PES6 Group A Fixtures

[KONSPIRACY]

Please use this thread to arrange your Group A fixtures. You are required to play each other once:

GROUP A:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2584/barcelonafe5.gif BiG FeLLis [Barcelona]
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/926/liverpoolfl1.gif biglad66 [Liverpool]
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2584/barcelonafe5.gif Fully Flej Lej [Barcelona]
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7630/arsenalhu4.gif NeoKubrick [Arsenal]
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6666/chelseacb2.gif RenegadeDS [Chelsea]
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6666/chelseacb2.gif Rob78 RIP 247 [Chelsea]
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7630/arsenalhu4.gif TURTLE ZED [Arsenal]
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All fixtures must be played n results reported by Sunday 18th February.

GROUP A FIXTURES:
Home vs Away

BiG FeLLis vs Rob78 RIP 247
biglad66 vs Fully Flej Lej
Fully Flej Lej vs BiG FeLLis
Fully Flej Lej vs Rob78 RIP 247
Rob78 RIP 247 vs biglad66


GROUP A RESULTS:

Rob78 RIP 247 [1] vs [6] NeoKubrick
TURTLE ZED [5] vs [0] biglad66
TURTLE ZED [1] vs [5] NeoKubrick
RenegadeDS [2] vs [0] TURTLE ZED
NeoKubrick [5] vs [0] biglad66
Fully Flej Lej [2] vs [4] NeoKubrick
BiG FeLLis [1]vs [4] TURTLE ZED
BiG FeLLis [1] vs [1] biglad66
NeoKubrick [1] vs [3] RenegadeDS
biglad66 [1] vs [5] RenegadeDS
RenegadeDS [4] vs [1] Rob78 RIP 247
TURTLE ZED [4] vs [1] Rob78 RIP 247
RenegadeDS [2] vs [1] Fully Flej Lej
Fully Flej Lej [1] vs [4] TURTLE ZED
BiG FeLLis [0] vs [2] NeoKubrick
RenegadeDS [1] vs [0] BiG FeLLis

[Renegade]

Well all, I'm on tonight but then not on again until Sunday night (wednesday is my 21st birthday so im takin a few days off work and going home)

So I'm gonna add you all to my friends list, and if you're about tonight and see me online feel free to send a game invite and I'll be there. Or, if I'm the home team and you're ready to play, send me a message and I'll set the game up. Think I'm gonna go Chelsea...

RenegadeDS.

[TURTLE ZED]

I will be about tonight (mon 29th Jan), from 6pm-7.15pm. I can also get on after 10pm if I know other people are about.

I will be using Arsenal.

If not I am on most weekdays from 6pm -7.15pm. I’ll clear some spaces on my friends list as I know its full, and add a couple of you.

[Renegade]

I should be on at those times, both between 6 and 7:15 and after 10. So we can get our game sorted nice and quickly with a London Derby! What formation do you use with Arsenal? I'm still torn between them and Chelsea see....

Friend Request sent by the way.

*edit* as you just said, your friends list is full. Like I said, after tonight I won't be on at all until Sunday night.

[TURTLE ZED]

Renegageds - PLEASE NOTE, time amended now to 6.30 as I want to make sure my league game at 6pm is finished in time.

renegadeds - shall we say 6.30pm tonight (mon) then for sure. I'll invite you.

By the way renegadeds, your friends list is full, so can you clear a space and add me instead of me guessing when you’ve cleared a space.

As for the rest of you, I’ve cleared around 5-6 spaces, so there should be room for you all, I’ll send a few invites out tonight. If some of you are available tonight, I’d appreciate it if you could try to play me tonight, as I have a whole night free to game, whereas other nights are harder to find time.

Cheers fella’s, look forward to our epic battles!

[Renegade]

All sent.

I'm playing at my very worst right now I'm afraid, so don't be surprised if you beat me!

[TURTLE ZED]

All sent.

I'm playing at my very worst right now I'm afraid, so don't be surprised if you beat me!


Ha Ha, your Jedi mind tricks won’t work on me, I’ve tried all that before. I’m in two leagues, currently 2nd in one, and top in another, and for years I’ve played the old ‘I’m not on form at the moment card’, to try to lull the opposition into some false security, and then bam, you hit em hard.

Sorry fella didnt work, and if you wanted to know my form at the moment, well I’m flying, but I never underestimate my opposition, especially in comp matches with prizes, opponents always up the anti!


See you at 6.30 tonight mate! Just realised your host of our match, so can you invite me at 6.30, cheers.

[Big Fellis]

I can be around tonight, ill send some messages out if i see any of you guys online.

[TURTLE ZED]

I can be around tonight, ill send some messages out if i see any of you guys online.

Big FeLLis, do you want to play at 7 tonight? Your the host, so if you do, let me know in here as I have notifications switched off and then invite me.

[KONSPIRACY]

Fixtures updated in first post :cool:

[Renegade]

Fixture 1:

RenegadeDS (Chelsea) 2-0 Turtle Zed (Arsenal)

Turtle - you kicked my ass. Hit the bar, I couldn't get the ball out of my box, and luckily Henry missed a 1 on 1 as my keeper slid in and took it - I'm amazed I won but two breakaway goals sealed the deal.

For anyone that thinks this league isn't wide open, think again. There's gonna be some quality players here.

[TURTLE ZED]

Fixture 1:

RenegadeDS (Chelsea) 2-0 Turtle Zed (Arsenal)

Turtle - you kicked my ass. Hit the bar, I couldn't get the ball out of my box, and luckily Henry missed a 1 on 1 as my keeper slid in and took it - I'm amazed I won but two breakaway goals sealed the deal.

For anyone that thinks this league isn't wide open, think again. There's gonna be some quality players here.

Score confirmed, a cracking match, where you took your chances and I didnt. Well played mate, I have to admit I was very unlucky and had you under presure, but thats football for you. Sound chap, and good luck with your other matches.

[Big Fellis]

ok, im bout to turn my xbox on, so i any one wants to play a game, just send me a message :D

Srry zed, only just checked back here after posting, you free now?

[TURTLE ZED]

Hold on a mo, may be 15 mins

[Big Fellis]

ok, thats fine, ill be on soon

[TURTLE ZED]

ready now mate

[TURTLE ZED]

BiG FeLLis (Barcelona) 1 vs 4 TURTLE ZED (Arsenal)

TURTLE ZED WINS 4-1 with Arsenal

A top game, which I felt nervous through long spells, but in the end my pressure and a bit of luck payed off to clinch the game.

[TURTLE ZED]

Me and Biglad66 have arranged to play our game at 9pm tonight (mon) over voice chat.

[biglad]

hi all i'm mostly online from 7p.m most nights so feel free to add me to your friends list and we'll have a game.:)

[biglad]

renegadeDS if you are free tonight at 9.30p.m we will have a game if you want to.:)

[NeoKubrick]

I'll be on all night; so send a message if you want to play.

[TURTLE ZED]

TURTLE ZED (Arsenal) vs biglad66 (Liverpool)

TURTLE ZED and Arsenal win 5-0

The gunners were too strong for Liverpool on this occasion. Cheers for the match fella and being on time. Shame you didnt have your mic on though, always good to have a bit of banter during games. Anyway, good luck with your other games.

[TURTLE ZED]

NeoKubrick

9.20 I'm free now if your about.

[biglad]

turtle zed 5 - 0 biglad66 good game turtle zed don't know what happenend but i got thrashed sorry i could not hear you on earpiece it was turned on but couldn't hear nothing anyway good game.

