Pes2008 - Lag

[Jedi Minds UK]

I am alway getting games with lag even when all green bars are shown.

I have had no problems lag in any other game.


This game needs a patch.:mad:


Does anybody have the same problem?
I am going to stay away for ranked games until this is sorted.

[Renegade]

Everyone is having the problem - it's the same every year.

[Cormac]

Thats part of the reason why I didn't bother this time.

[Renegade]

Thats part of the reason why I didn't bother this time.

Your loss. It's still a class game.

[MofoDmo]

I'm just enjoying my master league season while i wait for a patch :)

[BlueHoopedMoose]

I'm just enjoying my master league season while i wait for a patch :)

I've found the master league more and more boring with each version of Pro Evo. It's the same thing over and over - buy the best players / train up the best youngsters and then win everything in sight. Then do it again.

So that leaves the online, which apparently once again is laggy as hell (don't Konami EVER learn?!?!). This is the first version of Pro Evo I haven't bought on release date...

[kHz HaVoK]

I'm just enjoying my master league season while i wait for a patch

Me too :) Played over 15 seasons of master league in PES6 and im loving it once again.

Posted by Xg Corkin

[Jedi Minds UK]

Have looked on the XBox forum's their was going to be a patch on the 19th November to fix the lag.

Switch on my game last night to see if the game had been updated but they is still not patch. This is lazy net coding form Konami are making pay for a beta version of the game.

How did this game pass though Microsoft's test with so much lag. Will Mircosoft ever tell Konami to sort it out or are they worryed that they would not make the game for the XBOX360 the next time!

I nearly bought FIFA today that have pissed of with the online game.

[Renegade]

There never was a patch for the 19th. Some random guy said it could be the 19th, and Konami denied it then and there. If you were expecting a patch on the 19th even after Konami denied it over and over, you were only ever going to be disappointed.

[Jedi Minds UK]

Yes i am disappointed as the game needs is now

I been playing some games online and sometime the ball is in the at the attackers feet one second and then in the net the next with no chance of defending.

It just leave bad taste and making me to switch off the game.

Looking at FIFA which you can play 5 v 5

[nimac]

I thought I'd drop Konami a quick mail, let's see if they can provide anything concrete, doubtful I know but perhaps all the PES players on here should send the same email.
Perhaps they might take the hint, remember the Shawshank Redemption :)

Dear Mr Konami/Mr Seabass
Is there any chance that somebody will confirm when they are going to fix this online issue!! ?40 might be small fry for Konami but that coupled with online enjoyment for the masses is not very nice. Please don't send the standard response as I am fed up reading that everywhere I go on the net.
Thank You.

Confirmation: Reference No: W004287-112107
Contact E-Mail: xxxxxxxx@gmail.com
Summary of Question: PATCH

[Cackhandedchimp]

I fell they've basically fixed the lag now anyway. It's definitely been improved.

[Renegade]

Just had a nightmare game. Won 4-1, but lagged all the way through and I got two penalties when the ball and player were nowhere near the box. It's not much better.

[Jedi Minds UK]

Played it last night on friendly with no lag.

This must have been my first game without lag.
The next match lagg big time what the hell is going on.

Back to COD4 and Halo. :(

[CrAzY SwAiN]

I fell they've basically fixed the lag now anyway. It's definitely been improved.

what the hell its still lagging like hell im tierd of pathetic goals because of lag,lag and more lag fix it konami!!!!!!!

[MofoDmo]

Konami released a patch today....










On PS3

[jodahunter]

He's telling the truth








really he is

[Xg Corkin]

Played a game like 5 minutes ago and it hasn't improved one bit :(

[Gaskin]

On PS3

Corkin, you're a fool.

[Renegade]

Konami released a patch today....

On PS3

It was released on the 360 too. It did nothing.

[Jedi Minds UK]

Played after the update and still getting lag.

Was this patch for the lag issue or was it a general Xbox live update?

[Xg Corkin]

Corkin, you're a fool.

There was also a patch on the Xbox 360 but it did **** all.

