Call of Duty 4 5v5 Discussion

[KONSPIRACY]

The MatchBox360 Call of Duty 4 5v5 will start on Saturday 12th January.

Please use this thread for any related discussion.

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[iG Lostcauz]

Does this mean LAN at xl4 will be 5 vs 5?

Also, have you got any rules in mind?

[Infidel]

yea id like to see the rules first ;)

[KONSPIRACY]

The game isnt out yet and I'm not fortunate enough to have a copy until release day...so no, there are no rules at this point in time. Obviously rules will be established prior to the event and I have a very good idea of what needs to be done however you are more than welcome to have an input.

Please dont read anything into this with regards to XL. From what I have heard the game only supports 4v4 on system link however we will see in due course. If it is capable of more than 4v4 then we will obviously play test rules and settings before announcing any details with regards to our COD4 team events at XL.

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[Infidel]

im getting it tommorow and going straight online, forget about the single player, thats what assassins creed and mass effect are for so shud have a good idea of some rules asap

most likely itll be 5v5 deathmatch, best of 5 maps, alternating host with certain maps restricted and possibly some perks / weapons if your really picky, im guessing

[KONSPIRACY]

Perks, weapons and kill streaks definitely need looking into...everything else is pretty standard competition rules tbh.

[BlaqK]

Why did my Xbox have to break NOW!!!!!!!

No CoD4, Assasins Creed and no practice for XL.....god im depressed. :(

[KONSPIRACY]

Ouch! :eek:

[leyton1990]

Yes COD4 TOURNEY GONNA **** IN THAT

[KONSPIRACY]

Start date delayed till 1st December.

[Fonzzie]

Hay, does anyone know when the tables will be posted, plus is there any links to sign up yet.

Thanks guys C4AS Clan Leader

[KONSPIRACY]

Signs up will be open this week :cool:

[Fonzzie]

wicked man, thanks :)

[Fonzzie]

Ite man, is there any date for the team registration to be posted???

[KONSPIRACY]

Its on my to do list, but may be after XL as we're waiting to see if we can get an automated registration back in place.

[leyton1990]

is the sign up started yet?

[FiveOhOne]

You can expect pretty much everything to be on hold until after XL now..

[leyton1990]

kk

[TeaAnyOne]

Leyton can i still play in the 5 v 5 with rlz ???

[Nyox]

Kon when finalised details are sorted with this could you post it on H3F. I'm most likely to see it there, I think I might be entering a team with Hex hopefully thats all.

[leyton1990]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111

[leyton1990]

Kon if this starting on 1st december wouldn't be ideal if we could sign up allready, so we can get all our team sorted

[FiveOhOne]

How does not being able to sign up affect getting your team together? Surely you'd get your team together, and then sign up?

[Rhodes]

So are you allowed to use your custom classes then ?
The classes at XL were pretty gay.

[FiveOhOne]

The classes at XL were the built in ones.. Not 100% on what the rules are going to be for this.. I don't make em, but one of the events lads will get you updated asap..

[KONSPIRACY]

Full details tbc in due course. I still havent had chance to play COD4 MP so simply get yourself organised and be prepared.

[DrksphinXz]

The matches gonna start 1 Dec, or than you can sign up?

[iD South]

how do we sign up kon?

[eAxis BeN]

What about prizes ? :)

[KONSPIRACY]

Sorry about this but our new online events will be delayed for a week or so whilst we test new software and sign ups. In the meantime, if any of you have suggestions for rules or settings then please feel free to have your input.

[Nuked]

no perks.
no air support (THIS IS A MUST!!!)
can i suggest gametype, Domination and TDM? play like 2 legs of each type?


Maps:

Vacant, Strike, Backlot, Overgrown, Crash, District

Any1 fancy shipment lol?

