Bleed Time

[KONSPIRACY]

MatchBox360 appreciate the valued feedback from its members n as such would like your opinion on what you feel the bleed time should be set to for the Gears of War - Execution 4v4 :cool:

The outcome of this poll will determine what bleed time is to be used in the tournament. The rules currently state a bleed time of 10 seconds, but we aware that some ppl disagree with this n the rules will be updated based on the results of this poll if needs be.

Bleed time settings are generally personal preference as to what you are used to, but it does have a consequential effect on how you play the game, what tactics you employ n your choice of weapons you use...so please have your say!

Please select one of the options above n feel free to comment below with your reasoning behind your decision...the more constructive the better. :cool:

please note: any posts containing any flaming or disrespect towards other members will simply be removed

[Xg Corkin]

10 seconds for sure, anything higher is just too long.

[ScK ReVeNgE]

Ive been expecting this for a day or two now but I wasn't too bothered because I didn't have a team but I do now so BowserBhoys Revenge Six FTW

and 10 seconds FTW (15 would be good if you could do that. can you?)

[Gaskin]

15 would be good if you could do that. can you?

Nope.

I'll stick with the original set of rules, 10 seconds. :cool:

[danitfc]

definatly 10

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah if there was the option, 15 seconds would be a nice amicable compromise! lol :D

Dont forget to use the poll at the top of the page! :cool:

[RazgriZ FX]

20 is far too long, come on people what do you want, a balanced game (10 out) or another currupt (20 out) XBL game?

[Equinox SMz]

20 is far too long, come on people what do you want, a balanced game (10 out) or another currupt (20 out) XBL game?
20 seconds does not make a corrupt game. 20 secs gives the advantage of allowing some time to get to the person to finish them off.

edited: Please refrain from posting abuse at other members of the community. Thankyou. Konspiracy

[iG ExPoZe]

People say 15 would be good, but if you tap A on 20 seconds you can be up in 15 seconds whereas if you tap A on 10 then you can be up in 5 seconds which is just too short.

20 seconds is easily the best.

[Equinox SMz]

Konspiracy. You edited my post for calling people that like to play games where you are up in 2 seconds compared to you have to finish them off. i only said it as a general not orientated to anyone inparticular.

[KONSPIRACY]

For everyones information n benefit, full tests have shown that there is a difference in recovery time between for ON/OFF host:

10 second bleed:
ON host: can recover in 8 seconds
OFF host: can recover in 5 seconds
Off host advantage = 3 seconds

20 second bleed:
ON host: can recover in 15 to 16 seconds
OFF host: cab recover in 9 to 10 seconds
Off host advantage = upto 7 seconds


@ bells - as stated in the first post in this thread, any offensive posts will be edited or removed following yesterdays arguments on this subject. By quoting then posting in reference it would provoke a similar reaction n therefore removed. Thanks for understanding :cool:

[SiMMS v2]

OFF host: cab recover in 9 to 10 seconds

So if you can respawn in 10 seconds, why nto have 20.........then both aregumnets are settled?

[betts02]

10 seconds is ok to me and plenty of other gamers, i would say 5 seconds but that is why we have the poll.it makes it fair that they choose our opinions rather than just make the rules to suit the addmins.nice work with the site lads keep up the good work.thanks

[kHz HaVoK]

10 secs FTWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[ScK ReVeNgE]

Hello there Betts

[betts02]

hello mate cheers for the message an this seems a good site better than the rest out there good work to the addmins an staff.cant wait for the competition to start "death squad" takes no prisoners !!!!!!

[RazgriZ FX]

OFF host: cab recover in 9 to 10 seconds

So if you can respawn in 10 seconds, why nto have 20.........then both aregumnets are settled?

Because the difference from host and none host is much more significant on a 20 out.

You can run the length of all maps in 15 seconds as tested. Host wouldn't stand a chance and therefore the reason why this is Execution and not Warzone.