[nimac]

Played a game there at lunchtime and something has changed although it's too early to confirm if it's good or bad. It definitely seemed better although after being 3-0 up at half time and dominating the other player it did some strange things(PES6 springs to mind) and he was 3-3 by the 65th minute, thankfully I regained my composure and put it to bed and it finished 5-3 to the Pool :)

[Jedi Minds UK]

Yep I know what you mean something has been done. May be it to fix the free kick acheivement.
Well done on you win through if you want we could play online as most of my friends are playing Halo and COD4 all the time :(

[nimac]

I'll add you to the old friends list Jedi and get a few friendlies played.

[Jedi Minds UK]

Ok got you friends request

Played someone last night and won 10-0 the lag still their though.

some time it's like star treck as you player wark to new locations

Roll on the patch


That's it for me i going to get FIFA 08 i will kept Pro and wait for the patch



Merged posts. Please use your edit button to prevent double posting. - Leigh

[MofoDmo]

That's it for me i going to get FIFA 08 i will kept Pro and wait for the patch



You only want FIFA for the mighty Dons :p

I wish Pro had St Mirren in it....

Would make it the best game in the world if they had them :)

[Renegade]

That's it for me i going to get FIFA 08 i will kept Pro and wait for the patch




Go for it - as much as I don't wanna say this - FIFA 08 is brilliant this year. I can't stop playing it.

[MofoDmo]

Tempted to get FIFA myself tbh

[Jedi Minds UK]

Well when to the shop an could not do it.

I cant seem to by FIFA sothing it telling me what are you doing :confused:

So it PES for me

[Renegade]

I cant seem to by FIFA sothing it telling me what are you doing :confused:


Don't be weird - the you owe the PES brand and Konami nothing. From a studio that released a laggy mess of a game, they don't deserve loyalty. Loyalty gets you nowhere. FIFA this year is class.

[Gaskin]

Fifa this year ISN'T class. It's acceptable, but PES2008 is fragile. Since the update I haven't had any lag..

[Renegade]

Fifa this year ISN'T class.

Compared to PES2008? Yeah, it really is. I hated the FIFA 08 demo, it was boring and slow and unrealistic. I got the full game, and I can't stop playing it.

There's so much to do, you just can't get bored playing it - 5v5 online in Be a Pro mode is the most fun I've had on any multiplayer game since Goldeneye. Standard games online work flawlessly. The manager mode works nicely, giving a bit of depth without being Football Manager. The presentation, as expected, gleams with quality - the commentary is absolutely stunning. The gameplay is very very good, almost unrecognisable compared to previous FIFAs. It isn't quite up to the offline gameplay standard as PES, but it's very much in range.

That random crap where you get screwed out of goals, your defenders stop and watch a player run right past them, the offsides that are inexplicable - it doesn't happen on FIFA. Goals and goal opportunities look and feel more realistic, scoring feels like an accomplishment compared to PES 2008.

Going online and having all the squads update themselves in line with real world signings is brilliant. Taking part in the Premiership, as it happens, with the league updated accordingly, is stunning. The little touches - such as finding out Harry Redknapp had been arrested via the FIFA 08 news ticker before even Sky Sports News had announced it - the collectibles and unlockables, you name it.

As I've said, the gameplay is only slightly lacking compared to PES. However, whereas PES has a severe lack of things to do, FIFA 08 has stacks and stacks. FIFA, for the very first time, is just more fun. It's painful to say it, PES has been my lifeblood for years and years, from ISS all the way through. What I'm not going to do is carry on coughing up the dough just for the PES brand. I want the game that gives me the most enjoyment. Who knows, when and if Konami repair PES 2008 it might be that. At the moment? Sorry PES. Must try harder.

[Gaskin]

And you call yourself a pes fan, I can't believe you've succumbed to the Fifa poison they call a game. You disgust me. ;)

It isn't that bad, I enjoyed it. But still Pes takes more skill = the better game in my eyes.

[Renegade]

I agree, PES does take more skill, when you've got two opponents who are closely matched. I wouldn't have gone near FIFA if the online mode of PES worked. How can anyone judge skill online on PES when chances are at least one of the players can't even tell where the ball is? I guess I was just bitterly disappointed - and when Seabass came out the week after PES 2008 was released saying "it wasn't finished, and wasn't what we wanted, but we had to release. PES 2009 is going to be what we wanted." it was the last straw. I do still love PES, but I'm just not enjoying playing it. I can cane the CPU at every point, and the online mode ATM is awful. I didn't have a choice - at least this way my whole 5-a-side team can get online on FIFA and ball whore - it's a lot of fun!

