Call of Duty 4 FFA Discussion

[KONSPIRACY]

The online MatchBox360 Call of Duty 4 FFA will start on Wednesday 13th February.

Registration is open now!!!

You may register here: >>> COD4 FFA REGISTRATION <<<
(http://community.matchbox360.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5229)
Please use this thread for any related discussion.

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[HeXBLiTz]

Sweet This gna be strike and XL rules or just W/e class's and wepons you have.

[Reason EuPhoRia]

Just wondering is there any prizes for this or is it just a random fun tourney?
Thanks

[KONSPIRACY]

There will be prizes for this provided by XL.

[Wicked_Slim_Shady]

What are the rules? as far as maps, weapon restriction, hosting, map rules, rounds etc...etc... go.

Also will we have to D/L a XL game map & rules like we all did for the Halo 3 FFA.

Cheers,

[KONSPIRACY]

The rules will be similar to the online 5v5 with perks and air support off. I will make a decision on the map and publish all rules within the next week.

If you feel there is a better map than Strike for FFA then feel free to have your say.

[Reason EuPhoRia]

Every I've joined/played it's been Strike! Would be good practise for XL

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah whatever map is used will be the same for this tournament online and for XL.

TBH I really cant think of a better map than Strike for COD4 FFA as all other maps tend to favour shotguns or close range sprayage. I play a lot of FFA myself and the only other options that could be considered are Backlot, District and Crash...but they are not as good as Strike IMO.

[hazman]

all other maps tend to favour shotguns or close range sprayage.

...but the shotgun and close range guns (mp5 etc) are in the default classes so it's still realy part of the game and what to expect in xl.

Personally is dislike strike, it gives too much to players who favour camping.

Personally i think district is better than strike. There are minimal places to camp up with snipers, and the good spots are considerabley open anyway, making it a more equal playing field. Plus there is a mix of areas for mid/long/and close range combat.

But Backlot is the best FFA map IMO. There are places to facilitate snipers well, but this is evened out by the fact that they leave you vunerable to get there (eg the third level of the centre building that you have to jump out of the window to get to). Theres a long road on the far left for mid/long range and numerous buildings for other combat.

Strike is very wide open with little cover, making the game more random because where you spawn.

edit: oh ambush is quite good aswell. Will perks be on?

[KONSPIRACY]

Just because close range weapons are available in the default classes for system link doesnt mean we should choose a map that encourages their use over weapons that actually require you to aim.

The reasons you have stated why you prefer District or Backlot are applicable to Strike as well and vice versa. It basically comes down to how you play FFA and personal preference (for example: I personally think ambush is a terrible FFA map and you can rack up kills for an easy win by simply camping/staying at the rear at either side of the map).

Perks and air support will be off, and there will be no weapon restrictions other than grenade launcher + RPG for online.

[caMper ch1ef]

i think that crossfire is a good ffa map, well balanced. and please no guilie maps

[HeXBLiTz]

Imo Strike is most played as its what XL3 used, But i think its eather Stike or Backlot perhaps Countdown or anouther Openish map say Showdown perhap(im thinking cemetrical with less place's to hide/camp.

showdown might not be good coz it might be easy to spawn watch as there is very few spawn locations on that map.

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah Backlot, District and Strike are the best FFA maps, but Countdown would end up being a campfest around the edges of map/hangers and Showdown is simply terrible.

For me Strike is best as it offers the best variety of strats for FFA as action is generally spread all over the map and encourgaes movement. Backlot, District and Crash are ok but they tend to be pretty campy.

[hazman]

I found strike to be pretty campy. Like the main road which has the monument square on the right of it has like 10 alcoves which are very easy to get to and makes it too easy to pick off stragglers who wonder on to the main road.
Its kinda too big, like you could be at one side of the map for the whole game and only have battles with people who spawn neerby.
Backlot suits FFA best imo.
Crash i think has too many indoor areas to b exploited, for instance the shop to the south with the two floors that overlooks the crash site is so easy to own from, but then again iv'e only experienced that with a uav on.

Oh yeah how will the hosting be decided?

(Oh yeah and showdown is awefull, you can spawn about 4 foot from another person its rediculous).