[Azure]

It takes 15 seconds to get to where the sniper rifle is on gridlock on high sens, that is without climbing over anything, and spindryer is in game with me doing it right now.

[DBUK Stubbs]

20 seconds is the default setting so why not have it on the default setting???

[Spindryer]

After playing with both settings it seems to me that the 10 second rule suits the loan player and 20/30 seconds suits the team player.

[RazgriZ FX]

It takes 15 seconds to get to where the sniper rifle is on gridlock on high sens, that is without climbing over anything, and spindryer is in game with me doing it right now.

Well we tested and it takes 15 seconds to roadie run the length of the map.

Settings are there to be edited ie customisation, just look at H1, H2, GE, PD, PDZ, R6 and all the rest.

10 out is competitive, 20 out you may as well be playing Warzone.

How about that? Have an Execution league for gamers that want 10 out and a Warzone league for the gamers that want 20 out?

Makes sense.

[Azure]

You tested it wrong then, I just got your brother to time it, 16 seconds to sniper with rolling start.

25 seconds for length of map going through snipes avoiding cars. Unless you want to imply your brother cannot count.

The fix to this is simple.

Home team picks 3 maps and their bleed time, away team picks 2 maps and their bleed time. Everyone is happy.

[KONSPIRACY]

Not that it has any baring whatsoever on this debate, but just to clear it up...I have just tested that run on gridlock n it does take approx 15 seconds from spawn to snipe as timed by Seiko (my chronographic watch). However, it it possible to do the length from pedestrian crossing to predestrian crossing in approx 15 seconds...n from spawn to crossing takes 7 seconds.

[Spindryer]

What about Rooftops, might as well test all the maps if were going into such details.

[iG ExPoZe]

The whole point of execution is not so that you can revive yourself, it's so that the other team must execute you.

You say 20 second Bleed Time is just warzone however you couldn't be more wrong. On warzone you can kill downed enemies from anywhere.

Execution Bleed Time 20 seconds is easily the most team-based gametype in this game however from the looks of things a lot of you lack team experience on this game and are just thinking about being able to get yourself up in 10 seconds. It's a 4v4 Team tournament and I hope MB takes this into account because 10 second bleed time does not promote teamwork.

[KONSPIRACY]

Testin how long it takes to run across a map isnt what I'd describe as an important feature of the game...its just azure being an asshole to prove a point! lol :D

[DayC]

10 seconds should be just long enough.

[Azure]

The whole point of execution is not so that you can revive yourself, it's so that the other team must execute you.

You say 20 second Bleed Time is just warzone however you couldn't be more wrong. On warzone you can kill downed enemies from anywhere.

I just said the exact same thing to Kon.

A perfect game for me would be execution with NO ability to pick yourself up, your team should have to come and revive you - which is why MLG do 30 seconds as it is as close as can be to that. Being shot to bits and getting up at all is suspect, getting shot to bits and getting up after 4 seconds = lol.

Testin how long it takes to run across a map isnt what I'd describe as an important feature of the game...its just azure being an asshole to prove a point!

No but when you want your clan to have the credibility it thinks it deserves when discussing gears of war it doesnt help when I am getting told that "testing shows it takes 15 seconds to run across the map" when BLATANTLY it doesn't, why even bother saying that when it is so obviously wrong it just damages your credibility on other opinions [such as bleed out time :P].

[BIG D 04]

Cat forced my hand...:p

[carocat]

I didn't force your hand. I just asked if you had voted as you were considering to take part.

[KONSPIRACY]

Fixing the vote are we cat?! :eek:

[carocat]

Nope. I just wanted to make sure that all players who are planning to take part are voting on this to avoid the 'problems' of the last few days reoccuring closer to the competition.

Surely you agree?

[KONSPIRACY]

Absolutely.