[NeoKubrick]

NeoKubrick (Arsenal) 4 - 2 (Barcalona) Fully Flej Lej

Cheers for the game.

[NeoKubrick]

TURTLE ZED (Arsenal) 1 - 5 (Arsenal) NeoKubrick

Good game. Tighter than the result suggests. Turtle had me on the ropes in the first half, but I came on in the second-half to score four goals when I usually squander chances like those. Thanks for the game Turtle.

[Big Fellis]

i should be around tomorro night, so ill try and play as many of these games as i can :D Ill message you guys if i see you online

[NeoKubrick]

NeoKubrick (Arsenal) 5 - 0 (Liverpool) Biglad66

Tight in the first-half, with Biglad's defence having a duel with my attack. Second-half was less so. Good game, mate.

[biglad]

Arsenal 5 - 0 Liverpool
NeoKubric 5 - 0 Biglad66

A totally domininat arsenal gave liverpool no chance a fully deserved win.

[TURTLE ZED]

TURTLE ZED (Arsenal) 1 - 5 (Arsenal) NeoKubrick

Good game. Tighter than the result suggests. Turtle had me on the ropes in the first half, but I came on in the second-half to score four goals when I usually squander chances like those. Thanks for the game Turtle.

Score confirmed, my toughest game yet, and as you say, in the 1st half I had the measure of you going 1-0 up early on, but I let you back into the match, and after that you controlled the second half, then you scored again to go 1 up, and my concentration dropped, and I let you find space and gave you time on the ball. A tough competitor, you'll do well! As for me, I've had 2 losses, and two big wins, so although I've played well, its the same old story, never enough when it matters.

[NeoKubrick]

As for me, I've had 2 losses, and two big wins, so although I've played well, its the same old story, never enough when it matters.
Yeah, I felt our match was a six-pointer. Although you're a competitor in my group, I should give you a bit of advice. You shouldn't use Senderous in the center of defence. He's too awkward, but, you need him to organise the 'D-line'. So, you should put him on the left or right and change the position to 'CB'; so, he's organising the 'D-line' and has a center-back to back him up against wingers, but as a CB not in the center, he doesn't act as a last line of defence.

[Renegade]

For everyone involved - sorry if I missed you tonight, I'll be on Sunday night now. Don't ask in here if I'm available - if you see me online then send me a message or an invite. I use my monitor as my screen for my 360, so I can't see these forums whilst I'm online. If anyone wants to arrange matches with me for Sunday after 9pm and Monday after 6 I'm all for it.

[TURTLE ZED]

# Fully Flej Lej (not sure if gamertag right, add me instead)

# SmokeZ4 RIP 247 (I send you a friends request, and you asked who I was, so you obviously havent checked the site)

# SoerenStelljes (still to accept friends request that I sent)

Ok, you guys above, for different reasons, I either cant add you or you havent been to the site, so I havent played you yet.

I'm on weekdays, (apart from tonight/tues), 6-7.15pm. I can arrange later times of after 10pm, but only through here.

I'll wait to see what your replies are.

[biglad]

big fellis (barca) 1 biglad66 (liverpool) 1

Barcelona 1-1 Liverpool

a very close game with barca nearly snatching it in the second half with a 10 man liverpool holding out just for the draw good game big fellis.

[Gaskin]

In future please post your results in the PES6 Champs League Results thread. http://community.matchbox360.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7002#post7002 I'll do it for you this time ;)

Thanks.

[TURTLE ZED]

MESSAGE REPEATED AS NO RESPONSE FROM YOU GUYS!

• Fully Flej Lej (not sure if gamertag right, add me instead)

• SmokeZ4 RIP 247 (I send you a friends request, and you asked who I was, so you obviously havent checked the site)

• SoerenStelljes (still to accept friends request that I sent)

Ok, you guys above, for different reasons, I either cant add you or you havent been to the site, so I havent played you yet.

I'm on weekdays, (apart from tonight/tues), 6-7.15pm. I can arrange later times of after 10pm, but only through here.

I'll wait to see what your replies are.

[KONSPIRACY]

All GTs appear to be correct. Keep me informed on whether you manage to get hold of them or not please :cool:

[Big Fellis]

Really good game big lad, was very close and you played well with 10 men :D Well played :D


i got the same reply from smokeZ4, so i pointed him the direction of the forums :D hopefull he'll be around soon :D

I hoping to get the rest of my games played tonight, as im in liverpool all tomorro, and am out friday and saturday. So if you wanna play to night, tell me on here on send me a message on live, ill keep xbox.com open to check for messages :D

[NeoKubrick]

You want to play in ten minutes, Big Fellis?

I'll be on Xbox Live. I'll send you a message.

[TURTLE ZED]

SoerenStelljes, you've accepted my friends request, but I left two voice messages when I saw you on top spin, yet you havent replied letting me know when you can play, nor is there any sign of you in here, so I dont really know why I'm typing this to you. DOH!

Times please chaps, the guys I havent played.

[TURTLE ZED]

KONSPIRACY - this is the state of play with these three guys, have had no response at all so maybe they need a kick up the backside to get them into action. Even sent 3 voice messages to one guy while he was on Top Spin for 2-3 hours. I know there’s loads of time left to play these games but it’d be good if they at least stated when they can play. Cheers.


• Fully Flej Lej - still no reply of any sort

• SmokeZ4 RIP 247 - I understand this guy doesnt even want to take part, and someone else should taken his place

• SoerenStelljes - left 3 voice messages on his 360, not even a single reply.

[TCS.raideN]

Hello I'm SoerenStelljes. Sry i have hard week
behind me. My matches will starting from the weekend.

I message all my opponents in my friendslist.

see you

[TURTLE ZED]

Out of the last three guys I have to play, can you please arrange playing times in here as stated in the rules to save confusion. Cheers guys.

[NeoKubrick]

NeoKubrick (Arsenal) 6 - 1 (Chelsea) Rob78 RIP 247 (AKA SmokeZ4 RIP 247)


Good game: close in the first-half, and I dominated the second.

[SmokeZ4]

Hi, Rob78 RIP 247 will be taking over in stead of me. Matchbox have been informed but have not updated the name on the league table. Please add Rob78 RIP 247 to your friend list, he is on most nights so will speak to you all soon. Cheers

[TCS.raideN]

Turtle Zed, can u play tuesday @ 17 o'clock?

[TURTLE ZED]

Turtle Zed, can u play tuesday @ 17 o'clock?

No mate, not home by 5pm. I can play at 6pm tuesday though, can you confirm this is OK?

If not I'm about today (sat) until 6pm.

I take it your gamertag is still SoerenStelljes?

[TURTLE ZED]

• Fully Flej Lej - friends request sent now, please accept (your the host)

• Rob78 RIP 247 - friends request sent now, please accept (I'm the host)

• SoerenStelljes - trying to arrange times now, waiting for confirmation (your the host)

Ok guys, I am around today (sat) all day until 6pm, so if you want to play today, please say a time between 12pm-6pm and I will confirm. If not I can play weekdays 6pm-7.15pm and after 10pm by arrangement. Cheers.

[Renegade]

Right, tonight I will be online at approximately 7pm until midnight-ish, so plenty of time to get games involved.