[uG I PegSe]

im well gutted, im on holiday from the 8th of Febuary to 26th Febuary, so i miss the start, was really hoping to get some practice in for XL :D......but anyway, good luck to you all and may the noobies COD player win haha

[Reason EuPhoRia]

I found strike to be pretty campy. Like the main road which has the monument square on the right of it has like 10 alcoves which are very easy to get to and makes it too easy to pick off stragglers who wonder on to the main road.
Its kinda too big, like you could be at one side of the map for the whole game and only have battles with people who spawn neerby.
Backlot suits FFA best imo.
Crash i think has too many indoor areas to b exploited, for instance the shop to the south with the two floors that overlooks the crash site is so easy to own from, but then again iv'e only experienced that with a uav on.

Oh yeah how will the hosting be decided?

(Oh yeah and showdown is awefull, you can spawn about 4 foot from another person its rediculous).

Every good FFA map has some kind of camping spots

I noticed you mentioned snipers camping it up in spots on FFA
A sniper wouldn't even place top 5 in a good FFA match, no matter how hard he camped

[SqR L1GhTz]

i think crash would be good but if its strike i aint complaining

[HeXBLiTz]

:O How can people say Showdown is awfull? it s semetrical has Open are/Court yard elovated positions aswell and areas to take cover imo that there makes it a beast of a Map for FFA and Ballanced competitive Team ****.

hopefully the extra spawns patch is out b4 this starts so all maps can be fully tested.


Strike is campy Top room above statue and C Domination Building/The building thats C Dom spawn end of the map on the ally that leads from spawn to spawn all get camped to **** on Strike

[KONSPIRACY]

Quite easy tbh mate...

Showdown is an awful FFA map.

I play a LOT of FFA on a daily basis and Showdown is one of the worst maps for FFA...just because its symmetrical doesnt make it a good FFA map! lol :D

Rear courtyards encourage spawn kills, left/right blocks make movement around map a pain the arse, courtyard is dead ground and inside walkways are the only decent areas for movement. Map naturally encourages use of spray weapons. Quite simply its very restrictive and random.

[hazman]

Every good FFA map has some kind of camping spots

I noticed you mentioned snipers camping it up in spots on FFA
A sniper wouldn't even place top 5 in a good FFA match, no matter how hard he camped
True, i disreguard snipers in FFA. But i was trying to emphisise the considerable abundance of effective camping spots in strike, more so than other maps (eg district where its easier to punish campers).

Quite easy tbh mate...

Showdown is an awful FFA map.

I play a LOT of FFA on a daily basis and Showdown is one of the worst maps for FFA...just because its symmetrical doesnt make it a good FFA map! lol :D

Couldn't agree more, and unless it gets skipped on ffa i dont care im spawn camping in the two court yards, i don't care, don't blame me blame IW, it's the only way i can keep my k/d respectable. Also their is rediculous air supremecy on showdown (on matchmaking that is)

[KONSPIRACY]

Personally I find the best way to rack up kills on Showdown is dominating the top walk ways with M16 and picking off anything that moves including the top access to side streets and rear side courtyard...as a result I'd be providing you with cannon fodder when they respawn rear courtyard! lol :D

Showdown sucks balls.

[hazman]

I don't even know what it looks like indoor on showdown, i patrol one corner from a side courtyard, and if timed right you can catch people in between spawns, so i run back so a guy spawns, then walk to a far courtyard and sum1 else spawns there, its just rediculous.
Why did they add it to the ffa rotation, shipment would be a better ffa choise, at least its a laff.

[Iduckm4n Dr4k3I]

Shipment!!! Lol

[Nuked]

my opinion on showdown is that its wank for ffa, domination and very good for SnD

[caMper ch1ef]

tbh: strike crash crossfire and please no guilie maps. then we are doomed to have alot of camping. and that is no good

[5thElemNt]

Strike is one of few maps on call of duty 4 that is well balanced for all game types. looking forward to it. Beast.

[hazman]

tbh: strike crash crossfire and please no guilie maps. then we are doomed to have alot of camping. and that is no good

Ghillie suits stand out badly anyway, theyre always alot dareker than the grass is, bloc and overgrown are ok for ffa, duno bout countdown though.

[caMper ch1ef]

agreed.

[infeXious]

Ghillie suits aren't that easy to spot if the sniper is completely still.

Strike is a good map, I just don't like the fact that it doesn't really cater well for close-to-mid range weapons like the MP5. It's so wide and spread out (with few close sections) that mid-to-long range weapons (M16) reign supreme.

If I had to vote, I'd say Backlot first then Strike second.

Showdown, Countdown, Wet Work = Trash on FFA (might have missed one....)

[caMper ch1ef]

you missed overgrown.. but still please no guilie maps.