[Infidel]

heres what i reckon is best from the couple of friendlys ive played recently

all weapons - no grenade launchers though
no perks
no killcam
air support on - (just kill them before they get it if you dont like it, and it encourages tactical play to try and keep a streak going not just run and gun and in the games ive played a/s and helis dont kill anyone anyway)

gametype- straight tdm first to a 1000 - none of this s+d crap, no domination or hq either

all maps - apart from shipment, showdown and pipeline

[KONSPIRACY]

Theres no reason to turn kill cam off...prevents/stops the tendancy to camp tbh.

[iG Lostcauz]

S & D all the way.

People just camp in TDM.

[KONSPIRACY]

Prob be a mix of at least 3 gametypes tbh.

[Gaskin]

Team Reign ftw.

zFury
kHz Gaskin
Adihash
SrT Sacred
Lewis

[Nuked]

you have to have air support off.

ruins the game so bad imo.

strong team you got there gaskin, i look forward to playing ya

[Xg Corkin]

Air Support and helicopter should be turned off.

[Infidel]

well theres absolutely no way you can have headquarters, the team who get it first will almost certainly win the game as they respawn practically next to the new one when the old one is destoyed, and if you get all five players rush in and capture it then youve got it in 2 seconds and the other team doesnt have a chance and is playing catchup all the time.

and all killcam does is show what kind of bullshit you were killed with to piss you off, it doesnt prevent camping at all really

oh and wetwork is a really bad map as well

[qG Donkey Kong]

i agree with XG about the air support and helicopter as they are annoying flying object s but having team hardcore would be good idea but i not sure if you can turn off the extra bullet strength off as it a one shot kill monde (most of the time) but headquarters i 100% agree with RvR infidel as the next HQ should be away from both sides but it spawns next to the winning team.

[Equinox SMz]

Air support should be on IMO if its gonna include Deathmatch and Domination.

If its all S+D then no air support is fine. This means that people can sit and sit still which will make the game crap

[Corpasp]

Everything on :) as its meant to be played :) Yeah i like to cause trouble ... :)

[Dark witness]

I agree. we should just have everything on and let it rip !:)

[Nuked]

i think we should actually determine competetive settings here ie.

No perks
No Air support



its way to easy to get a heli on domination HQ and TDM

and some perks are stupid,

stopping power on an M16 makes it a 1 shot kill or a 3 shot dpepning on how u wna look at it

[Infidel]

the m16 is one burst one kill without stopping power anyway but then again a G3 is similar with doubletap

[KONSPIRACY]

Air support should be on IMO if its gonna include Deathmatch and Domination.

If its all S+D then no air support is fine. This means that people can sit and sit still which will make the game crap
In a 5v5 the air support would be useless in S&D anyway other than for recon. Think about it.

Personally I dont have a problem with air support in team games.

Perks off.
Weapon restrictions:
No grenade launcher
No RPG (debateable if air support is on)
...anything else?

[Infidel]

restricted maps

pipeline - coz its a camp for the roof and nothing else = awful, either that or u get a team in ghillie suits right at the back in the hills camping
wetwork - u can camp one end of the map and it ony has one entrance with plenty of shotting spots and the higher ground
shipment - its a tiny square with a few boxes = random slaughter
showdown - coz its too small and not on the tdm playlists anyway

[oaksey]

I cant see why perks should be off to be honest, can someone give me one good reason why perks should be off ?

Oh and i dont think there should be any headquarters cos of the spawns and search and destroy is just plane ****.

[KONSPIRACY]

If you want the full COD4 experience then perks should stay on, but if you want competitive settings then perks need to be off or at least restricted....basically not everyone has the same perks available and some of them are overpowered for competitive play (ie double tap as a perfect example).

[Infidel]

double tap isnt that overpowered, i for one much prefer overkill so u can carry two weapons, m16 and p90 ftw. and unless ur gunna do prestige everyone shud be 55 if theyre going to play it competetively at anywhere near a half decent level

[KONSPIRACY]

Martyrdom is retarded as well.

Prob have to do 2 rulesets to cater for different types of players.

[Nuked]

maps to consider:

Countdown
Vacant
Pipeline
District
Backlot
Strike
Crash
Bog
Overgrown

Other maps are rubbish tbh.