My fixtures:

biglad67 vs RenegadeDS
NeoKubrick vs RenegadeDS
RenegadeDS vs BiG FeLLis
RenegadeDS vs Fully Flej Lej
RenegadeDS vs SmokeZ4 RIP 247
SoerenStelljes vs RenegadeDS

You are all on my friend list, with Rob78 RIP 247 in place of SmokeZ4. If anyone wants to play their match against me tonight, feel free to send me a game invite if you're the host, or a message asking me to set up the game if I'm the host. Hopefully by the end of tonight will have had most of my matches played and sorted.

Ren

[KONSPIRACY]

Hi, Rob78 RIP 247 will be taking over in stead of me. Matchbox have been informed but have not updated the name on the league table. Please add Rob78 RIP 247 to your friend list, he is on most nights so will speak to you all soon. Cheers
Who did you inform? This is the first I've heard of it.

[NeoKubrick]

NeoKubrick [Arsenal] 1 - 3 [Chelsea] RenegadeDS

Gifted him two goals. I spurned numerous chances. In the end, Baptisa got sent off and RDS scored from a hopeless ball he blasted in the direction of the corner-flag.

[Renegade]

Posted both here and in results thread:

Group A:

NeoKubrick vs RenegadeDS

Arsenal vs Chelsea

1-3 to RenegadeDS


A great game saw Kubrick go one up in the 42nd minute, only to get pegged back in the 44th by Renegade with a cheeky shevchenko turn. Second half saw Renegade take the lead in the 61st, and then be given a penalty which Lampard duly missed, hitting the bar. Baptista was yellow carded for the offense, then sent off in the 80th with a dodgy sliding tackle in the Chelsea box. Renegade changed from 4-3-3 to 5-3-2, to triple mark Henry, and was rewarded with a breakaway goal, Drogba scoring a sweet half volley into the bottom corner. A comfortable win, with 3 goals and a missed penalty. Might have been different if Baptista had not been sent off, but as it stands NeoKubrick's winning run has come to an end. Neokubrick 1-3 RenegadeDS.

[Renegade]

NeoKubrick [Arsenal] 1 - 3 [Chelsea] RenegadeDS

Gifted him two goals. I spurned numerous chances. In the end, Baptisa got sent off and RDS scored from a hopeless ball he blasted in the direction of the corner-flag.

lol. Never mind. Forgot the missed penalty and 1-on-1 I missed right? And that yours was a rebound through two defenders that miskicked it? Come on, play fair talk fair.

[NeoKubrick]

lol. Never mind. Forgot the missed penalty and 1-on-1 I missed right? And that yours was a rebound through two defenders that miskicked it? Come on, play fair talk fair.
I outplayed you. You scored a goal from a corner I conceded foolishly. You scored a goal from a tussle Shev had with two players. You missed a penalty, and spurned a one-on-one. I spurned an open goal with Bapista, a couple of chances from Henry, and a last ditch shot at the end from Rosicky which would have made it two-two. You couldn't cope with my passing game even with six players guarding the goal. It was far from a "comfortable" win as you put it.

[Renegade]

I outplayed you. You scored a goal from a corner I conceded foolishly. You scored a goal from a tussle Shev had with two players. You missed a penalty, and spurned a one-on-one. I spurned an open goal with Bapista, a couple of chances from Henry, and a last ditch shot at the end from Rosicky which would have made it two-two. You couldn't cope with my passing game even with six players guarding the goal. It was far from a "comfortable" win as you put it.

I have 3 people in here watching me that said you were poor. Sorry, it seems like you really don't like losing. I wrote a report that told the game, admittedly I forgot that you missed an 'open goal' (still with the keeper to beat). The story of the game is that I scored the chances I had, you didn't. As anyone here will tell you, it's not about how many chances you make, it's how many chances you take. You took one, I took three. My game against Turtle Zed was far far more difficult than the one against you, but from just that message it seems like you are a rather bad loser compared to Turtle - you're still top of the league, don't stress.

[NeoKubrick]

I have 3 people in here watching me that said you were poor. Sorry, it seems like you really don't like losing. I wrote a report that told the game, admittedly I forgot that you missed an 'open goal' (still with the keeper to beat). The story of the game is that I scored the chances I had, you didn't. As anyone here will tell you, it's not about how many chances you make, it's how many chances you take. You took one, I took three. My game against Turtle Zed was far far more difficult than the one against you, but from just that message it seems like you are a rather bad loser compared to Turtle - you're still top of the league, don't stress.

Yeah right. Football isn't about out-muscling players and dribbling. That's what you did. In pure football terms, I out-played you with my passing game. For a comfortable win, you had only fifty percent of the play. Ten shots to my nine. I'm not a bad loser; I did post up the result, before you did. You seem to be a bad winner, though.

[Renegade]

Not before I did - I posted mine in the proper results thread before you did. Sorry if you can't accept the result. Not my problem I'm afraid. Football is about however you play it. My game involved marking Theirry out of the game, letting you play how you wanted then taking it off you in defense because I can spread it up front extremely quickly, hence my third goal and two counter-attacks against Turtle. That's how I play. You played how you play, and you lost. I suspect that's why you have such a problem with it - my tactics were more effective than yours. You thought you had it easy because I'm perfectly happy for you to pass all you want, and as soon as it gets up front to Thierry on every attack, he got nowhere near the goal. I outmuscled you using Thierry, if anybody here plays any different against Arsenal I would be very surprised.

And as for bad winner? I'm really not. You came here and tried to make out that I played terribly, having just beaten you 3-1 and missed a penalty. I am one of the most gracious winners of competetive tournaments you are likely to meet - against Rawley at XL where I went 2-0 down, came back to 2-2 then he went 3-2, I once again got it to 3-3 and took it to extra time, only to concede in the very last minute (quarter finals) - first thing I did was stand up, shake his hand, and supported him until the very end, when he won the tournament. I don't think he was much better than me, but he did beat me and won the tournament. Fair play to him, I still have him on my friend list now.

You want to come on here and make out like I was played off the park and my goals were only because you 'gave them to me', downright lying about our game, it's up to you. There are plenty of people here that know the way I play and the types of goals I score - if you give me a chance I'll take it, but I work damn hard for my results and do so with pride. If you don't like losing, don't sign up for tournaments.

I saw your position in our group, saw your results, and was worried about playing you. I am willing to admit, I was worried about our match. I worked hard with Chelsea recently having not really used them before, and it paid off. I did work hard, I made chances, I scored three of them. That's how it works, and if you think your style of football deserves to beat my style of football, then go up there and score more goals - the only part of football that's played on paper is the scoresheet.

A simple, 'Good Game' would suffice.

[TCS.raideN]

No mate, not home by 5pm. I can play at 6pm tuesday though, can you confirm this is OK?

If not I'm about today (sat) until 6pm.

I take it your gamertag is still SoerenStelljes?



tuesday 9pm?

[NeoKubrick]

Here's the quote:
Gifted him two goals. I spurned numerous chances. In the end, Baptisa got sent off and RDS scored from a hopeless ball he blasted in the direction of the corner-flag.
Now, where do I refer to how you play in that quote? You can't deny that you blasted the ball up in the direction of the corner flag to waste time. Your third was a result of Baptisa fouling your player just inside your half. The free-kick was blasted into the corner; you certainly didn't win the ball and spread it to the front quickly in that instance where you scored the third.

I got it nowhere near the goal, huh? Really, that comment is so off-mark, I assume you had trouble typing it in the right box. Your tactics were predictable. You used two defensive midfielders to cover the defence and gave the ball to both your forward wingers to run at my defence. That's all you did. But I enjoyed the match, which is why I offered a re-match, you declined. You came on and said that the win was comfortable, when you state that you had to change tactics mid-way through the game (comfortable, all right if you had to change tactics).