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Renegade, you could've posted in my thread re: Fifa vs PES
http://community.matchbox360.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4533

i still haven't made my mind which version to buy, if any!

[IcemanLeigh]

Quite simply Ren you are either wording it wrong, or in my eyes you are just wrong. lol. Pes2008 for me is without doubt the best pes ever released. The gameplay is superb and everything about it just feels perfect. Perhaps this is because I dont buy the game to play against the computer. I dont even buy the game to play online. I have always bought Pes to play against Mates/housemates/football teammates/brother etc. Offline this game is sublime. I havnt played the game online for a while, and I am not kidding myself into thinking that it is good.. at all. But hopefully konami will manage to sort it out. At which point the game will be even better.

Fifa 5v5 is a superb addition, but other than the current state of the pes servers, that is the only thing that fifa has over pro evo in my eyes.

[Renegade]

I know this isnt the place to debate, and of course I should know better, but quite simply Ren you are either wording it wrong, or in my eyes you are just wrong. lol. Pes2008 for me is without doubt the best pes ever released. The gameplay is superb and everything about it just feels perfect. Perhaps this is because I dont buy the game to play against the computer. I dont even buy the game to play online. I have always bought Pes to play against Mates/housemates/football teammates/brother etc. Offline this game is sublime. I havnt played the game online for a while, and I am not kidding myself into thinking that it is good.. at all. But hopefully konami will manage to sort it out. At which point the game will be even better.

Fifa 5v5 is a superb addition, but other than the current state of the pes servers, that is the only thing that fifa has over pro evo in my eyes.

Offline is lovely, I don't disagree and have never said otherwise. Online, which is where the majority of my games are played, is absolutely rediculously broken. It just doesn't work. I have one person who I can play offline, but without meaning to rub his face in it, I'm far far better than him and it's not really fun. I bought my 360 for online gaming, as I live too far from my friends and have too much work to do to make constant gameplaying in the same place a viable option. The main appeal of a 360 to myself and a lot of others is Xbox Live - and PES2008 just is not good enough online to be worthy of playing. If you're primarily an offline player that's cool, I wish you well and hope you enjoy it. It's a great game to play offline with people of a similar skill, where the skill factor can be an accurate measure of who wins and who loses. Online it just doesn't work that way. Online games of PES2008 are far too random and far too laggy to provide any type of enjoyment. The game between me and Doom for example - I don't think he was better than me. I'm not saying I was better - what I'm saying is that there was absolutely zero indication of who had the more skill, it was about who got the luckiest draw of the lag.

I'm not going to play games that I'm not enjoying, and I'm more disappointed than angry to say that PES2008 is an online game that I can't really stand.

I don't know what Konami did with PES this year, but the signs aren't good.

[IcemanLeigh]

Thats cool, It was just the way you kept reffering to pes2008 as a whole package, and wanted to know whether that was all down to the online play, or whether you were suggesting that you didnt like the gameplay.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your loss. Good luck in any other future events you enter. I also hope that Konami sort out the online side of Pro2008 because I really do beleive it to be the best game out there.

[Renegade]

Anyway, sorry to hear about your loss. Good luck in any other future events you enter. I also hope that Konami sort out the online side of Pro2008 because I really do beleive it to be the best game out there.

I won't be entering any more PES2008 online events unless it's fixed and playable. I'll probably enter offline events, they are fun and I love meeting the people. Sorry guys, but as far as PES goes, I'm out. These online problems are the last in a long line of straws.

[OB1theGeordie]

I must admit he puts forward a good case, I tolerated 6 as it was the first next gen offering.

The one player rocks, as does getting the lads round for a few local tournaments.

But the online? I want my half my ?40 back Konami you thieving lazy f**k nuts!

PES2008 is like the England team, it ain't fulfilling its potential. McLaren walked...

Seabass out! Seabass out!

[NeoKubrick]

Hmm...is this just an ostensible pretext to stop playing a game that will never be suited to your style of play, Dan?