[KONSPIRACY]

Strike is a good map, I just don't like the fact that it doesn't really cater well for close-to-mid range weapons like the MP5. It's so wide and spread out (with few close sections) that mid-to-long range weapons (M16) reign supreme.

Exactly. Why would you even want to consider using a map that encourages the use of close range weapons like the MP5 and P90? Surely having Strike which actually encourages ppl to aim than spray is the sensible option in a tournament which is supposed to reward and find the players with the most skill?

...and yes, I'm saying it takes very little skill to use an MP5 and P90!

[HeXBLiTz]

Exactly. Why would you even want to consider using a map that encourages the use of close range weapons like the MP5 and P90? Surely having Strike which actually encourages ppl to aim than spray is the sensible option in a tournament which is supposed to reward and find the players with the most skill?

...and yes, I'm saying it takes very little skill to use an MP5 and P90!

Meh who needs skill i've won plenty of FFA's on strike with perks off useing a P90 or MP5 if you utalise your area and chose a wepons to suite it your gna get kills, hell i've seen plenty of people kill cross map with SMG's when the other guy had a M16, and peopel with M16's on Vacant and other small maps rapeing the **** out of peopel useing SMG's and shotguns so it all comes down to what Gun your good at useing not the Map.

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah I've seen ppl use P90s as snipers across the map on Bloc ffs! lmao :D

[QS x Stevoal]

Yeah the best 2 maps for FFA are Strike and District. Very similar maps in ways. People can use M16's or P90's/Mp5, just what ur comfortable with and the spots u use. Strike was never grumbled about in XL3 so think it should be used again.

[KONSPIRACY]

I know a few ppl didnt enter cos they didnt like Strike, but with the game only just being released, I think it was more that they didnt understand the weapon class restrictions and the suitability of the weapons available more than anything else tbh.

[Adamack]

I don't mind what the ffa map is but strike seemed really good at Xl3 and that was the first time I played it. Keep strike imo

[dys0n89]

Countdown- Open map, can't hide much, more skill based than tactical, strike has to many spots to hide in.

[KONSPIRACY]

Countdown- Open map, can't hide much, more skill based than tactical, strike has to many spots to hide in.
Sorry mate but nothing much to say other than "lol" :D

[Nuked]

Countdown- Open map, can't hide much, more skill based than tactical, strike has to many spots to hide in.

as learned from xleague tourney countdown has way too many obstacles to hide behind. long range fire fights r very limited

[KONSPIRACY]

Play on Countdown FFA is pretty confined to outside of map, camping in hangers springs to mind and the path between downed chopper/crates...not much happens in middle of map or on "snipe" side.

[hazman]

Exactly. Why would you even want to consider using a map that encourages the use of close range weapons like the MP5 and P90? Surely having Strike which actually encourages ppl to aim than spray is the sensible option in a tournament which is supposed to reward and find the players with the most skill?

...and yes, I'm saying it takes very little skill to use an MP5 and P90!

So the only options that leaves is the m16 and g3/g36c? (You can use lmg's but they have awefull mobility).
Well if you want to go against maps that cater to less skilled weapons then mid-long range maps are a no no, as I've recently realised that the m16 requires VERY little skill. (iv'e tested this). Without stopping power, a single bust in the foot or hand is a kill. So with that in mind the mp5 requires more skill than the m16.

(also try using the mp5 on all levels and youl realise it's a difficult to work, ie trying to shoot close-mid range there is alot of recoil even when bursted.)

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah I've completed all weapons on prestige about 5 times so I know how the MP5 works (most of which is has been done playing FFA). The ideal map is something that all weapons can be used on effectively on...unfortunately I dont think that exists on COD4 so IMO the next best alternative is Strike.

Which map do you prefer for FFA yourself Haz?

[hazman]

Personally i realy like backlot, its not too big, it allows for a big range of battles from long to close range. Yes the mg's are broken, but they are mounted, stationary and make alot of noise making you vunerable. Any high vantage spots need you to compramise yourself to get them. I just think it's less open.

I totaly agree with the close range spraying, but any way you look at it theres going to be some sort of CQC, weather it be by knife or smg. My main quaral with strike is the fact that most of the areas are open, with zero cover apart from cars, which make for crap cover. Even though a skilled player can shoot accuratley, a skilled player can also utilise cover, its kinda hard to utilise cover when it isn't there :p

[KONSPIRACY]

Obviously depends how you move, use your surroundings and sprint...if you're going run down the street like a n00b in a fire fight then expect to get shot in the head! ;)

Also depends what perspective you have on "cover"...if "cover" to you means you can hide and rack up the kills from camping an area then I'm happy that Strike doesnt have any "cover". Personally I think Strike has plenty of "cover" the way I play the game, but each to his own.