You're a bad winner. You cite this "penalty" as if it were a goal, yet climb on your high-horse and say that the game is about taking chances and scoring? Yeah right, kid. You won - be happy.


Good game.

[Renegade]

It was comfortable. Like I'm going to keep three up front when I'm 2-1 up in the last ten minutes! It's a smarter way to guarantee the win - as you know, in PES anything can happen and all it would take was one slip or one AI screw up and Henry scores, simple as that. So I stopped it happening. The reason I decline your invites and have now blocked communications is because you called me a 'bitter *****' sent messages such as 'scared to be outplayed again?' and so on. I can't be bothered with it, the last thing I need on my friend list is another immature sore loser. Also, can any mods or admins for the tournament consider this a formal complaint against NeoKubrick for vulgar and abusive communications to a fellow player. I don't have to put up with it and nor does anyone else.

Results posted in proper thread, but:

RenegadeDS vs Fully Flej Lej:

2-1 to RenegadeDS

and

RenegadeDS vs Rob78 RIP 247

4-1 to RenegadeDS.

As I said, results are already in proper thread.

Oh - biglad, tomorrow at 8 should be fine. If I'm not there at eight it's because I'm at the gym, but wait for me I won't be too long. Stelljes has accepted my friend request but not played any matches yet, I have sent game invited but no use. Not seen Big Fellis on tonight, let me know when you are free mate. Cheers to everyone I've played tonight. Well, almost everyone ;)

[NeoKubrick]

It was comfortable. Like I'm going to keep three up front when I'm 2-1 up in the last ten minutes! It's a smarter way to guarantee the win - as you know, in PES anything can happen and all it would take was one slip or one AI screw up and Henry scores, simple as that. So I stopped it happening. The reason I decline your invites and have now blocked communications is because you called me a 'bitter *****' sent messages such as 'scared to be outplayed again?' and so on. I can't be bothered with it, the last thing I need on my friend list is another immature sore loser. Also, can any mods or admins for the tournament consider this a formal complaint against NeoKubrick for vulgar and abusive communications to a fellow player. I don't have to put up with it and nor does anyone else.
You see? You can't leave it.

An extremely tough game, the hardest of the three and nowhere near as easy a win as my previous game.

You're a bad winner. You got out-played, but you won. Citing that you did this or that tactically, doesn't matter. I use Henry to capture the attention of players to move out of position. You were duped into doing that, which is the reason Rosicky was in on goal at the end (remember?). You're taking this too personally. Just accept your win, and move on. ;)

[Renegade]

OK, having told me to accept my win - how come you sent me multiple requests for another game afterwards? Accept your loss. I wasn't 'duped' into anything. As an old Arsenal user, I found you predictable. Almost every ball was passed to Henry, at which point you used him to square across to try and cutback each time. If you suggest I remove the markers and let Henry run at me, it's not going to happen. As your match proved, I had much more to fear against Henry than against anyone else, so I made you pass to someone else, including the Rosicky chance. Henry would have scored it, Rosicky didn't. Duped? I don't think so - I'm happy for you to give it to someone other than Henry, that's what I wanted. Your one goal came from an Henry shot that was parried and miskicked by two defenders, it was hardly a classic and emphasises the reason I marked Henry so heavily. Rosicky did manage to squeeze through, but you are trying to make out you tactically outplayed me, despite only scoring one and only having one Rosicky chance worth mentioning. My defense was tight, more often than not you played the ball to me as I had Henry double marked and Baptista marked, with my two DMFs given free reign to block off your AMFs, which they did apart from one Rosicky chance near the end. However, you are coming back to this chance over and over - you didn't score it. If you want me to drop the fact that it should have been 4-1 apart from good old PES random penalties hitting the bar, you need to drop the Rosicky chance and the fact that you weren't able to score more than one past me, just like nobody else has done so far either.

Honestly cannot believe you still claim I was outplayed, but whatever. I would rather play awfully and win 3-1 than play brilliantly (lol) and lose 3-1. If I were you, I wouldn't continue with the 'you were outplayed and I was much better' line of argument. It means that off-form and playing badly, I still managed to score three against you. It's also funny that you have already tried to give advice to someone about how to use the Arsenal defense by specifically taking Senderos out of the middle of it, and then claim here that your tactics of getting my players out of position with Henry was a masterstroke in tactics - no offense but it didn't work. You took Senderos out as far as I can remember and I scored three and hit the bar with a penalty. You used Henry to 'dupe' my defense and yet you couldn't score with the players you passed it to. I know what I'm doing, I travelled across the UK to play in tournaments at my own expense, and very nearly quit university to take up PES5 with a sponsorship, but thought better of it. The reason I have taken this personally was because you came here and just like you did with Turtle Zed, tried to make out like we didn't know what we were doing. You offered Turtle advice that was not needed, he played better with Senderos in his defense than you did without him. You state that you outplayed me and that the way I played 'was not football'. It's not necessary, it smacks of arrogance and someone that really can't take losing. Say, for one moment, that I agree that you outplayed me (which I don't). What does that mean? That you can get the better of someone but not finish? That you can play much better and concede three and a penalty? Come off it, get your head out for one moment - you missed your chances, I scored my chances. In a game like this, in my opinion the better player is the one that not only creates chances, but scores the ones he gets. Against Turtle I had 3 real chances and scored 2. Against you I had 5 clear chances and scored 3, hitting the bar on the other. Even if you made a million chances, the fact that you only took one of them does not make you a better player. I'm not saying I'm better than you, I thought you had a bad game and were relatively comfortable to beat. Take your chances or it won't be the last game you lose - and deep down I think you know that.

I've blocked your communications on live now, I'm sick of it. I've played multiple tournaments, some against people being who were paid a lot of money for doing so, and never come across anyone as sore as you. In a relatively friendly tournament like this, to send me abusive and vulgar messages is criminal, and like I said I won't put up with it. I'm trying to get on with my tournament, have blocked your comms because it's extremely offputting, and played two more tournament games since that, both won and in my opinion harder than the game I played against you. In my opinion. I'm trying to move on with the tournament, I want to finish this group having won every game, like I did at XL. I have moved on, and would appreciate you doing to same thing. Leave me alone.

You want an opinion of me as a player, both winner and loser? Ask Gaskin, Icemanleigh, Rawley, FATFred, Brooksey and any other of the players at the XL tournament that I came up against. You don't know anything about me, last night was the first (and last) time I have ever played against you so don't come here calling me a bad winner. Even Turtle Zed, Fully Flej Lej and Rob havn't had a problem with me so far, despite losing against me in this tournament, Turtle absolutely dominating me. I'm just trying to get on with it, and this is very very offputting.

[NeoKubrick]

OK, having told me to accept my win - how come you sent me multiple requests for another game afterwards? Accept your loss. I wasn't 'duped' into anything. As an old Arsenal user, I found you predictable. Almost every ball was passed to Henry, at which point you used him to square across to try and cutback each time. If you suggest I remove the markers and let Henry run at me, it's not going to happen. As your match proved, I had much more to fear against Henry than against anyone else, so I made you pass to someone else, including the Rosicky chance. Henry would have scored it, Rosicky didn't. Duped? I don't think so - I'm happy for you to give it to someone other than Henry, that's what I wanted. Your one goal came from an Henry shot that was parried and miskicked by two defenders, it was hardly a classic and emphasises the reason I marked Henry so heavily. Rosicky did manage to squeeze through, but you are trying to make out you tactically outplayed me, despite only scoring one and only having one Rosicky chance worth mentioning. My defense was tight, more often than not you played the ball to me as I had Henry double marked and Baptista marked, with my two DMFs given free reign to block off your AMFs, which they did apart from one Rosicky chance near the end. However, you are coming back to this chance over and over - you didn't score it. If you want me to drop the fact that it should have been 4-1 apart from good old PES random penalties hitting the bar, you need to drop the Rosicky chance and the fact that you weren't able to score more than one past me, just like nobody else has done so far either.