We are also considering the possibility of each team selecting their own bleed time for their own maps or vice versa. Whatever happens I'm sure it will be an interesting tournament to say the least :cool:

[BIG D 04]

Looks like my joke went down well...:D

I'm surprised your taking such a small thing so seriously, surely it would be better to ask the people who have signed up to vote rather than people who may be just considering it or even just lucky enough to check the thread.

[Azure]

People dont sign up til the rules are announced.

[KONSPIRACY]

The rules have been announced.

Anyone who would not take part just cos of the bleed setting is either very childish or isnt very confident in there own ability at the game IMO. This is a community tournament for fun n we really dont need to be having any kind of arguments over a game setting as it is personal preference. :cool:

[Mazzy]

everyone just vote on it, and then theres no argument. its a democracy not a ditatorship or something to that effect. theres 7 votes in it, so everyone wanting to participate in this tourny please vote and the argument over 10 seconds will be over, cos this is causeing more grief between people than anything.

[carocat]

Moving on.

Whoever has clicked this thread and not voted yet, please do so at the top of the thread. :)

[BIG D 04]

I'm sure that if you made it clear that although everything else is settled due to certain members of either the Staff or people wishing to sign up, the bleed time has been left to a vote following succesful entry of all participants.

The reason I say this as although this poll might seem a fair way it doesn't give the correct view of either participants or possible participants.

As anyone can vote therefore enabling a swing in the voting and giving a incorrect boost for possible results.

[KONSPIRACY]

It is a democracy mazzy...hence the reason for the poll mate! :D ;)

I see your point BigD but a poll is required now as it could possibly be too late by the time all teams have signed up. Thanks for the suggestion though :cool:

On a side not...I dont wanna see anymore arguments so like I said, make your vote n leave your comments. Thanks again :cool:

[Mazzy]

thats what i said !

[Liam]

I think ten seconds is just the right amount of time.

[kHz HaVoK]

2o secs is way to long for an execution game!!! 10secs is just the right amount to give people time to get up and influence the game, if you have 20secs bleed time the game won't be any fun and less people will enter the competition.

10 secssssssssss FTW

[MR XxAJxX]

2o secs is way to long for an execution game!!! 10secs is just the right amount to give people time to get up and influence the game, if you have 20secs bleed time the game won't be any fun and less people will enter the competition.

10 secssssssssss FTW

no shhhh 20secs is rite

[Spindryer]

Corky mate i agree 10 seconds is the correct time in my eyes BUT you have to remember that with the 20 second rule you can be up in 10 seconds if you hammer the A button so that’s why I’ve voted for 20 seconds.

10 seconds you can be up within 4 seconds maybe 5, and what’s the point of downing your enemy if you cant run 50 yards before he gets up again to finish him? - Anyway this is my view not "the" view remember.

[Xg Corkin]

10 seconds you can be up within 4 seconds maybe 5, and what’s the point of downing your enemy if you cant run 50 yards before he gets up again to finish him? - Anyway this is my view not "the" view remember.

Dont forget three downs and you atomatically die, thats the point in it being 10 so if the sniper downs you he wont be able to run the whole map and finish you of. ;)

[Spindryer]

Can you run the whole map in 10 seconds? No scrub that..... Would u still be alive if u ran the length of the map in any time given?

[Xg Corkin]

Can you run the whole map in 10 seconds? No scrub that..... Would u still be alive if u ran the length of the map in any time given?

Good point, its kind of just personal opinions. :)

[MR XxAJxX]

if you do 10seconds and you get up within 4-5seconds and you have a sniper you keep downing people across themap after 3 attempts it becomes WarZore imo that is Stupid 20seconds you can be revived if anyone near and if someone is far away they cant get to you within 10

20 seconds ftw

[kHz HaVoK]

Spin i get were your coming from mate! Its just most of my games on GOW have been played with the 10sec bleed time so therefore i want to stick with it as i feel its the best bleed time! people who play with 20secs are going to stick with that....its all personnal opinions and whats best for the tournement aswell!! i just feel when you include a longer bleed time than 20secs its sort of going towards a warzone type game because you can reach that apponent in time to kill them after downing them without giving them time to get up!!