[Renegade]

Hmm...is this just an ostensible pretext to stop playing a game that will never be suited to your style of play, Dan?

What is your problem? You do my frigging head in, it's got f*ck all to do with whether it suits me or not - It's just complete crap to play online.

[CrAzY SwAiN]

It was released on the 360 too. It did nothing.
completley right its really getting on my nerves its pretty much restricting me from playing the game

[nimac]

Hmm...is this just an ostensible pretext to stop playing a game that will never be suited to your style of play, Dan?

Neo after you put that copy of the Collins Dictionary down get yourself online and play a number of random matches and tell me it's not bad.
I played 4 matches last night and everyone of them was horrific, I dominated one game and yet 3 timewarps later I was 3-1 down....I wanted to snap the disc. I only persevere with it because of my love of football....I have even resorted back to playing PES6 which I thought at the times was really poor but to be honest compared to PES2008 it's great (I am referring to the game in a pure online context here to avoid any ambiguity with those defending its other outstanding attributes....Leigh :))
I don't know what is going on, perhaps there is an IP address issue or port forwarding setup problems...surely we can't all have those though?
Disappointed with PES2008 but always online for a match!

[NeoKubrick]

Neo after you put that copy of the Collins Dictionary down get yourself online and play a number of random matches and tell me it's not bad.
I played 4 matches last night and everyone of them was horrific, I dominated one game and yet 3 timewarps later I was 3-1 down....I wanted to snap the disc. I only persevere with it because of my love of football....I have even resorted back to playing PES6 which I thought at the times was really poor but to be honest compared to PES2008 it's great (I am referring to the game in a pure online context here to avoid any ambiguity with those defending its other outstanding attributes....Leigh :))
I don't know what is going on, perhaps there is an IP address issue or port forwarding setup problems...surely we can't all have those though?
Disappointed with PES2008 but always online for a match!

Er, just because you have to pick up a copy of the Collins (typical scouser - heh - if I was to look-up the meaning of a word for clarification in a dictionary, it certainly wouldn't be a Collins Dictionary) Dictionary to grasp the meaning of "complex" words, doesn't mean I picked up a copy to specifically write said words. Don't attribute your ignorance as being universal.

What is your problem? You do my frigging head in, it's got f*ck all to do with whether it suits me or not - It's just complete crap to play online.

You misunderstood. My initial impression of PES 2008 was that the game is entirely biased towards attacking-play and offensive players, and therefore, players who play a more defensive game (i.e. you) would be left behind if they didn't adapt. If you're getting angry over the poor networking of Konami, then you're playing the moth, and sweeping toward the flame.

[Renegade]

You misunderstood. My initial impression of PES 2008 was that the game is entirely biased towards attacking-play and offensive players, and therefore, players who play a more defensive game (i.e. you) would be left behind if they didn't adapt. If you're getting angry over the poor networking of Konami, then you're playing the moth, and sweeping toward the flame.

No, you mistunderstood. What I'm trying to tell you, and Nimac tried to tell you, is that people get rapidly sick of your psuedo-intellectual, talking in riddles style of posting crap, and the only reason you get away with trolling whereas others don't is that you wind people up by spouting philosophical or high-brow comments that mask the cheap attempts to irritate people.

My attacks were formed around a good defense yes. They still are, and it still works. Your initial impressions were wrong. However, the online play in PES2008 is f*cking disgusting, and quite simply I'm extremely irritated that after 6+ iterations that worked and provided a good environment and a fun game, the new game that was so hyped by a lot of people is utter rubbish to play online. Nothing to do with in-game strategy, either defensively or offensively.

Quite frankly it would be quite a relief if you could just accept that some people don't like the fact that that game doesn't even bloody work properly, without posting something to try and cheapen them and make out like it's an excuse.

[nimac]

Er, just because you have to pick up a copy of the Collins (typical scouser - heh - if I was to look-up the meaning of a word for clarification in a dictionary, it certainly wouldn't be a Collins Dictionary) Dictionary to grasp the meaning of "complex" words, doesn't mean I picked up a copy to specifically write said words. Don't attribute your ignorance as being universal.