Honestly cannot believe you still claim I was outplayed, but whatever. I would rather play awfully and win 3-1 than play brilliantly (lol) and lose 3-1. If I were you, I wouldn't continue with the 'you were outplayed and I was much better' line of argument. It means that off-form and playing badly, I still managed to score three against you. It's also funny that you have already tried to give advice to someone about how to use the Arsenal defense by specifically taking Senderos out of the middle of it, and then claim here that your tactics of getting my players out of position with Henry was a masterstroke in tactics - no offense but it didn't work. You took Senderos out as far as I can remember and I scored three and hit the bar with a penalty. You used Henry to 'dupe' my defense and yet you couldn't score with the players you passed it to. I know what I'm doing, I travelled across the UK to play in tournaments at my own expense, and very nearly quit university to take up PES5 with a sponsorship, but thought better of it. The reason I have taken this personally was because you came here and just like you did with Turtle Zed, tried to make out like we didn't know what we were doing. You offered Turtle advice that was not needed, he played better with Senderos in his defense than you did without him. You state that you outplayed me and that the way I played 'was not football'. It's not necessary, it smacks of arrogance and someone that really can't take losing. Say, for one moment, that I agree that you outplayed me (which I don't). What does that mean? That you can get the better of someone but not finish? That you can play much better and concede three and a penalty? Come off it, get your head out for one moment - you missed your chances, I scored my chances. In a game like this, in my opinion the better player is the one that not only creates chances, but scores the ones he gets. Against Turtle I had 3 real chances and scored 2. Against you I had 5 clear chances and scored 3, hitting the bar on the other. Even if you made a million chances, the fact that you only took one of them does not make you a better player. I'm not saying I'm better than you, I thought you had a bad game and were relatively comfortable to beat. Take your chances or it won't be the last game you lose - and deep down I think you know that.

I've blocked your communications on live now, I'm sick of it. I've played multiple tournaments, some against people being who were paid a lot of money for doing so, and never come across anyone as sore as you. In a relatively friendly tournament like this, to send me abusive and vulgar messages is criminal, and like I said I won't put up with it. I'm trying to get on with my tournament, have blocked your comms because it's extremely offputting, and played two more tournament games since that, both won and in my opinion harder than the game I played against you. In my opinion. I'm trying to move on with the tournament, I want to finish this group having won every game, like I did at XL. I have moved on, and would appreciate you doing to same thing. Leave me alone.

You want an opinion of me as a player, both winner and loser? Ask Gaskin, Icemanleigh, Rawley, FATFred, Brooksey and any other of the players at the XL tournament that I came up against. You don't know anything about me, last night was the first (and last) time I have ever played against you so don't come here calling me a bad winner. Even Turtle Zed, Fully Flej Lej and Rob havn't had a problem with me so far, despite losing against me in this tournament, Turtle absolutely dominating me. I'm just trying to get on with it, and this is very very offputting.

:rolleyes:

Really, your argument has been a plethora of "people said this", "I play in tournaments", and "but he says". I couldn't care less.

You don't have to prove yourself to me. You can't simultaneously say "Leave me alone" while writing a four-paragraph diatribe. You can't imply you know PES football, while stating that the quality of the goal is important, and not the passes leading to it. You can't mention a penalty as a goal, while stating that I never took my chances.

My tactics brought about four chances on-goal (discounting the first-half): Baptisa's, Rosicky's, Ljungberg's, and Henry's. The fact that I missed those chances is a reflection of my finishing in-front of goal. Your tactics brought about two chances: one-on-one and the penalty. And as I alluded to in my match against Turtle: "I usually squander chances like those.". My style is an exact match of Wenger's. It wasn't a "comfortable" win as you put it. If it was a comfortable win, then you may as well say that CSKA Moscow had a "comfortable" draw against Arsenal in the Emirates.

I respect your dribbling-muscle game, but I don't like it, or indeed think it is the way football should be played. And you weren't good enough to change my point of view. Pointing out that I won't win games without taking my chances is a bit obvious isn't it?


And if I were a two-bit player, you wouldn't go off the plot like you did. But it's a good old rivalry.

[Renegade]

I didn't even play a dribble-muscle game, I honestly can't think where you had that from. Shev's goal was a stepover and a quick change dribble inside your box to get through, and although yes I did run with the ball it's a consequence of giving up the majority of my midfield in order to provide more defensive power. I completely changed the way I played to better suit a game against Arsenal - no pre-determined tactics, a simple check of exactly what you were doing and it was straightforward to decide the style I needed to play. Your football wasn't exactly beautiful, your passing up front was all Henry-cut-across stuff, and your tackling as I'm sure you will admit is seriously poor.

The free kick up towards the corner flag is because I know full well I had the pace on you with Robben, and was the best way to effectively use my players against your players. What you seemed to do was play the game you wanted to play with the tactics you always use (judging from how quickly you set it up), instead of changing your style based on what I was playing. Arsenal have a relatively laborious defense, and so more often than not need an extra defender or marking DMF to rival a 3 man attack such as Chelsea or Barcelona. Sheva is a quality player on PES6 and I usually play him slightly ahead of Drogba in a two man attack, but knowing that you would take Senderos (a great marking player) out of the centre of defense meant that I could comfortably lead a three man strikeforce, using Robbens pace to play Sheva in, with Drogba following rebounds from a left side attack. I don't usually do this, and it was a direct consequence of your style and alteration which gave me an opportunity to lead with 3 up front with a very attacking AMF, and somewhat sacrifice a midfield in order to bolster a defense that (for some reason in PES) can't head the ball for toffee. My advantage was that I played a left-sided attacking strategy and a right sided counter strategy, and as a direct result you found counter-attacking tougher than usual. Once you won the ball from the left, you then needed to feed the ball up front - however, your main man for running and passing as you have already stated, was Henry - who you played on the left up front. It meant that you needed to diagonally play every counter, from right back to left striker, which is what you did, and were stranded because I was leading left sided attacks. With my openness to play Drogba in down the right wing, counter attacking was much quicker as I could lead right sided attacks on counter attacks, whilst leaving you stranded with a heavily left sided preference. It sounds over complicated, but was relatively simple to set up - attack down the left, counter attack down the right. Meanwhile holding the left side of your attack with a double marked Henry, left me much more space despite only having two real midfield players.

By saying that your strategy 'was an exact match of Wengers' it says to me that you would have played that style regardless of the style I played. It worked against four players in this group, it didn't work against me. Too many PES players use the same strategy every time they play, try the same attacks, the same styles, and wonder why after initial success it begins to break down. The best players I have played against do not use their own formations and strategies - they use their opponents, against them. That's what I was trying to do by taking your strategy and making sure that you couldn't use it effectively, which led to less opportunities and more predictable attacks.