Perks off:

Double Tap, in real life you cant shoot at double the speed
Juggernaught: you dont have extra life in real war
Last stand: I mean wtf...


I cba to go through every1.

its supposed to be a real war game.


Kon id right with competetive settings, i really hope hes goes with them and if not here he has to at xl4 (hint hint)

[Infidel]

most have learnt to deal with martyrdom so it doesnt have any use apart from slowing a team down slightly or splitting it up a little in a close quarters situation like on vacant.i think that it has to be all perks or nothing as theres no way of proving if u limit them and someone uses them anyway without a capture card. personally i think there shud be no perks or killcam and u play it as a straight shooter.

and why not crossfire, ambush, bloc, downpour as maps?

[Tugsy]

Perks should be off in my opinion, as should all of the killing bonuses bar UAV - which I think is an effective way to combat camping.

Maps - i'm happy to play anything bar Shipment. But, I can understand why some others would be left out.

Oh, and grenade launchers can **** right off as well.

[Infidel]

id agree with tugsy on uav being left on but i dont think theres an option to do that, its all or nothing i think

[BsE Weasel]

I liked the idea of having domination and TDM :) S&D tend to be major camp fests and skill alot of the time never comes in (not for all matches though...depends who you play)

I'd keep perks on too and ofc ban martyrdom, GL and RPG. have no air support atall except radar but without UAV.

i cant wait for this to begin, BsE will deffo give it a shot

[KONSPIRACY]

UAV (ie recon) is part of air support. Theres no middle ground...its either on or off. Like I mentioned above, the only gametype where you can assure only UAV will be used is S&D as you dont get to 5 kills.

My only doubt about perks is that everyone is playing ranked games as far as I'm aware so everyone would have to adapt to a new style of play in customs (does anyone actually play customs on COD4?!). The same goes for friendly fire as obviously its turned off in ranked matches, but any competitive tournament should have friendly fire on (you have to make an exception for Gears of War because the latency/lag is simply retarded on XBL).

[Nuked]

i just readmy post and alot of it didnt make sense lol.


i think that if ur gna decide to ban perks

I would Ban perks 2 and 3

and ban the Rpg in perk 1

Perk 1:


C4 x2
Special Grenades
RPG-7 x2
Claymore x2
Frag x3 - Unlocked at Colonel I (Lv41)
Badolier - Unlocked at Captain I (Lv32)
Bomb Squad

Perk 2:


Stopping Power
Juggernaut
Sleight of Hand
Double Tap - Unlocked at (Lv29)
Overkill - Unlocked at (Lv38) - Lets you carry two primary weapons!
UAV Jammer
Sonic Boom

Perk 3:


Extreme Conditioning
Steady Aim
Last Stand
Martyrdom
Deep Impact
Iron Lungs
Dead Silence - Unlocked at (Lv44)
Eavesdrop - Unlocked at (Lv35)

[Infidel]

erm airstrikes carry over in s+d so if u get all 5 kills then uve got an airstrike for the next round, smack bang on the route from spawn and 2 kills easy, same with uav

[KONSPIRACY]

Air support carries over to a new round?...didnt know that tbh. If thats correct then its retarded.

[MINX]

bring on cod4 5v5 woo hoo can wait

[qG Donkey Kong]

nah keep on the perks as people worked hard for them and it is unfair for others but they must earn them like the rest of us plus it means we have to change the kit every time we have a match on this tournament:( which takes times anyways there be no proof of you knowing if the other team might got a perk on and it cause hassle but i agree with the RPGs though but take off the eavesdrop perk off then there be no way of knowing what the other team is saying.

But today i had my deep impact perk on with my p90 and as you know it shoots through the walls and a old british guy thought i was glitching by shooting through a wall you should of heard him though his swearing was so bad as three of his team mates lefted the room but to make me laugh he was level 45 and didn't knew what the deep impact perk was!!!! though i was laughing my head off as he would not accept that this game you can shoot through walls!