I've played all my games with mates and other people online for fun and i have to say the 10sec bleed time is much better to play with rather than the 20sec bleed time! you get more fun out of the 10sec bleed time and a better overall game i feel!!!

[Gaskin]

If it's 20 seconds and they down you with a sniper they can run over and kill you anyway..

[danitfc]

everyone say 10 secs so do it

[kHz HaVoK]

wateva happens...happens!
Look everybody has there own personnal opinions and some have been showed in this thread and others have just voted without argument so letts see what happens!

[danitfc]

k i didnt mean it agresivly

[kHz HaVoK]

no mate i wasnt referring to anyone!! just the overall topic!!

[danitfc]

oh got ya ;-0

[Darth Geordie]

10 seconds is spot on. 5 seconds just takes the p~ss. Me and the boys only need 2 seconds and one of us will be there to finish you off anyway.;)

[Azure]

its all personnal opinions and whats best for the tournement aswell!! i just feel when you include a longer bleed time than 20secs its sort of going towards a warzone type game because you can reach that apponent in time to kill them after downing them without giving them time to get up!!

The idea is that your team protects you and retrives your sorry dead ass for revival "go play warzone" is not valid because you aint ever getting revived in warzone. Your teams job is to protect and recover downed players, downing other players is supposed to be a break in the enemies strategic line where you can push through and "power play" an area of a map, the concept is similar to halo 2.

If you can get up under your own strength after 4.5 seconds then your team do not have to think about you so much because you will either get up on your own feet or die straight away, it removes an additional level of strategic thinking, and when the skill cap in gears is so low the game needs everything it can to test a teams ability to strategise effectively - this sorts the men from the boys in what is a team based shooter. Truth be known I think it should be 30 seconds, perhaps I should campaign more for that as it suits how the game is supposed to run, I was only saying twenty seconds before as a compromise to what I actually like to play, so 30 seconds for me. People should have to be rescued, without being actually killed from across the map - warzone, without the cross map killing. MLG got it right, [as usual].

I understand that 10 seconds is a faster game and it is indeed good fun, I have spent the last 4 days playing nothing but ten seconds to better understand the dynamics of it. It equates to faster gameplay and more up close action and is great for casual play I understand its fun I really do, but really, Halo 2 without shields is a much faster game and can be fun too, but it does not mean it is a competitive setting by any means.

[Sighs.]

But whatever, I am all for pro-choice. I think teams should be able to pick their own bleed times with their own maps, so people will have to play on 10,20 and 30 second bleed times. Surely no one will argue whoever comes out on top of the pile from playing in such a manner surely deserves the crown? Also by doing this EVERYONE is happy and makes this whole dumb debate over with in a satisfactory manner that best compromises for all players.

[Tim]

But whatever, I am all for pro-choice.

Wow, straight from one contreversial topic to another :P

But it all seriousness how longs the vote going to be running for?

[Azure]

What? I dont want to force people who want to play ten seconds into playing twenty if that is what they want, I just want to make sure that the longer bleed times get fair representation.

[RazgriZ FX]

And only if you had promoted that from the begining of this mess dude. People listen to you funnily enough :p

:cool:

Just bare in mind that there are people here that play GoW a considerable lot than anyone else and 10 out is a competitive fast paced game, the difference with H2 no shields being it's one shot.

The fact also still remains is that MLG are doing an extreme league that consists of a 10 out. Thank's Sam.

When we stated Warzone = teh 20 out, we know you can be shot on the spot but you can still choose to either let them bleed out or go over and execute.

Same with Execution, the players have the choice to act, with a 10 out they have to think fast and play fast, where as if it were 20 out they got the time to think about it, revive a team mate, run over to pick up a weapon and THEN go over and kill the downed player.