Please don't spread mistruths such as 'your tactics brought two chances, one was a penalty' despite that fact that I scored three without the penalty. I know PES football like the back of my hand, but as I stated in my last post I would much rather play like crap and win, rather than play brilliantly and lose. As nice as it is to make great, free flowing genius chances in a perfectly calculated tactical attack, give me a 1-0 win that scrapes in off my strikers arse anyday. I can't mention a penalty as a goal, nor will I do so. On the same note, nor can you mention a Rosicky 1-on-1, Ljungberg's, or Henry's opportunities. Nor can I mention the one on one that I blazed over the bar and should have scored. They don't matter, and I'm glad you finally admit that citing the amount of chances you made is absolutely irrelevant. The only relevant point is the number of goals scored.

I don't give a crap how badly I played or how much my style (in ONE game) wasn't to your liking. I did what I had to do to get the job done. Likewise, whilst I respect your passing game and it was certainly attractive, to be using it in a game where a different style would have been far more effective was foolish. Obviously you could see my intent to stop you playing your game, and don't like it because it actually did stop you playing your game. However, at no point did you tactically try to stop me playing mine. Pass and move all you like - in that game as we saw, a blast upfield and quick turn was more effective. I like your style of play. When I get the chance (as a primarily Arsenal/France/England user) I love to play sharp desicive flowing football - BUT, only when the team and player I am against gives me the option to do so. If I had used a 4-4-2 with Chelsea we could have had a passing vs passing game - but what would have been the point? Fight out a 2-2 draw with outstanding football all the way through, or crack into your tactics and grind a 3-1 victory from 1-0 down? If you had the option right now to go back, play different than usual and not particularly attractive but still get a 3-1 win, you would take it. I know you would, anyone here would take the result over the quality of their play.

It is still, no matter what you think of the result or the way we both played, absolutely unacceptable to swear at me in messages on Xbox Live, messages stating 'scared to play me again' and 'bitter *****'. I didn't want to play you again. I played you the first time in a rush as I had just got back to Cardiff after a four hour drive and wanted to calibrate my HDTV properly, but didn't get chance to. I still wanted to do that, and having promised to get most of my matches played in this tournament by the end of the week - playing you again and again to prove some point you have would be worthless to me. In short - playing you again or not was MY CHOICE, and calling me a bitter ***** for not wanting to is unfair and unreasonable. I said good game, it was a good game. I felt comfortable after the game and during the latter stages, and felt that Fully Flej Lej was a tougher game for me. That's my opinion and just how I felt, but it was still a good game and I can tell that you are a quality player. Your tactics didn't quite come off, unlucky - that's the way of the world. Moving on now please.



PS: I write long posts about PES because I love it so much. I'm the same on pesfan.com and evo web.

[carocat]

This is enough.

Any further posts on this topic by either NeoKubrick or renegadeds WILL be deleted.

[TURTLE ZED]

Turtle Zed, can u play tuesday @ 17 o'clock?


As stated I dont get home till 6pm, so I cant play at 5pm on tuesday. Can you please confirm that you can play at this time.

And Smoke, can you please state times you can play please.

I will be on today (mon) from 2pm-5pm

Tues: 6-7.15

Wed: 6-7.15

Please confirm if you can make any of these times.

[Renegade]

Same for me please Raiden and Big Fellis. My match against biglad66 is scheduled for tonight at 8pm, so will post back on here after.

Carocat - any idea when the group standings will be sorted? Would be nice to know where I stand and what I need to do to qualify. Thanks.

[Renegade]

Deleted, new league below ;)

[carocat]

Well, you must be very bored.

As for sorting out the tables, that is Konspiracys job and I'm sure he will sort it out soon. :)

[Davi3s Lar]

Jesus Dan, I know works boring, but that's silly. Good to see you up at the top dude, I just hope I don't have to play you if I qualify lol

[Renegade]

Jesus Dan, I know works boring, but that's silly. Good to see you up at the top dude, I just hope I don't have to play you if I qualify lol

Haha, if that happens, you know it's over ;)

[Renegade]

After tonight's result, a 5-1 win against Biglad, the new updated league:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v174/danstringer/league5thfeb.jpg

Looking fine, a draw will se me through as Turtle Zed can get a maximum of 15 points. If Turtle doesn't win, I'm through anyway. Eyes open!

[KONSPIRACY]

@ smoke - Is Rob78 RIP 247 registered on MatchBox360?

[TURTLE ZED]

TCS.raideN - still waiting for confirmation when you can play play. I’ve stated I cannot make 5pm, but I can do 6pm tonight (tues). Can you please get back and start confirming and naming times. Cheers.

Really gutted I may not get through, as I’ve played well, been reliable, and played in the right spirit of things. KONSPIRACY, you sure there’s no wild card’s that can get you through!! It’s worth a try!

[Renegade]

Hey, you still might get through! You have one game left which obviously you need to win, then rely on NeoKubrick or myself slipping up against both our opponents. It's unlikely, but you never know!

[KONSPIRACY]

We are actually considering having the top 4 teams progress to the next round due to the high standard n close leagues in this tournament.

[Renegade]

In that case, I'm already through, lol

How would it work? I mean, would it go straight to knockout stages or would it be a second group stage as there would still be 32 teams involved (still the size of the World Cup)?

[KONSPIRACY]

Your not through yet! :p

But I tell you what...I'll make a poll n you guys can decide for yourselves. :cool:

[TURTLE ZED]

Cool, that’d be great, as I’m sure the top two in my group would agree I played a fair game and am good enough to get through.

Dam you renegadeds, its that result against you that has hurt me the most in our group, and I want to seek revenge. Prove your not scared of coming up against me again, and vote for the top 4 to go through - do it, gone on, I dare you!

[Renegade]

What to do, what to do - I need one point to be certain of qualification, at which point there will be half the teams left to beat to win the tournament. Ooooorrr, vote for the top four to go through, as it would enable a couple of my friends in other groups the chance to go through... Dammit, that's a tough one! For my friends, or for me....

*and a vote for the top 4 will give Turtle the chance to seek revenge - and if certain recent events are anything to go by, he isn't the only one.... Good to see I'm pissing everyone off ;)

[TURTLE ZED]

Just remember Renegades, if the result doesnt go your way, you may regret holding me to ransom, when I could of voted for the top four to go through, but suddenly change my mind as I remembered you didn’t choose to put your fellow contender through.

[Renegade]

Holding you to ransom? I havn't even voted yet. If you were in my position, what would you do? I know you are a good player but that doesn't change the result. Like I said, what would you do?

[TURTLE ZED]

Holding you to ransom? I havn't even voted yet. If you were in my position, what would you do? I know you are a good player but that doesn't change the result. Like I said, what would you do?

I

[KONSPIRACY]

I didnt say the poll would change things! May be it will be used for the next tournament :p

[TURTLE ZED]

I didnt say the poll would change things! May be it will be used for the next tournament :p

No way, that

[KONSPIRACY]

lmao :D

<insert dr.evil smilee>

[Renegade]

I voted for the top four. Not for you, ya big turtle fool!

It was the hour long working out that a top four qualification would already mean I've qualified that did it ;) That and my loyalty to friends....

[TURTLE ZED]

Your playing with our minds and our heart strings! I bet you’d rob my granny if she left her front door open. I feel cheated and crushed now, I wish I hadn’t voted.

How about, even if the vote does go for 4 players, and you decide to inforce this on the next tourny, that for this tourny, you have a play-off for the the 3rd highest scorers from each group who can get a wild-card entry. So you could have just 2 wild cards go through, but obviously they have to earn that place.