[infeXious]

I view cover not as camping spots where you're somewhat protected, but obstacles that allow you to survive when moving from A-B really.

As you said before Kon, naturally it'd be stupid to run across the main road in Strike because you'll likely get killed because of the wide-space/lack of cover - I'm guessing that'll be a remote area during the FFA - this best describes one of the few main areas with lack of cover. In comparison to Backlot or District, there's nowhere where you "cannot" go because there's almost always some form of cover you can utilise to prevent getting shot to death (providing you have good movement).

As I said, there's no doubt Strike is one of the best FFA maps, one reason being because it caters particularly well for mid-range firefights (which arguably are what most of the weapons in the game are made for) and is pretty wide-spread (so camping will get you nowhere). But for a Tournament where all-round individual skill is concerned, Backlot just naturally pops into my mind because it doesn't restrict players to Mid/Long-Range Assault Rilfes to win (namingly M16).

P90 = No skill - I think we can all agree.
G36C = Requires skill to be effective
MP5 = No skill close range/requires skill mid-range
M16 = Skilless also (Aim, 1-2 bursts, Death close-long range) / Requires aiming mid-long range

That's my 2 cents as they say. But regardless of the map, I'll be taking part anyways :P

[hazman]

Obviously depends how you move, use your surroundings and sprint...if you're going run down the street like a n00b in a fire fight then expect to get shot in the head! ;)

Also depends what perspective you have on "cover"...if "cover" to you means you can hide and rack up the kills from camping an area then I'm happy that Strike doesnt have any "cover". Personally I think Strike has plenty of "cover" the way I play the game, but each to his own.

By cover i mean what infexious said, something i can maby go prone behind, like a stone blockade or a wall, so i can regenrate health from a fire fight, relocate and then try and kill my enemy. This is very absent from strike, even in close range areas (e.g the market) the cover is flimsy and can be shot through with low calibour bullets. Wheras in district and backlot there are tin walls, walls of buildings, concrete blockades and places where you can regroup your self, reload, regenerate and then continue.

Strike is very good, but i think its the poorer choise of the three main FFA maps.

[KONSPIRACY]

Thats exactly what I mean by cover too, but on Strike you have to use corners/walls/building features/cars...pretty much the same as Backlot and District but the street areas are more open compared to the tight walkways of those maps.

Personally I find all 3 are similar and play, but they increase in size from Backlot to District to Strike.

[hazman]

Thats exactly what I mean by cover too, but on Strike you have to use corners/walls/building features/cars...pretty much the same as Backlot and District but the street areas are more open compared to the tight walkways of those maps.

Personally I find all 3 are similar and play, but they increase in size from Backlot to District to Strike.

Size doesn't matter kon :p


Will it b 8 man ffa? if so then choosing the biggest of the 3 isn't the best suit IMO.

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah it will be 8 player FFA, but for online some groups may vary depending on how many players register.

[KONSPIRACY]

Ok, a final decision has to be made on this so heres my reasons for not chosing Backlot and District for FFA...

Backlot: the smallest of the 3 maps being discussed, it is also the most campy with action/movement concentrated down the 2 main walkways and the buildings providing higher vantage points. Similar to District, there is rarely any action in centre of map. It is also very easy to spawn kill.

District: action is usually restricted to the 2 main streets and the gas station area. Middle of map is barely used so FFA tends to be repetitive with battles for control of the corners of the map.

There is no ideal map for FFA on COD4, however with its size and variety of styles of play that can be effectively used, Strike will remain as the choice for COD4 FFA online and at XL.

[Nuked]

keep strike,

m16 does take skill without perks. try having an m16 fight cross map, and getting a 2 hit kill, beleive me it takes alot of skill

[Nuked]

Yeah I've completed all weapons on prestige about 5 times so I know how the MP5 works (most of which is has been done playing FFA). The ideal map is something that all weapons can be used on effectively on...unfortunately I dont think that exists on COD4 so IMO the next best alternative is Strike.

