PGR4 Tourney?

[RoL StarScream]

Just wondering kon, is there a PGR4 Tourney being sorted soon? If not is there anychance you could organise 1, would be popular i reckon, cheers.

[KONSPIRACY]

No reason why not but I dont think its the most popular of games tbh.

[RoL StarScream]

Well thats understandable, because your right, well if we get enough people interested then can we do it? if enough arnt then you dont, is that fair? im sure alot of clans would be happy to get involved, my clans wanting to! as we have got a PGR4 team now.

[Roadpog]

u got VVV the alot of people that play Forza probably have PGR4 aswell so im guessing they'd probs come along :P

[RoL StarScream]

True True, PGR4 is more fun than forza tho! forza just seems too serious as where PGR4 is serious but you can have a good time on it aswell, thats why i asked it for that particular racing game, hope it does happen tho, my teams got alot to prove :)

[Innes]

Now this is a tourney I'd participate in.

[KONSPIRACY]

How many players do you think you could get?

[Roadpog]

u could possibly get over 20 id say im not sayin exact but theres quite a few that play it i mean id play

[RoL StarScream]

well i suppose its depending on how many people per team, if you want a single player tourney then i suppose about 20, but if you did doubles it might make it a bit more exciting and someone to work with so i dunno 10 teams!!? not sure, all you can do is advertise around the place, you have 3 people who are interested allready and my 3 guys will be, so thats 6. i would even help organise if need be, as i have orgainsed b4, but i reckon it would be popular and would work.

[Innes]

Well, i'd play; my brother too, i'll ask him if he can persuade any of his FL to join matchbox.

[KONSPIRACY]

What format would you suggest for singles/doubles? Be as specific as you like.

Also we could do with additional staff for PGR4 if you play the game regularly and know the game pretty well...I admit I lost interest in the game shortly I completed platinum on PGR3.

[Innes]

What i think should be done is;

Singles, - some sort of multiple group then top 2/3 go to knock-out format?

Allow both bikes and cars, either gear type (automatic/manual), any class.

Simple streetrace, each group is a race; 5 races? some sort of point system, e.g.

1st: 3 points
2nd: 2 points
3rd: 1 point

Top 3 seeds after all 5 races move into a knock-out stage (giving 12 people if their are 20 people). This next bit is hard for me to explain so i'll try my best.)


Group A:
person 1a
person 2a
person 3a
person 4a
person 5a

Group B:
person 1b
person 2b
person 3b
person 4b
person 5b

Group C:
person 1c
person 2c
person 3c
person 4c
person 5c

Group D:
person 1d
person 2d
person 3d
person 4d
person 5d


So lets say after the 5 races the 12 that got through are;

person 1a
person 2a
person 3a

person 1b
person 2b
person 3b

person 1c
person 2c
person 3c

person 1d
person 2d
person 3d

then, this is the fairist i could make the next races (in 1 minute) but you can change this, but you get the idea.

person 1a
person 3b
person 2c

person 3a
person 2b
person 3c

person 2a
person 1b
person 1c

Once again, best of 5 street races(with point system), winner of each race goes through to final;

person 1c
person 2b
person 1a

Another 5 street races, with point system, winner and runner up are revealed.


Thats how i think it should be run, but i've not run a comp before, so you can change it, as you'll know best.

As for tracks, it can go to a vote? first they chose the city, then they chose the track; weather should stay fully sunny, all the way through to keep it fair.


Thats my 2 cents..

[Roadpog]

Singles would work well but if u do doubles ud probably get a better clan base action and probs more people attend with mates but id prefer teams to singles but u know try one if loads of interest u could do both i think a mixture of weather types would work 1 race for everyone on each weather or two on sunny two on rain

[Innes]

Ah i like the idea of having 1 different weather per race.

[Roadpog]

it'd make it more interesting and make the players have to think more :P

[RoL StarScream]

i prefere the sound of doubles tbh, would work well, and i like the sound of differnt weathers each game! would really test the team work and abilitys of the players out there, just need to decide how were gonna plan and do this, my personal ideas are:

3 rounds per match, 1- Street Race, 1 Elimination, 1- Long Street Race- like nurenburg for instance- (if thats how u spell it), this can be for the group stages.

so you have 8 groups, with 4 teams in each group

so:

Group A
Team 1
Team 2
Team 3
Team 4

e.c.t would all play eachother once, the 2 top teams go through based on wins and also Kudos- so when reporting the score you report the wins you had plus the amount of kudos over the 3 games.

how does that sound? any other ideas?