[Renegade]

So there would be a little mini-tournament of the highest scorers? You need to bear in mind that for any extra players to go through it needs to be in correct amounts for the knockout stages - 2,4,8,16,32,64 players/teams are the only combinations that can be settled in knockout format without giving byes or resorting to a second group stage. If four from each group went through it would work, as it would if two went through. More than 32 teamsbut less than 64 teams can't be decided by knockout games without byes.

The highest scoring losers format only works when there are an odd number of groups in the tournament to begin with. So if there had been 7 groups of 8, not 8 groups of 8, the two highest scorers would need to have been put through.

[TURTLE ZED]

Well I’m sure it’d be easy to work out, but like in our group, currently I could finish with pretty high points, and I’m sure in some of the other groups there’s another unlucky third placed guy who also socred well.

Well as a wild card option, say four of the guys who were really unlucky or more, have a single play-off match, to decide who can earn the priviledged wild card entries into the knock-out stages. That really would put the best unlucky players through to the next stage. Just a thought anyway.

[Renegade]

I know what you mean - but again, the amount of players through to the next round has to be either 16,32, or 64 to ensure that a knock-out stage can complete without anybody getting byes into the second knock-out stage.

As it stands right now, 16 players are going through. This is divisible all the way down to one, the winner of the tournament. (16, 8, 4, 2, 1). If four players from each group went through, this would mean 32 players go to the knockout, which is again divisible all the way down to one, the winner (32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1).

If 16 players from the groups went through, and then 2 more from the wildcards, it means 18 players go to the knockout stages. 18 is NOT divisible down to one without a remainder (18, 9, 4.5), meaning 2 players would need to have a bye through to the second knock-out stage.

Like I said, the ONLY possible amount of players which can complete a knockout stage without byes is 2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256, etc etc. Any other number of teams would need byes.

[TURTLE ZED]

Did you learn that at A level maths?

[NeoKubrick]

[QUOTE=TURTLE ZED;8589]Well I

[TURTLE ZED]

I agree with that. Like the top two are like seeded teams. I would of liked this group stage to be two legs against the same opposition like the Champions league, because after playing you two once, I was left wanting revenge after working out where I went wrong against you both.

Against Renegade, I peppered your goal mouth like it was a peppered steak, and I wanted another chance to try to unlock the key.

And against Neokubrick I matched you in the first half, even looking like I could shock you, but then the collapse of all collapses, I want revenge for that error of mine.

[Renegade]

I agree that the top two should be rewarded as such, if it does come down to four going through there has to be a way to reward the top two of each group.

We all came into this tournament knowing the rules - one game against each player and then the top players are through to the next round. Two legs against each player would take a massive amount of time - look at group E right now, and that's only with one leg per player!

Turtle, as me and Kubrick so hotly debated over - the performance in the game does not matter. The goals and results matter. Whether you peppered my goal mouth or not is not the point (despite in the statistics we had the same amount of shots on goal), it's still a result. We did all know that it was only one game against each player, so it was up to us to make the most of each game. Hindsight is an exact Science after all.

I want the top four to go through, meaning a 32-team knockout stage (massive!). This also means no reward for the players finishing top two, which does not reward consistency.

Turtle, you were a good player but your consistency was a problem. You failed to score in my game and have not performed against the (now) two top players in the group. I don't mean that in an offensive way, it's just the way it is. Saying you wanted two legs is fine, but it was the same for us as it was for you and we made the most of it. Again, I thought you were a quality player let down by finishing, so I'm not trying to offend you.

[TURTLE ZED]

Cheers for reminding me that consistency was my problem!

I reckon if the goal posts were removed I would of won hands down, without a doubt.

Anyway back to tonight. Stellios or whatever your called, still need confirmation about 6pm tonight as I cannot do 5pm. If not please arrange another time with me so I can finish off my matches in this group. Cheers.

[Renegade]

lol @ Stellios.

Same here Stella, I need to sort out a fixture too. After 8pm tonight I'm online, Stella or Fellis let me know if you're going to be about.

[TURTLE ZED]

Ok, well SoerenStelljes said he'd be on at 5pm today (tues), I was on at 5.15, I've checked when he was last online and it said 4hrs ago, so he didnt even turn up at 5. This guy now need sorting out chaps so that we can all arange when to play him. I know a couple of us have left voice messages, and I got told after leaving 4 messages to arrange in forums. Which I've tried, but it doesnt help when he says he'll be on around 5 ish and he wasnt.

[Renegade]

Stelljes was just on for about 40 minutes, playing training on PES, but didn't respond to any messages or my chat invite or game invite. Time-waster.

[TURTLE ZED]

Stelljes, I give up with him, he’s just messing people about. He’s been left numerous messages by us, which he chooses to ignore, aand then he comes back with comments like, I only arrange in forums. But he doesnt, and then when he does come on here, he says he’ll be on at 5 on Tuesday - he wasnt, I checked. Then he says he’s too busy, but he’s constantly playing different games. He’s an absoulte waste of time, really annoying, and you know what, he’ll probably come back in here and kick off saying this and saying that - they always do.

I give up with him! I really hope 4 players do go through now, because my chances of playing and beating him are looking slim now.

Konspiracy - what’s the deal then, as you can see, he’s just messing us about. By the way, don’t you think 4’s a lovely number, I do, it looks good for a number, sounds good, and for some reason it just fits well with the saying “4 to go through”. Dont you think?

[Renegade]

Not to mention it's 50% of the group which is the exact equivalent of Champion's League/World Cup/International Football competitions!

Stelljes is a waste of time. I would much rather he came here or replied to my messages saying 'Ive no intention to play' than waste my time. I sat for 40 minutes while he was online, sent him a game invite every 5 minutes (to give him chance to finish any game he was in) and sent him 2 messages asking if he was playing or when he would be available. I got absolutely zero response from any of them. It's a joke - I know we have until February 18th, but it's already been a week and a half since being given the fixtures, yet we have no matches played by him and no attempt to do so. His '5pm' was probably an attempt to delay us so he can play all of his fixtures at the end, knowing what he needs to do - if that happens, I think we should all declare ourselves 'unavailable' from the 12th-18th ;)

If Stelljes is removed and fixtures against him cancelled, one player will be guaranteed qualification and another player will be 100% out of the running, despite being third in the group. It's a harsh situation and one that fully supports the '4 go through' opinion.

[TURTLE ZED]

I think how Stelljes has acted towards us is bang out of order. Between me and you, we’ve wasted a good couple of hours now for him, and he’s just fooking us around. What really bugs me is he know’s he’s got these voice messages from us, yet still chooses to ignore. I agree, he’s going to wait until the end, and then he’s going to expect us all to jump for him when it suits him.

Well he can go swivvle, its not how its done, and why should I fit into his plans when he’s messed me about so much. And to honest, as far as I’m concerned, he said 5pm Tuesday, he didnt show, I think that counts as a loss against him in the rules doesnt it?

[Renegade]

It should do yeah, but didn't you say you couldn't make 5pm?

I sent him text messages - for all I know he hasn't got a mic so won't hear voice messages, but I know he can read text ones ;)

[TURTLE ZED]

You can hear voice messages through your tv or speakers. I did say I couldnt make it agreed. But he said he'd be on at 5 and he wasnt there. I know it doesnt count as a win, but it shows he's unreliable

[Renegade]

I agree, he has been very unreliable. Last night pissed me off more than anything, the fact that he was already on the same damn game but refusing to play - it's not as though he was in a match either, he was in training!

[carocat]

Has Stelljes played any fixtures so far or given a timeframe to play any?