Which map do you prefer for FFA yourself Haz?

sorry for the dub post, but i actually think thats completely wrong, all maps cater for shotguns, SMGs, assaults and snipers, name a map that doesnt have penty of inclosed buildings and open streets too snipe, use ur assaults?

can i ask the limit of players in a game? any more than 8 on strike gets **** and starts too mess up the spawns

[Reason EuPhoRia]

Wow people these days

Name another weapon that takes more skill and is, in general, better than the M16

Of course the M16 kills in a few bursts with stopping power, thats how CALL OF DUTY works.
I've played with Perks off a lot of times and it is very differently to without,probably a little fairer to all.
But you can NEVER say for sure that an M16 wihtout Perks is going to kill in one or two bursts

Yeah maybe if the guy is standing still but when people are moving and on Live, bullets tend to spread out much more compared to being on Host/LAN

M16's obviously need much more skill than any SMG's.
On a good map like Strike, a good M16er will easily beat a good MP5 userif they both run and gun of course

[KONSPIRACY]

@ nuked - I guarantee that if you run round with a shotgun, snipe or smg on Strike, District or Backlot you will not win a single game of FFA against half decent players. Obviously you can use whatever weapons you like on those maps if you like and use tactics that best suit that weapon, but you've gotta pretty stupid to do so. Do the same on Vacant or Showdown n you're in with at least half a chance.

COD4 FFA at XL will be 8 players, but for online it may vary slightly depending on total number of sign ups.

[hazman]

Wow people these days

Name another weapon that takes more skill and is, in general, better than the M16

Of course the M16 kills in a few bursts with stopping power, thats how CALL OF DUTY works.
I've played with Perks off a lot of times and it is very differently to without,probably a little fairer to all.
But you can NEVER say for sure that an M16 wihtout Perks is going to kill in one or two bursts

M16's obviously need much more skill than any SMG's.
On a good map like Strike, a good M16er will easily beat a good MP5 userif they both run and gun of course

A full 3 bullet burst to any part of the body kills without stopping power ...full stop. I am a frequent m16 user, so i'm not trying to sh1t on your favourite gun, and yes if you go on ffa and use one without stoping power ull see that most ov ur kills won't kill in one hit on the first shot, but thats because of lag.
I'm not doubting your knowlege of lan and lag, but it is horendously easy to make a full burst connect without lag, so imo it is unskilled, and strike caters to this.

And @ kon, that is a fair decision, even though i would prefer other maps, i do like strike for ffa and would have been on of my top three maps. I apretiate that it's hard to pick a map with a poor range to choose from.

[HeXBLiTz]

meh strikes ok but most goo dplayers with sense take refuge inside a building and pick off people moving about the very open road and ally area's (theres only like 4 good buildings/vantage points) so the 4 players who controll those win.

and you could be up one of the map for 5 mines and see 1 person while everyone seems to spawn the other end you then move to the other end and everyone spawns where you just wer!.

Sumone mentioned Backlot and its not a bad idea seems like you can have a good mix of close and mid/long range battles and depending on your play style depends on the wepon choice you make ex M16 for thos wo like to pic of kills, SMG for those who like to get in close area's and get stuck in, Snipers who like to wait for those perfect chance's

[hazman]

meh strikes ok but most goo dplayers with sense take refuge inside a building and pick off people moving about the very open road and ally area's (theres only like 4 good buildings/vantage points) so the 4 players who controll those win.


That was my point, but the argument against it was that you have to be stupid to run along the main road. While this is true it provokes tentative and weary gameplay, making people play more reactivley, than proactivley, which makes for boaring and campy games.

[HeXBLiTz]

To be fair the Lack of FFA i play in opti-match i prolly dont care what map it is on, aslong as i can kill people regulary i dont mind

[Nuked]

A full 3 bullet burst to any part of the body kills without stopping power ...full stop. I am a frequent m16 user, so i'm not trying to sh1t on your favourite gun, and yes if you go on ffa and use one without stoping power ull see that most ov ur kills won't kill in one hit on the first shot, but thats because of lag.
I'm not doubting your knowlege of lan and lag, but it is horendously easy to make a full burst connect without lag, so imo it is unskilled, and strike caters to this.

And @ kon, that is a fair decision, even though i would prefer other maps, i do like strike for ffa and would have been on of my top three maps. I apretiate that it's hard to pick a map with a poor range to choose from.

have u played with all perks OFF, not just replecing stopping power with another perk,

[Reason EuPhoRia]

A full 3 bullet burst to any part of the body kills without stopping power ...full stop. I am a frequent m16 user, so i'm not trying to sh1t on your favourite gun, and yes if you go on ffa and use one without stoping power ull see that most ov ur kills won't kill in one hit on the first shot, but thats because of lag.
I'm not doubting your knowlege of lan and lag, but it is horendously easy to make a full burst connect without lag, so imo it is unskilled, and strike caters to this.