[KONSPIRACY]

Exactly. I dont think theres any sure fire way to ensure perks are off other than setting them all to off.

[qG Donkey Kong]

KEEP THEM ON:) you got any rough dates on this tournament as it december the 1st now i can open my advent calendar (i know i 18 but i am a kid inside) so konspiracy you got any news on this tournament to spill out on the first day of december?

[KONSPIRACY]

Just waitin for new software to be ready mate so we can open registration. Hopefully within the next couple of weeks.

[qG Donkey Kong]

that good as my team ready to smash the BCB on world of clans on cod4 just watch my squad walk through it:)

[oaksey]

Search and destroy should not be a competitive game type, theres no skill in throwing 15 grenades off spawn to kill the other team and win the round, its 90% knowing where to throw nades and 10% skill. PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE SnD.

As a suggestion has anybody thought about having double health that way you would actually be rewarded for headshotting someone.

[KONSPIRACY]

Gone through all the feedback and suggestions, and I hate to say it but everything is pretty much split decision from the community (again!). Gonna have to take it the polls I'm afraid.

edit: @ kong - your justification for perks on holds no water when it comes to a competitive tournament. Perks, levels and unlocks are earned for ranked games and mean nothing when it comes down to custom games. If perks are off then you need to spend approx 1 minute adjusting your weapon set...not exactly a hard task even for the most intellectually challenged! lol :D

[Nuked]

Exactly. I dont think theres any sure fire way to ensure perks are off other than setting them all to off.

when u view killcam it shows what perks that player was using.

plkayed a few scrims with no perks last night, it feels very wierd to start but then afterwards it feels beatiful

Search and destroy should not be a competitive game type, theres no skill in throwing 15 grenades off spawn to kill the other team and win the round, its 90% knowing where to throw nades and 10% skill. PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE SnD.

As a suggestion has anybody thought about having double health that way you would actually be rewarded for headshotting someone.

sorry for the double post but,
no perks eqaul 1 nade each, and if you were decent u would by now know where people are gna throw nades at when the round starts.

double health are u mad?

[iG Lostcauz]

I will give my input on this, we have played in over 15 clan matches on GB with the same rules that work very well.

SnD
Best of 4 rounds (Probably better best of of 6)
2.5 round time
Swap sides every round
10 seconds defuse and plant
No perks (So no 3 x grenade for those 15 grenades killing you at the beginning)
No airstrikes
No radar
No killcam
When you die, the view is disabled, can only see your dead body.

Think thats it, I will justify some of the stuff now. No perks to allow a level playing field for everyone, and some are plain annoying. No airstrikes, not too bothered both this in SnD because not many people will get a team kill but in TDM/domination/sabotage its plain stupid and offers no skill to call a helicopter.

TDM is not a good mode for matches because teams camp a lot and if they don't teams can be spawn killed.
Domination is the same but with the inability to really hold all 3 points, if you get the 3rd, the other team spawn the other side of the map near one of your first points.
Sabotage, same as TDM, too many 0-0 rounds.

Not trying to say my rules are perfect but they have caused no problems yet.

[Nuked]

agrred with poster above.

His rules are perfect apart from bomb defuse and plant times, also i think that more than 1 gametype needs to be played and first to 8 rounds on SnD is the way to go

[iG HyBrid]

Lostcauz's rules should be the standard set tbh.

[KONSPIRACY]

...absolutely fine for a S&D only tournament but we're looking for a wider variety of gametypes. More than happy to do single gametype only tournaments/ladders such as S&D as well though.

[Infidel]

for a snd only tourney surely air support shud be on coz uav is handy for it if u can get it and it doesnt unbalance the gameplay and airstrikes probly arent gunna happen in clan matches and if you do manage to take out the entire other team then its surely deserved? probably wont do much damage anyway apart from slow ur opponents up

[KONSPIRACY]

Having UAV on S&D would ruin the whole tactical element of the game rendering it completely pointless.