[RoL StarScream]

What format would you suggest for singles/doubles? Be as specific as you like.

Also we could do with additional staff for PGR4 if you play the game regularly and know the game pretty well...I admit I lost interest in the game shortly I completed platinum on PGR3.

PGR4 is very different though, it handles different and the game play seems very unlike PGR3, plus i think its more fun, and yea id be happy to help out in the tourney, i know the maps off by heart, i dnt play it all the time but ive had alot of gaming on it to know PGR, if i am staff does that mean i cant play tho? cause i would still want to! lol

this sounds really good tho and even some of the members in my clan who dnt have the game anymore would buy it again to participate. so could be really good

[KONSPIRACY]

We dont have silly rules like staff cant play in tournaments at XL or online! lol :D

[Roadpog]

it would be a good game of choice tbh i might even get it back to practice again :P

[RoL StarScream]

We dont have silly rules like staff cant play in tournaments at XL or online! lol :D

good good! coz thats what X.League do! lol, dnt get me wrong they arnt bad there but comon, not letting staff play!? unfair! lol

[RoL StarScream]

anyways, back to the subject, what are we gonna do?
we need to decide what maps were gonna have
doubles or singles?
how many teams we can get?
how many rounds per game were going to have

i really could do with ideas from gamers who play PGR4, would probably help, seeming they would know what they would want, i dont want to give them some rubbish map and everyone hate it, i know we can defo have the nurenburg track as one of the maps, the longest one! thats allways a good challange, we just need 2 more, if were going to do 3 maps that is....

[KONSPIRACY]

Get me a set format n I'll open registration.

[Roadpog]

http://pgrnations.com/ united kingdom at top x] in other topic err
i say Doubles tbh more fun to watch but probs more will attend singles and i say a track from las vegas a track from london and one lap of huge nurburgring dont mind which track on london on vegas tho :P

[RoL StarScream]

right okay that sounds good, London, Vegas and nurburgring, they are good places, and also is this a online tourney or a XL tourney, now i dnt know what you think but mabey we should do this as online to start off with, as we dnt know how many people are going to be interested do we? if theres plenty then we can think about XL, what you think? and yea i will set out a set format by 2moro Kon.

[Roadpog]

yea try online first if alot of interest id do it at XL then no point going straight XL and getting no interest for it at all.

[RoL StarScream]

right. ive got the group stages half sorted guys, heres my rough copy of it, the knockout stages will come soon after, tell me what you think please:

Group Stage - Team Doubles

No. of groups: 8, 32 Teams, 64 Players
No. of rounds per match - 3 rounds (have to play all 3 rounds due to kudos)
No. of games per team in group stage: 3, 1 game per week
Maps and Round: R1- London, R2- Vegas, R3- Nurburgring
Game Mode: London - Street Race, Vegas - Street Race, Nur- Elimination
SR Laps: x4
Weather- R1- Snow, R2- Fog, R3- Sun
Car Class- R1- Car and Bike- Class B, R2- Bike- Class B, R3 - Car- Class A
Collisions- On

any else i can add guys?? please let me know, cheers

[Innes]

any else i can add guys?? please let me know, cheers

I'd prefer having open classes, and allow the choice of both bike and cars in all races.


But that's just me, wait for other folks opinions.

[Roadpog]

yea i see what u mean but what if they just choose bikes all the time proves nothing i like the way its set up but instead of fog have Rain?

[Innes]

Yeah i hate fog, i vote rain.


Yeah, but, i can't see why allowing bikes in all races aswel as cars would be a bad thing, after all, their is always a car to match the bikes stats.

Personally, i always use the Road Leagal F1 or the GSXR-1000, so i'd like the option to chose either bike or car in all races. Plus bikes in the rain/ice is hard, so it'd show great skill to pull off a win.