And @ kon, that is a fair decision, even though i would prefer other maps, i do like strike for ffa and would have been on of my top three maps. I apretiate that it's hard to pick a map with a poor range to choose from.

You said all that but you failed to mention another gun more skillful than it..
There isn't any. It seems your more against the way Call of duty works compared to the weapons because COD was always based around a few shot kills

CoD2 - The kar98k was a ONE shot weapon..Are you going to tell me it wasn't skillful?

Anyway I've played enough clan matches and FFA's to know what if a guy is running (which is always happening) 95% of the time you will only kill him with 2+bursts. Thats because of the bullets spreading out on Live but it's equal for everyone (Except the host)


Now your saying that on LAN the M16 will even be more unskilled..Well unfortunatly that will be the same with every weapon.
Every weapon on CoD4 will seem "more powerful" on LAN because the bullets wont spread out and basically everyone's on host.


The reason why the M16 is my favourite weapon because
a) Its the most effective non spray weapon
b) Its the dominating weapon of the game (unless your going to count publics)
c) since everyone (good) uses it in clan matches and serious games, the faster more accurate person comes out on top

btw there's alot more wrong with your post but cba explaining eg. "A full 3 bullet burst to any part of the body kills without stopping power ...full stop." just wow no

[infeXious]

have u played with all perks OFF, not just replecing stopping power with another perk,

Are you saying an M16 with UAV Jammer will be more powerful than an M16 in a game with all perks off? I'm confused at your post.

Also to, Reason Euphoria namely G3, Pistols, M14, Snipers - basically every other non-sprayable weapon is more skilled than the M16, even some sprable ones at mid-range e.g. G36C.

In short, you, I and everyone in the CoD community knows, the M16 is an overpowered monster and makes all other weapons redundant on certain maps. Give a half decent person who can aim a "Red-Dot" the weapon and they'll rack up more kills with than gun than if they were using a G3, M14, G36C, Sniper (and in some instances even LMG). That's the reason I argued it's relatively unskilled (@ mid/close range). Long Range firefighters do however outline the more skillful, as composure/aim etc. become much harder. And aboviously for this reason...

a) Its the most effective non spray weapon
b) Its the dominating weapon of the game (unless your going to count publics)
c) Everyone (good) uses it in clan matches and serious games (because you're at a immediate disadvantage if you don't)

And just because a guns a one-shot/burst kill doesn't make it unskilled (Snipers for example). It's the possible one-burst kill (without SP) coupled with ridiculas range, the accuracy at range, and ease of aim with Red-dot that makes the gun relatively unskilled in comparison to other ARs to be more specific.

Well, after all this weapon debate I guess we know what weapon everyone's gonna be using in the online FFA :P

[hazman]

You said all that but you failed to mention another gun more skillful than it..
There isn't any.
btw there's alot more wrong with your post but cba explaining eg. "A full 3 bullet burst to any part of the body kills without stopping power ...full stop." just wow no

G3
MP44
M14
G36c
I could go on...
All take more skill than the m16 to use effectivley. Why do you think it is the first Ar that is available in the game.
It has little to no recoil, fires three accurate bullets in one trigger pull, leaving the gun to do most of the work, all you do is aim. Even sprayable guns take more skill at mid range (AK for instamce) as you have to regulate the rate of fire as spraying will get you nowhere.
It dominates in matches because it is the best gun with a fairly low skill cap, meaning if everyone uses it, it shows who shoots that particular gun the best, not who is the best player in general. In a 50/50 fight it will win as you are both moving slowly, and it fires the three bullet burst faster than the other gun which fires three bullets slower or with less accuracy.

If you don't belliive me that its a one hit kill (with no perks on) anywhere on the body, then you go and test it like i did and post a viddeo, please prove me wrong on this one. The only reason it doesn't kill in one hit when there is lag is the fact that all three of the shots in the burst aren't connecting.

[Nuked]

Are you saying an M16 with UAV Jammer will be more powerful than an M16 in a game with all perks off? I'm confused at your post.

Also to, Reason Euphoria namely G3, Pistols, M14, Snipers - basically every other non-sprayable weapon is more skilled than the M16, even some sprable ones at mid-range e.g. G36C.