[Infidel]

it would be very hard to get so a team might only have one per game and when to use it would be a tactical decision and it would help out the attacking team so the defending team couldnt just sit behind a box waiting for someone to walk by all the time

[KONSPIRACY]

There in lies the main problem with S&D as the gametype generally encourages teams to camp/defend an area. Quite simply you have to employ tactics to break the defense and calling in an airstrike is a rather cheap way of doing it.

[Fonzzie]

Ite mate, just woundering i have not been on for a while and have not been reading all of the threads, are you still waiting on the new softwear yea.... coz i didnt know if you started registration already.


Thanks dude

C4FN Captain

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah just waitin for the tournament software...I'd open registration now but I really cant be dealing with manual registration for a team event! lol :D

[Fonzzie]

Alright then, np dude.

[Infidel]

but lets face it theres probly not gunna be a single airstrike in most of the matches and one or two at the most, to have uav on to help break a teams defense of camping and the occasional airstrike is much better than not having either at all imo, but i dont want snd as a gametype anyway ;)

[KONSPIRACY]

You havent got much choice by the looks of the poll!

[Infidel]

might decide not to enter it :(

[Nuked]

its free....ungratful tbh:)

[Infidel]

its not being ungrateful, if we dont like the settings we might not enter, doesnt affect anyone else does it?

[HeXBLiTz]

thats just shows your not very good if you can only play certain settings and certain gametypes and wont play anything else then how can you say your remotely good at the game when you have no diversity in the way you play?

[Infidel]

i can play all gametypes i just prefer one from the other, whats wrong with that?, and i doubt u can honsetly say that you are equally good at all gametypes. if we dont want to play the tourney coz we think the gametype or settings wont make it any fun then we wont play it, i dont understand why nuked and hexblitz said anything as it was a sarcastic reaction to konspiracies comment about us not having any choice in the first place. its our decision and we'll do what we like.

[leyton1990]

We starting this soon?

[KONSPIRACY]

Yep registration will be open in a few days!!! :cool:

[Fonzzie]

still waiting on the softwear i am gessing???

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah it looks like the automated software will be a while yet so we're going to get registration open this week.

All registration for events will be done via the MatchBox360 XL ticket office (http://tickets.matchbox360.co.uk/) so please create an account on there asap:

http://tickets.matchbox360.co.uk/

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[ORCA_WoN]

Yo has the tourny finished, cause we were wondering when it was starting and it says 1st Dec.

[Infidel]

im sure if u actually read konspiracies post which is just above your own you will find your answer in case your still not sure id like to draw your attention to this

Yeah it looks like the automated software will be a while yet so we're going to get registration open this week.

[Nuked]

Yeh orca GHad were supposed to play RGN in the final u didnt show up so we won by default

GG!

[iD Rumsey]

why not set the tounrie as a mlg type thing with 3 different game types.

maybe do best of 3 on tdm,dom etc on each map and best of 8 on s&d

3 game types being s & d, domination and tdm and have it so the same game type cannot be picked more than once.
first to win 2 maps goes through

[KONSPIRACY]

Thats exactly what we're doing Rumsey! ;)

[Fonzzie]

I have enter my team though that ticket ordering system. Is this just it? is it all finished now?http://www.cdlimousines.co.uk/clan/team.jpeg

[KONSPIRACY]

Your not meant to be registering yet...we're just doing tests at the moment. I know you're all keen to play but can anyone tell me where I've said registration is open?! lol :D

[Equinox SMz]

I have done the Ticket office info. Is this just a trial to see if that works or will i need to re-register at some point

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah the comps are not open for registration yet.

[leyton1990]

Equinox.... Read da posts

[Fonzzie]

oo soz man, i just read the post that u said, the ticket office will be used for registration. I just miss understood you in this and registerd. LOL soz man, i did do it all tho :) but will this mess up my team entry ?????


Sorry man

[KONSPIRACY]

Registration for the COD4 5v5 is now open via the MatchBox360 XL Ticket Office (http://tickets.matchbox360.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=27).