You misunderstood. My initial impression of PES 2008 was that the game is entirely biased towards attacking-play and offensive players, and therefore, players who play a more defensive game (i.e. you) would be left behind if they didn't adapt. If you're getting angry over the poor networking of Konami, then you're playing the moth, and sweeping toward the flame.

LOL :)
Like a 20lb salmon he rises......classic Neo.
For the record I may support the Mighty Reds but I'm actually from the glorious green grasses of Norn Iron so likewise my friend don't attribute your ignorance as being universal.
Have a nice day ;)

[Liam]

No-one from Liverpool supports Liverpool FC. That would just be silly.

[NeoKubrick]

No, you mistunderstood. What I'm trying to tell you, and Nimac tried to tell you, is that people get rapidly sick of your psuedo-intellectual, talking in riddles style of posting crap, and the only reason you get away with trolling whereas others don't is that you wind people up by spouting philosophical or high-brow comments that mask the cheap attempts to irritate people.

My attacks were formed around a good defense yes. They still are, and it still works. Your initial impressions were wrong. However, the online play in PES2008 is f*cking disgusting, and quite simply I'm extremely irritated that after 6+ iterations that worked and provided a good environment and a fun game, the new game that was so hyped by a lot of people is utter rubbish to play online. Nothing to do with in-game strategy, either defensively or offensively.

Quite frankly it would be quite a relief if you could just accept that some people don't like the fact that that game doesn't even bloody work properly, without posting something to try and cheapen them and make out like it's an excuse.

No, I just like to cut through the bullshit (and you're happy to cheer me on when the opportunity presents itself): the tripe people spout to irrationally justify themselves. If you are irritated by that, then you're probably the one stockpiling the bullshit. As I'm sure I've said before, you should read what I explicitly write rather than reading a devious troll I've planned to tip you over the edge. You can't even accept that this version is biased towards offensive players (it is, and if the number of goals per game in comparison to PES6 is any indication, it definitely leans towards the attacker) in fear it'll imply that you couldn't adapt.

As I said, Dan:
If you're getting angry over the poor networking of Konami, then you're playing the moth, and sweeping toward the flame.
FIFA...;)

LOL
Like a 20lb salmon he rises......classic Neo.
For the record I may support the Mighty Reds but I'm actually from the glorious green grasses of Norn Iron so likewise my friend don't attribute your ignorance as being universal.

Yes, you trawler you. I'll rest easy in the fact that I will happily use more "complex" words knowing that I'll be sending you to consult your Collins dictionary with each one I post. :p

[nimac]

Yes, you trawler you. I'll rest easy in the fact that I will happily use more "complex" words knowing that I'll be sending you to consult your Collins dictionary with each one I post. :p

Ha ha....a fisherman like yourself and yes Collins is she-ite, I prefer dictionary.com myself. I think it's time you got a new tag as well.....wait for it

Neo"Stanley"Kubrick - director of a number of highly acclaimed and sometimes controversial threads. :eek:

[IcemanLeigh]

Not wanting to get too involved, and thinking to myself that I wasnt even gonig to post in this thread.

I personally think that this pes favours the more defensive among us. It is harder to defend on this version, and attacking players can shred a defense to bits, but it is for this reason that I think players who master the defense of this version are the stronger since they dont have to be particularly good at attacking to get the two goals that would win them the match..

[Renegade]

You can't even accept that this version is biased towards offensive players (it is, and if the number of goals per game in comparison to PES6 is any indication, it definitely leans towards the attacker) in fear it'll imply that you couldn't adapt.

As I said, Dan:

FIFA...;)





I've played about 35 games online, with work and studying I havn't had much time for more, and conceded 0.8 per game. That's better than my PES6 record, which was a so-called 'defensively' based game. Yes, attacking is a much easier method in PES2008, it doesn't mean that it's biased towards attacking - it just means those that like to defend need to cover more bases than they used to. Don't knock it just because you don't do it. Rather a solid rock of defense to sweep forward in attacks than just play to my main striker and take runs....

And what has FIFA got to do with this? I play FIFA a lot more now because PES2008 is so mind crushingly crap online. I don't play FIFA or PES much offline, whereas online FIFA works and PES is broken.