[Roadpog]

yea but its good how when u look at it car or bike first race then bike then car so u do get a choice its better like that i think just give a variety

[RoL StarScream]

okay i chose to do it so you have different choices, meaning one game is just cars and then another is just bikes- purely because in races you normally tend to get people knocking people off bikes- unfair! and also if they are restircted to a certain automobile, such as in one race they are only allowed to use a McLaren F1, then this tests everyones abilities, ecspecially if they hate the car, anyways i have come up with a set format for the whole tourney, i cnt post it all 2day as i have forgot all the paper work, but i will be able to put down the system of what games- so i have said what will happen in the groups but after is the knockouts, semis and quaters and finals, so heres what i have done:

Group A's Team 1 will play against Group E's Team 2
Group A's Team 2 will play against Group E's Team 1

and its the same for every other group so...

Group B vs Group F
Group C vs Group G
Group D Bs Group H

understand that format? for the Quater-final it will be randomised to make it fair
then the Semis will be like this:

from whatever team is playing who in the quaters so for example

if Team 1 is Playing Team 2
and Team 3 is Playing Team 4

who ever wins that game will play the other team who wins in that group of 4, so say Team 1 and 4 win their games they will play one another in the semis.

then the finals is obvious.

i hope thats understanderble, is that ok for you guys ro would you like in run in a different style like the CoD4 tourney is ran:

where you have normal group games and then Lower Bracket games?

i will post up Cars and Weather and also Maps 2moro!! also do you guys want Collisions on?

[RoL StarScream]

right heres some more of the details starting with the knockouts and quaters:

Knockouts:

Maps: R1- Newyork- Park to tillary, R2 Petersberg- Moika Turns, R3- Quebec- La Grande Allee

Weather: R1- Icey, R2- Heavy Fog, R3- Storm

Cars: R1- Lambourghini Concept, R2- Cars and Bikes- Class C only, R3 Cars only- Class B

Game Modes: R1 Street R, R2- Street R, R3- Elimination

Quaters:

Maps: R1 Tokyo- Shinjuku skyscraper, R2- London- Tourist Twist, R3- Macau- Avenda De M.Baptista

Weather: R1- Clear, R2- Light Rain, R3- Cloudy

Cars- R1- Cars only Class A, R2- bikes only Class A, R3- Car- Atom Only

more to follow 2moro, please suggest things if you want. :)

[KONSPIRACY]

Surely a single player tournament would be better as I dont think they'll be that many sign ups?

[Innes]

Surely a single player tournament would be better as I dont think they'll be that many sign ups?

Yeah i'd prefer singles too.

[RoL StarScream]

we can do singles, i dnt mind, i just thought it would be more clan based that way.

[KONSPIRACY]

Knock up some singles rules if you could please. If there is sufficient demand then we can look at doing a team event in future but makes sense to get the ball rolling with a single players tournament.

[RoL StarScream]

the rules could be exatly the same- meaning cars and that, but would just mean we could put more people into a race, so we can keep weathers n cars e.c.t and i will get up a event stage- like cod4 has- Lower bracket, higher bracket! would that work you think? no point doing 1v1- do groups of like 8 mabey and get them racing so many matches again one another in a table kind of thing? ideas?

[Innes]

Knock up some singles rules if you could please. If there is sufficient demand then we can look at doing a team event in future but makes sense to get the ball rolling with a single players tournament.

the rules could be exatly the same- meaning cars and that, but would just mean we could put more people into a race, so we can keep weathers n cars e.c.t and i will get up a event stage- like cod4 has- Lower bracket, higher bracket! would that work you think? no point doing 1v1- do groups of like 8 mabey and get them racing so many matches again one another in a table kind of thing? ideas?


mine was along the lines of that

[RoL StarScream]

Right... sorry for the delay of the rules, been very busy with the clan recently.

anyways with regarding to this tourney i have come up with this:

PGR4 Solo FFA

this will contail 4 people per group, the main aim of gamers is around 32, if its less then we can still do it, but Xleagues PGR4 Tourney has managed to get 32 so theres no reason why we can't.

anyway

32 = 8 Groups of 4
2 players from each group go through each round.
3 games per round.
winners go to winners bracket, Losers go to Losers bracket.

so....

R1- 8 Groups.