Any teams who registered before 13/12/07 must do so again stating the MatchBox360 username for each player.
Each player must be registered to MatchBox360 & be resident in the UK or Europe to enter.
Any player found not to be registered to MatchBox360 will result in your teams disqualification from the tournament.

[MclarenX]

Sounds good. Perks defo off for cometitive gaming tbh.

hello i have registered my team Zero Hour but how do i sort out my roster

[KONSPIRACY]

You just need to register each player as you did yourself...they can either do it themselves or you can do it for them as long as you know their XBL GTs and MatchBox360 username.

I havent had chance to do the rules yet (I'm an extremely busy man!) but I can confirm that air support and perks will be off.

ps. please use the edit button rather than double posting :cool:

[MclarenX]

I havent had chance to do the rules yet (I'm an extremely busy man!) but I can confirm that air support and perks will be off.

ps. please use the edit button rather than double posting :cool:

KK cool cheers man. my bad lol. with the confermation above reguarding perks etc i can see this being a very good tourni

[pX I BrutaL]

can i ask 1 thing some people think that on overgrown the roof u can jump on is a glitch i belive its not what do u think

[KONSPIRACY]

Its not a glitch...its a simple jump that anyone can do.

[Roadpog]

Can i ask one thing why perks off tbh to have perks on makes the game more interesting if they have juggernaut i mean if they have martydom if u listen u hear the grenade drop and plus if u play the game well u know not to run straight down anyway cause they probs told team ur down there so just wait for them i know its camping but a tatical game is played in a tatical way just like real war u wouldnt run into a room guns blazing u take it slow and even camp if so

[KONSPIRACY]

I honestly dont know where to start in explaining why perks shouldnt be used in a competitive tournament...I could be here all night n I've got loads of things to do!

Anyone else care to enlighten Monsieur Roadpog?

[Corthag]

Perks are not allowed cuz Kon said so.

Sorted.

[Roadpog]

fair play i say

so pretty much no grenade launchers if so im more than happy :D

[Corthag]

Well many people say they are not, there is always going to be a divide between those wanting them on and off, atm it has been decided to have them off i'm sure this will be reviewed after the competitions to see it it worked well or would work better with them on.

[Roadpog]

yea i see what u mean but its really annoying to run around the corner to get that unexploded grenade in ur stomach. good way to kill just ultra annoying

[KONSPIRACY]

If I have my way, grenade launchers will never see the light of day in any of our tournaments. Only problem I see is enforcing it at XL with the useless weapon sets on system link.

[Roadpog]

haha the standard ones that really are bad setups theres no red dots is there its just grenade launchers or standard iron sights with perk kinda sucks u made we wanna play cod 4 so bad now but i cant cause XBL sucks at moment

[KONSPIRACY]

It works fine at this stupid time in the morning! ;)

[Roadpog]

OH YEAH u know it. oh i need to catch up ive been sat on this website since 2 in the morning :O now i feel quite proud of myself time to play SnD utter brilliant **** i left gears of war in that means i gotta move :(

[iG Lostcauz]

If I have my way, grenade launchers will never see the light of day in any of our tournaments. Only problem I see is enforcing it at XL with the useless weapon sets on system link.

Isn't there a internet connection at the Lan place? If there is, can just play over XBL

[Roadpog]

80 xbox's one connection dont think it'll be that good plus live going down ere and there then not realy reliable

[iG Lostcauz]

why would you have 80 xboxes on a connection, just use it for cod matches so 10 xboxes if one game is being played or 20 xboxes if 2 matches are going on at the same time.

Hopeing they release a patch for Lan though

[KONSPIRACY]

We can get an internet connection in the venue but theres absolutely no way I would have consoles played over XBL at a LAN event! lmao :D

[iG Lostcauz]

I no wot u mean, Lan settings are just so whack

[MDK2310]

Does anyone know if they're planning to change the split screen/system link? Or is it all ifs and buts?

[KONSPIRACY]

I'm trying to get answers from IW.

[mrbrown33]

when does this kick off?

[KONSPIRACY]

Fixtures will be up this evening.