That's what our arguement was but people can be ignorant and not understand if they haven't experienced every element of the game.

Anyway this should come to a close soon enough and petty difference's put aside.

This is a strong community and will continue to grow (eventually taking over the UK and then the world, muahahaha).

[Azure]

Would kHz be happy to play GoW knockout on 10 second matches and 20 second matches for those who wanted it [if it was their turn to pick obviously]?

[BlacKaTaK]

5 seconds bleed out pleeeeeeeeeease!!!!!

[Azure]

You're going to have to do a lot lot better than "Plleeeeeease" to get 5 seconds.

[Tim]

What? I dont want to force people who want to play ten seconds into playing twenty if that is what they want, I just want to make sure that the longer bleed times get fair representation.

If you googled the term "pro-choice" you may have gotten the joke.

5 seconds bleed out pleeeeeeeeeease!!!!!
As for 5 seconds that's just insane and you may as rell remove the revive function.

[kHz HaVoK]

Raz got it spot on the head!

Although azure picking your own bleed times, etc probably is the best option for the competition!

[kHz SnakeSlayer]

LOL warzone your stuck to the ground till sumone can get you up and 20 and 30 secs is just the exact same as that except you have the fun of button bashing for fun till sumone runs up to you and executes you, from the sounds of it azure your asking for a new game type which is your stuck to the ground licking the pavement but can't be killed from distance like warzone but they have to execute you.

Yes everyone has the right to their own opinion and i am not argueing i just don't agree with what you are saying and so this is my own opinion.

see you all soon for some enjoyable GOW

Cat forced my hand...:p

LOL :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Spindryer]

Where did you get that quote from Snake? Can't seem to find it...

EDIT: Ah i found it my bad, it was on page 1 and has already been answered by Cat herself "I didn't force your hand. I just asked if you had voted as you were considering to take part."

- Fair enough i'd say

[carocat]

You should hear BIG D on Xbl.... ;)

[kHz HaVoK]

Where did you get that quote from Snake? Can't seem to find it...

EDIT: Ah i found it my bad, it was on page 1 and has already been answered by Cat herself "I didn't force your hand. I just asked if you had voted as you were considering to take part."

- Fair enough i'd say

I beg to differ!

[danitfc]

does it really matter let thee votes do the talkin

[Fab17]

wen does the poll close btw?

[KONSPIRACY]

Seeing as the vote is so close n is basically down to personal preference, we are considering updating the rules so that each team plays 2 games with their choice of maps n bleed time. As there are no distinguished rules for GoW n this is our first online competition, it would be a suitable compromise for all players involved. :cool:

[Retro]

Thats pancake, if the 1o seconds was winning, it would be play 10 seconds or else, just cause some people cant get there way all the time and kick up a fuss. Whats the point of even having the poll?

[Equinox SMz]

i agree with you retro seems to me that the majority vote of the "scene" kids wins it

[Mazzy]

The poll has 20 secs winning atm, and 10 secs very close behind. kon is putting a different option to you, so all parrtys win. its not about people kicking up a fuss. its just a compremise.

[kHz HaVoK]

Kon was just offering anouther option to everyone as the argument had settled down then use have to start arguing over an option offered to everyone not just the people who voted for the 10sec bleed time!

i agree with you retro seems to me that the majority vote of the "scene" kids wins it

looks like your the kids to me!

[Retro]

yeah but didnt some one suggest what he said, about errmmmmm..........2 days ago, when the 10 seconds was the most popular, and no one paid any intrest what so ever. Now its funny that this 20 seconds is currently popular, and the people choice is being taken away.


And i dont need PM's, that make no sense what so ever thanks.

And i certainly dont need a load of mods, and admin on back, because iv gone agasint the norm.


Good day

p.s and im not part of this "20 seconds crew ethier"

p.ss tugsy was that meant to be sarcasm or what?