[Renegade]

Nope he hasn't played any. He gave a very brief timeframe and then never showed up, and refused fixtures when he was actually online both on PES and other games. The problem in this group is that if he is removed, it means certain qualification for the top one, maybe top two and certain failure to qualify for at least one other player, with one needing a miracle to qualify - whether you give us all 3 points or not.

[TURTLE ZED]

Has Stelljes played any fixtures so far or given a timeframe to play any?

Dont think so, and if you want a brief explantion of how he’s acted towards me, here it is.

1st, I ask for times please from him in the Group A forum, I get no replies from him.

2nd, after a few days, which is fair enough, I see him on Top Spin. I leave a voice message saying do you want to play today. No reply.

3rd, 30 mins later, he’s still on Top Spin, I voice message him again saying, not sure if you got my last voice message, and reminding him that his in a Matchbox360 PES comp, and could he supply times, or at least let me know if he can play at all that day.

4th, another 30 mins later, he’s moved onto another game, I message him again, saying whats going on mate, can you at least get back to me.

5th, I see him on another day playing PES, I message him twice saying do you want to play are game. He replies, check forums, I arrange games in there.

6th, I go to look in forums, he says he’ll be on from 5pm-late on tuesday, so can I make 5pm. He actually stated he’d been busy, yeah busy playing other frickin games. I reply, I cant make 5pm as I dont get home till 6. I asked him to confirm he can play at 6pm instead. No confirmation came.

7th, I actually got home at 5.15pm to catch him and he wasnt on. I checked when he was last on Xbox Live, and it was 4hours before, that would of been around 1pm on Tues.

8th, I give up, I’ve seen him on numerous times on PES, but what is the point in even trying. He’s made it quite he doesnt want to be helpful, and to be honest he’s just acting like a wind-up. What on earth did he sign up for in the first place!



We both know, there’s still time left to play, but most people are ready and eager to play their fixtures, and if we dont, we have the courtesy to get back with suitable times. It’s not really playing ball in my opinion. I’m in two PES leagues, and from my experience, these types are just a waste of time.

[Renegade]

Totally agree with Turtle Zed. As he said, we still have a good amount of time to play the games, but that isn't the point - if I knew I wouldn't be able to get online until say the 11th, I would post here and tell everybody that. However, not only has Stelljes not bothered to let anyone know, he has also been on several other 360 games, including PES, for considerable amounts of time, and not bothered to even respond. He gave one very vague time to Turtle, and never showed up then anyway. We have now had 9 days if I'm correct to play these games, during which time practically everyone has stated in here when they will be available, or actually played certain fixtures. Stelljes hasn't bothered - aside from one appearence in this forum with a username not matching his gamertag, which makes me very suspicious.

Complete time-waster. I have also been in leagues online, in a Pro Evo Network League, and anybody acting like this was kicked. Konspiracy gave us three weeks to play 7 games which is already an absurdly long amount of time, so to have not even made an effort so far only shows one thing. He isn't interested and never was.

However - what do we do about it? I don't mind him being kicked and giving us the points, or him being kicked and not giving us any - either way I'm through. But for someone like Turtle, either of those options would see Turtle eliminated from the group (unless a top four group qualification). Basically, if Stelljes doesn't play, Turtle is eliminated. With this in mind, it's why I have voted for a top four qualification - even if the 3rd and 4th placed players are hypothetically not the best quality, it at least means they have showed up and played their games. Then we know we have a knockout stage of players that want to play and are interested, whilst not punishing them for other players such as Stelljes not turning up.

[TURTLE ZED]

Cheers, I do feel if he doesnt turn up and none of us have the chance to play him, then it will knock me out of the competition, whereas if he does play, at least I still have a chance to go through.

But yes, the get-out clause would be four to go through which from what I’ve seen nearly everyone’s happy about. I’ll see what crops up over the next week in anticipation.

[Renegade]

[QUOTE=TURTLE ZED;8857]Cheers, I do feel if he doesnt turn up and none of us have the chance to play him, then it will knock me out of the competition, whereas if he does play, at least I still have a chance to go through.

But yes, the get-out clause would be four to go through which from what I

[Renegade]

One large call here to 'Big Fellis' and 'SeorenStelljes' - I want to play my fixtures as soon as possible, when are you guys available? Please, this needs to get finished, it's already a huge time limit.

[TURTLE ZED]

I hear the sounds of wasted breath heading in SeorenStellljes’s direction.

[Renegade]

Stelljes is online RIGHT NOW, on PES6, during training.

I have just sent the message 'Can we play our PES6 Champions League game tonight please? You are online a lot, but never play - why?'

Will keep you posted.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6618/steliosonlinevv9.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steliosonlinevv9.jpg)

Just to prove it's not my eyes playing tricks on me...

[Renegade]

Well he's now offline again, and absolutely no response has been made.

I sent him a second message, saying 'If you dont want to play the games, can you at least let us know so we are not all waiting around for you?' and got nothing back.

STELLJES - you are a timewaster and extremely annoying.

[TURTLE ZED]

In situations like these, if he does turn up to play his matches, you just want to ignore him like he has you, but then we

[NeoKubrick]

In situations like these, if he does turn up to play his matches, you just want to ignore him like he has you, but then we’ll look bad, but I agree, he has acted like a tosser just blanking us like that. Its so blatant as well, and he knows were there cause he comes back with a smart comment after about 6 messages.

Ive just checked, and now SeorenStellljes has bloody well removed me off his friends list. THATS IT, FINAL STRAW FOR ME!!!! He is seriously taking the piss.
Chill.

If he's taking the piss, you shouldn't bend down to swallow it. The onus is on him to come to you, now. And unless he has respect for his affiliation, whom he has gave his name to like a cow letting a cattle-farmer brand him, he won't turn-up.

[TURTLE ZED]

I'm chilled about it, but I've never know anyone take the piss so bad. And renegadeds has had exactly the same, so its not both of us. This guy is a total plank with no respect at all for his fellow competitors.

Fair enough if it happens once, twice or even three times, but honestly were well into 20 odd times doing different things. It does become slightly frustrating especially when your fair and reliable. I've played in loads of leagues and tournaments and I've never known anybody with such little respect ever.

[NeoKubrick]

I'm chilled about it, but I've never know anyone take the piss so bad. And renegadeds has had exactly the same, so its not both of us. This guy is a total plank with no respect at all for his fellow competitors.

Fair enough if it happens once, twice or even three times, but honestly were well into 20 odd times doing different things. It does become slightly frustrating especially when your fair and reliable. I've played in loads of leagues and tournaments and I've never known anybody with such little respect ever.
He's done the same with me. I've sent him a couple of game invites, but he hasn't replied to either.

[KONSPIRACY]

SeorenStellljes has been removed from the PES6 Champions League

[Renegade]

SeorenStellljes has been removed from the PES6 Champions League

Fair enough - what happens now then?

[TURTLE ZED]

Good,better out than in as the saying goes. I've even sacrificed my possible qualification to stick up for how he has treated me and a some fellow competitors in here. Good riddance, it seriously was beyond a joke, and I'm glad the serious players can now compete in the right mannner with or without me.

[Renegade]

Who knows, if it goes to top four qualify, which it has every chance of doing - you will be through.

[KONSPIRACY]

Results and remaining fixtures updated. Please play all remaining games by Sunday 18th February. :cool:

[KONSPIRACY]

Group stage now closed. Thanks to everyone who took part and congratulations to the top 2 players from the group who progress to the next round :cool: