all the facts are there, but a life has been cut short so RIP.

[DinnyHoon]

It's a shame that people use football as an excuse to kick off now a days, there was a time (quite a while ago now though) where people would walk of to a derby game with their neighbour in different colour shirts, stand at different ends giving it all the talk, then walk back home together best of mates again.


Well, to an extent, that still happens at the Merseyside derby.

[Renegade]

Well, to an extent, that still happens at the Merseyside derby.

Same with local Derbies here. As a Crewe fan, some of my best friends are Stoke City and Port Vale fans. I hate their teams with a passion, but at the end of the day we're just fellas that support different football clubs. It's the clubs I can't stand, not them.

Well when you got supporters supposedly shouting things like. Brummy your going down and so on. What do you expect, There passionate about that game and that team there bound to get abit leary.It's a pity a life was lost but when you taunt people to a certain extent they're going to lash out.

I can tell you're not a football fan - that's an extremely narrow minded way of looking at things. Yes, be passionate about the sport and about the team - be happy, angry, upset, anything. I've cried about football matches, jumped for joy, shouted and screamed - but as soon as someone lashes out at a rival supporter in any physical way, they cease to become football fans and become thugs and hooligans. Being passionate about a team does not give anybody the reason to cause anybody else harm. These people aren't fans, they're idiots.

[BlaqK]

Same with local Derbies here. As a Crewe fan, some of my best friends are Stoke City and Port Vale fans. I hate their teams with a passion, but at the end of the day we're just fellas that support different football clubs. It's the clubs I can't stand, not them.



I can tell you're not a football fan - that's an extremely narrow minded way of looking at things. Yes, be passionate about the sport and about the team - be happy, angry, upset, anything. I've cried about football matches, jumped for joy, shouted and screamed - but as soon as someone lashes out at a rival supporter in any physical way, they cease to become football fans and become thugs and hooligans. Being passionate about a team does not give anybody the reason to cause anybody else harm. These people aren't fans, they're idiots.

Spot on mate

[Roadpog]

I am a footy fan. Regularly have arguments with my mates and regularly end in fights.
This is a simple accident but when you taunt someone what do you expect. There not friends at all they might not even know them. When you taunt someone you dont know sometimes they lash out. What some ****s do. Not personally me but some people do it

[Renegade]

Regularly have arguments with my mates and regularly end in fights.


If you and your group are incapable of realising that which football team you support is not a reason to fight eachother, I don't know what to say. If you have ever fought with someone over a difference of support, you're one of the idiots I was talking about.


This is a simple accident but when you taunt someone what do you expect. There not friends at all they might not even know them. When you taunt someone you dont know sometimes they lash out. What some ****s do. Not personally me but some people do it

No, if I taunt someone to do with football I expect to be taunted back - to do with football. I expect it in the same way I expect to be taunted by my friends if I lose a game of FIFA against them, or any other game. It's banter - not something to fight about and I don't expect to be punched or fought. There is no excuse to fight about being taunted by a rival team.