In short, you, I and everyone in the CoD community knows, the M16 is an overpowered monster and makes all other weapons redundant on certain maps. Give a half decent person who can aim a "Red-Dot" the weapon and they'll rack up more kills with than gun than if they were using a G3, M14, G36C, Sniper (and in some instances even LMG). That's the reason I argued it's relatively unskilled (@ mid/close range). Long Range firefighters do however outline the more skillful, as composure/aim etc. become much harder. And aboviously for this reason...

a) Its the most effective non spray weapon
b) Its the dominating weapon of the game (unless your going to count publics)
c) Everyone (good) uses it in clan matches and serious games (because you're at a immediate disadvantage if you don't)

And just because a guns a one-shot/burst kill doesn't make it unskilled (Snipers for example). It's the possible one-burst kill (without SP) coupled with ridiculas range, the accuracy at range, and ease of aim with Red-dot that makes the gun relatively unskilled in comparison to other ARs to be more specific.

Well, after all this weapon debate I guess we know what weapon everyone's gonna be using in the online FFA :P


with all perks off, u can only 1 shot kill very close range, when ALL 3 bullets hit head or chest area, from long range its almost impossbile to one shot because of bullet spread, i know the game isnt halo, but just because the BR is the dominatiing weapon is halo , does that means its unskilled?

[hazman]

with all perks off, u can only 1 shot kill very close range, when ALL 3 bullets hit head or chest area,
This happens at mid and mid-long range, not just very short range and is anywhere in the body, be it head or foot.

[Hypn0tiK]

I think Strike is a good map for FFA, although Backlot would be my first choice :)

Also... ,my opinion on the M16... Yes, it is a tad overpowered, but I like it ^_^ I dont like using it up close, but when I play SnD... I use it liek a sniper, and Tend to get 1 shot kills from a very long distance. Ive had alot of people say "Damn she knows how to use that gun properly"... In up close combat, I prefer to use Assault rifle - G36C SMG - P90 LoL.

This FFA should be fun :)

[hazman]

Yeah i wana see how people play before the tourney an have some practise against good people instead of Noobs on matchmaking.

If you can, anyone participating go on this thread and send the gamertag a FR

http://community.matchbox360.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5242

Theres like 9 GT's on there atm so we could get some good customs if more ppl add

[Reason EuPhoRia]

Wow no point argueing with people who know nothing about Cod...

[hazman]

Wow no point argueing with people who know nothing about Cod...

wow good constructive post man, give urself pat on the back

[Reason EuPhoRia]

Learn something about CoD then come back . Google should work

[infeXious]

Learn something about CoD then come back. Google should work

Why are you turning this topic into something negative? Healthy debate is always good, whether individuals agree or not.

It doesn't matter how much you know or think you know about CoD. You may even know more than anybody else on these boards, but insulting members of the forum who put forward constructive arguments about map choice/weapon balance etc. or in simple terms "their opinion" is just disgusting community spirit to say the least.

No, Google shouldn't work, YOU should. If you've got as much knowledge as you're implying, then please enlighten others with whatever "something about CoD" amounts to and spread the knowledge (assuming you're not just refering to your opinion on aspects of CoD).

If you're not prepared to do that, get off your high horse or just don't posts in topics which annoy you. It's really simple. There's no need for your unconstructive input.

[Fonzzie]

YEA U GO INFEXIOUS :) Cya tomoz

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[hazman]

If you're not prepared to do that, get off your high horse or just don't posts in topics which annoy you. It's really simple. There's no need for your unconstructive input.

... So learn something about forums, then come back, maby google? :)

[caMper ch1ef]

strike crossfire vacant backlot ofc strike and vacant is the best maps ;D

[Nuked]

can i ask if a neutral host has been considered? as this is possible in cod4, i really think it should be used, if it means other players having to host a game for 10 minutes, id be happy to help, i can host 8-9 english players on full green

[KONSPIRACY]

Neutral host can be provided in the later rounds no problem, but its not realistic for the first few rounds. If all players of a group are happy to have and agree to a neutral host then thats fine.

[Fonzzie]

Ite Kon, Fury Fuzz signed up for the FFA but cannot attend. Please could u remove him.

Thanks man.

http://www.cdlimousines.co.uk/team.jpeg

[KONSPIRACY]

Ok.