WB
R2- 4 Groups
R3- 2 Groups
R4- 1 Group
--------
LB

R2- 4 Groups
R3- 4 Groups
R4- 2 Groups
R5- 1 Group

2 WB Winners + 2 LB Winners - 1 Group- Semi Final
2 Winners in a 1v1 Final
1 Winner

the maps, wether and cars/bikes will be exactly the same in which i have posted above.

except the Semis and Final, as they havent been posted- but i will post up later today.
collisions will be on.

what do you think of this? i decided its probably the best way, as groups of 4- with 1v1 could get repetitive and also not much fun. as 4 with FFA, gives a bit of competition.

i personally like the sound of this idea. anyone?

[Bushmouseone]

Are collisions and Braking Lines on?

[RoL StarScream]

im sure theres no breaking lines on PGR4, thats Forza i think mate, and yea Collisions will be on. unless everyone would preferre them off.

[DinnyHoon]

I'd say turn collisions off, just like we have done in previous racing leagues. As for a tournament, I don't think enough people will sign up to support the tournament structure. The Forza league started with 32 registrants, half of which never showed up. Halfway through, only 7 or 8 people were bothering to show up for each round. I'd rather see a run-of-the mill 8 week league, tbh.

[RoL StarScream]

well its upto kon tbh, X-league seem to have managed to get 32 players quite nicely. i wouldnt know what would happen. i think the main element was really just a tester to see if we could get enough for other tournaments, as it stand this whole idea could be dumped seeming i have had no replys to what kon thinks yet. (and collisions has been taken off)
its hard, i know plent of people who would want to play its just as you say, they might not even turn up!

[KONSPIRACY]

Best thing to do is get registration open n see how it goes tbh. The Xtival event we did went pretty well so as long as theres enough ppl interested there wont be any problems.

Also collisions off always works better for online tournaments as it avoids a lot of potential arguments! lol :D

[DinnyHoon]

Yeah, just look at the last match in the XLeague Forza 2 effort. FiveOh had won the first three, and Leigh had won 2, and was half a lap from his 3rd victory, which would have made it a TRC whitewash. But Craig bloody Senna was up to his dirty tricks for the millionth time in that round, and spun Leigh out right at the death to cheat his way to a TSF 1-2 at the Sebring. Cheating *******s.

tl;dr - no collisons = good.

[KONSPIRACY]

/moved thread to online events

[Xceptional]

You could just set this tournament up the way the tournaments in the game are set up.

1 track, X people have X minutes to put in a lap time.

Group 1. 1st, 5th, 9th etc
Group 2. 2nd, 6th, 10th etc
Group 3. 3rd, 7th, 11th etc Quarter finals
Group 4. 4th, 8th, 12th etc

Group 1 top four from groups 1 and 3
Group 2 top four from groups 2 and 4 Semi final

Group 1 top four from semi finals 1 and 2 finals

Tracks should be randomly generated. collisions on. wallbash and shiftglitch allowed

Thats just my opinion

Entry £10

1st place £100
2nd place £50
3rd place £25 these prizes are determined by how many people play

[P1R Karter]

Xcxeptional, How would you be able to tell who went quickest? People would lie unless you do it through Time Attack but some people might have done it in a faster car than chosen first. It would have to be randomly selected groups. Pick out the hat?

[SykZ]

I'd defo enter it and I could get a couple others too aswell.

[Xceptional]

Xcxeptional, How would you be able to tell who went quickest? People would lie unless you do it through Time Attack but some people might have done it in a faster car than chosen first. It would have to be randomly selected groups. Pick out the hat?

What i put was just a foundation to work with. Of course if people actually turn up/sign up to do this tournament then i would give alot more detail into what needs to be done here and there. This tournaments not looking too likely but i will check back to see whats happening

[KONSPIRACY]

We're going to wait for our new software before doing anything with this...but have a feeling the interest in PGR4 could die out even more soon with the release of GRID.

[Mellow]

We'll definitely have our Reason racing representative(s) enter either a GRID or Gotham tournament.

I don't like the idea of a upper and lower bracket for an FFA tournament though because the point of a Double Elim bracket is to aware the more consistent teams/players which only really works in a 1v1 (or Team v Team) situation.