*edit* See, Leigh agrees too. IMO, attacking being easier makes the game much more about defense. Those with a better defense will usually win.

[nimac]

Yes I have found I am scoring a few more goals due to the dodgy keepers and obviously the lag but defensively at times I can find it difficult to get them organised. Very frustrating especially when you know what is going to happen next.

[Gaskin]

I Sh1t on you all tbh.

[OB1theGeordie]

It's not just the keeper's AI thats on beginner, all the computer controlled players are a nightmare. There's just far too many random mistakes.

...and that's before you even consider the lag.

I think the fact you can pick it up brand new for ?19.99 on play speaks volumes. This is the second next gen version of PES and it's a second rate game for online players.

It should be called Amatuer Evolution Soccer.

[IcemanLeigh]

Why why why is the game level still set to begginer online.

I mean.. I dont know about about net coding, so possibly the lag online is a ***** to sort out, hense the reason it is taking so long, but surely, SURELY, it is simple for them to at the very VERY least move the game level to Normal. Top player would be preferable though of course.

[nimac]

The official update from Konami although it doesn't tell us much more than we already know but at least I got a response, I took a different approach as they didn't reply to my original call log about Mr Konami or Mr Seabass :)

Konami Support <en_support@konami-europe.net> to me
show details 3:16 pm (1 hour ago)

Dear customer,

Thank you very much for contacting the Konami customer support team.

We would like to inform you that we are still working on more improvements on
this patch.

Konami will continue to look into ways to extend users? enjoyment of PES 2008
and is still working on improvements.

Your Konami Support Team

Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH
Berner Str. 103-105
60437 Frankfurt am Main
Germany

Local Court of Frankfurt am Main: HRB Nr. 24990
Managing Director: Kunio Neo, Kazumi Kitaue

[NeoKubrick]

Not wanting to get too involved, and thinking to myself that I wasnt even gonig to post in this thread.

I personally think that this pes favours the more defensive among us. It is harder to defend on this version, and attacking players can shred a defense to bits, but it is for this reason that I think players who master the defense of this version are the stronger since they dont have to be particularly good at attacking to get the two goals that would win them the match..

I've played about 35 games online, with work and studying I havn't had much time for more, and conceded 0.8 per game. That's better than my PES6 record, which was a so-called 'defensively' based game. Yes, attacking is a much easier method in PES2008, it doesn't mean that it's biased towards attacking - it just means those that like to defend need to cover more bases than they used to. Don't knock it just because you don't do it. Rather a solid rock of defense to sweep forward in attacks than just play to my main striker and take runs....

And what has FIFA got to do with this? I play FIFA a lot more now because PES2008 is so mind crushingly crap online. I don't play FIFA or PES much offline, whereas online FIFA works and PES is broken.

*edit* See, Leigh agrees too. IMO, attacking being easier makes the game much more about defense. Those with a better defense will usually win.

You're discounting the fact that better attacking players will score more goals than those who are more defensive; so, if the game favours those that play an attacking game, the defensive players may score more easily, but the attacking players will have the clear advantage. And it's not about mastering the defense in this game, because the apparent ease of scoring isn't down to just the faster players running with the ball, but the dodgy keepers (and it's not down to the AI level; on LAN and on top-player, they are still terrible) and faster ball physics.


And Dan, I only let in 29 goals in 23 games (with Arsenal, Blackburn and T & T - far from great defences) in all the Matchbox tournaments for PES6. So, where you got the notion that I don't defend well is beyond me.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Gents, will this help?

http://www.pdtogo.com/files/ruler%20cm%20with%20zero%20mark%20not%20at%20edge. png

[nimac]

Yes indeed, as they say in Subway "Foot Long" sir :)

[Renegade]

Nah - Neo's head wouldn't fit on that.

[Gaskin]

Still don't encounter lag on pes... but it still pisses me off sometimes. I accidentally chose like cerbia fc or something yesterday, I was winning 3-1, and then suddenly every goal that is fired from 35+ yards my keeper decided to let in. And why do games such as pes/fifa think that a bad team won't have ANY good players? I mean not even someone with speed? They ALL are slow, which is ridiculous. Although I suppose on this pes speed = a good player, dumb shits.