[xXMFx Massacre]

im confused can you use any perks/weapons or are they all predetermined?? thanks

[KONSPIRACY]

Rules for this event will be posted on weekend, but perks/air support will be off n you can use all weapons apart from grenade launcher.

[Roadpog]

Why dont u try Crossfire i think thats a good map for FFA

[hazman]

Why dont u try Crossfire i think thats a good map for FFA

Far too campy. Infact the most active spawn (north west with all the cars, i think its the marine spawn in team games) can be sat on, and rack up kills by sittig and aiming.

[iG HyBrid]

Hi Kon.
Can you please remove me from the list, as I can't make Wednesday nights due to work.
Bit of a shitter but hey.

Good luck everyone else :)

[KONSPIRACY]

Ok shame you cant make it mate. Hope to see you defending your title at XL! :cool:

[Fonzzie]

Ite kon, are u going to post the possible maps that we are going to play??

Thanks man..

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[KONSPIRACY]

I already have...

Ok, a final decision has to be made on this so heres my reasons for not chosing Backlot and District for FFA...

Backlot: the smallest of the 3 maps being discussed, it is also the most campy with action/movement concentrated down the 2 main walkways and the buildings providing higher vantage points. Similar to District, there is rarely any action in centre of map. It is also very easy to spawn kill.

District: action is usually restricted to the 2 main streets and the gas station area. Middle of map is barely used so FFA tends to be repetitive with battles for control of the corners of the map.

There is no ideal map for FFA on COD4, however with its size and variety of styles of play that can be effectively used, Strike will remain as the choice for COD4 FFA online and at XL.

COD4 FFA is Strike. End of debate.

[Fonzzie]

Ok man thanks,

http://www.cdlimousines.co.uk/team.jpeg

[kHz HaVoK]

Whens the fixtures going up for this as it starts tomorrow?

[KONSPIRACY]

Registration closes tonight for any late registrations but groups will be online this evening.

[HeXBLiTz]

how will the grpups be drwn for round 2?

is it top 1/3 from each group gets split and so does 2/4?

or is it random again?

[KONSPIRACY]

Well it was going to be done based on final positions, but looks like the results arent coming through very accurate so prob just do A vs B, C vs D, etc;

[iG DevilZ]

o man would of been so much better if kids kept there scores, makes seedings much better.

[HNDoc]

Damn I was late, wonder if anyone will drop out.

[HeXBLiTz]

o man would of been so much better if kids kept there scores, makes seedings much better.

ye i played my balls of to come first coz i thort it would be based on seedings in the later stage's :(

now ill prolly get a BS group and go out lol

[KONSPIRACY]

Give me a couple of days to work through the results. The draw will be 100% fair and balanced whatever way you look at it (ie even in seedings you would have 2 players who came 1st, 2 who came 2nd etc;...so just the same as joining to groups together in straight knockout format).

[HNDoc]

I'm thinking of hosting a daily FFA match just for fun. What do y'all think. Yes or no.

[Fonzzie]

Go for it... if u wanna

[HNDoc]

Going to wait for more replies. I don't like starting things that end up failing.

[Reason EuPhoRia]

Yeah I don't mind playin some when I come on
Better than playing Optimatch anyway cause least your playing with good people!

[Bushmouseone]

Go for it... if u wanna

I want to do other things too

But there banned in this country ;]

[HNDoc]

Lets go to good old Bratislava.
Add my gamertag 'Awesu' if you are interested and be on at 6-8pm

[Fonzzie]

Kon we playing Strike again in round 2???.......


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[Bushmouseone]

I like strike. It has losts of good levels for maximum abilities

[KONSPIRACY]

Yes its Strike all the way! :D

[Fonzzie]

oo :( kk

[xP I Woundz]

Hello,

Logik from Xplicit Projex has asked me to post a tag change for him:

PsN I LoGiK - RaMbO BuNnY

Thanks.

[KONSPIRACY]

Ok.

[kHz HaVoK]

Are the round 2 fixtures going up soon? If So Will they still be played on a wednesday night?

[KONSPIRACY]

Round 2 fixtures will be available tomorrow and all games are to be played Wednesday at 9:00pm.

[Xg Corkin]

I won't be able to make it because of the football ;) Good luck to everyone still in the tournament.

[HNDoc]

That sucks, atleast your place won't be wasted. :D

[Fonzzie]

Ite kon, Fonzzie 2 is now GenetiX Fonzzie :)

Thanks mate.

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[KONSPIRACY]

Ok. Send me FR please.