[kHz HaVoK]

Yeh someone suggested it but that was it!
KON is a member of the admin team and people have to listen to the admin team, he makes a offer to everyone and the people favouring the 20sec bleed time make the fuss no-one else!
I don't think KON was trying to start something again but people have to know what they are considering doing, so he has to post it up, not for other people to start arguing over 1 ******* vote! and when the 10sec bleed time was winning i didnt see any of you guys posting suggesting anything!

[carocat]

This whole debate has gone way out of hand in the last few days.

There is a poll option at the top, please use this. Otherwise, can I just ask everyone that they only make CONSTRUCTIVE posts that are on topic.

Thankyou.

Cat

[kHz HaVoK]

Didnt you read my posts they were all in good manor but obviously not!

It all seems to be headin towards the kHz Clan members, for arguing for what they wanted which there was nothing wrong with that but as you can see theres alot more people that want the 10sec bleed time other than just them including me!

[Retro]

Corky take a look at the top of this thread.....yea well done..good so far.....now take a look at the results.....yep those shiney bars do represent the numbers in which people voted......now find the bar which is the biggest.......o'**** thats the 20 seconds one........that must mean that "alot more people prefer the 10 seconds".

Please do not insult other members, thanks - Zyber

[kHz HaVoK]

Corky seeing that you are obvousily retarded. Take a look at the top of this thread.....yea well done..good so far.....now take a look at the results.....yep those shiney bars do represent the numbers in which people voted......now find the bar which is the biggest.......o'**** thats the 20 seconds one........that must mean that "alot more people prefer the 10 seconds".

Im retarted, u cnt read mate i said this seemed to be heading towards the kHz Clan and obvisously more people want the 10secs bleed time than them! now if theres 28 members in there clan that have voted 10secs ill eat my words which i feel won't be the case so maybe you better go back to school and learn how to read mate. :cool:

[kHz Sailinkid]

what i dont get is that if u get down is that u have a chance to get up if there is 10 sec but if u have 20 sec bleed out time you 1. wont have a chance to get back up unless healed 2. i know most people that i play with or have played when the bleed out time is 20 sec they start yelling because it should be shorten.... i am just saying its weird that people want it to be 20 secs and not 10

[Azure]

what i dont get is that if u get down is that u have a chance to get up if there is 10 sec but if u have 20 sec bleed out time you 1. wont have a chance to get back up unless healed

That is the entire point of the people who argue for 20 seconds mate.

[kHz HaVoK]

what i dont get is that if u get down is that u have a chance to get up if there is 10 sec but if u have 20 sec bleed out time you 1. wont have a chance to get back up unless healed 2. i know most people that i play with or have played when the bleed out time is 20 sec they start yelling because it should be shorten.... i am just saying its weird that people want it to be 20 secs and not 10

Ahmen sailinkid

[Spindryer]

The fact is People are split on this; everyone should try to understand that Matchbox wants this too be a fun and competitive event for everyone. Whatever Matchbox decides it will be purely based on what is best for everyone taken part in the event.


What Kon has suggested i think is the best idea I've heard to solve our debate and fairest way I believe.


Seeing as the vote is so close n is basically down to personal preference, we are considering updating the rules so that each team plays 2 games with their choice of maps n bleed time. As there are no distinguished rules for GoW n this is our first online competition, it would be a suitable compromise for all players involved. :cool:

[Gaskin]

I agree, it's obvious that the poll is extremely even and the winner would only win by a whisker, I just hope these are legit votes.

[kHz Sailinkid]

i didnt get what u said corkyuk anyway that would be a great idea just to do what kon said. but i am saying if it is 10 secs its more of a challenge and its good to test ur skills isnt it. isnt that how we get better?

[Fab17]

i dont mind doin wat kon suggested aslong as its between 10 and 20 seconds

[Gaskin]

Well if the teams preference happens to be 5 or 30 then so be it, I'd assume.

[Spindryer]

SailinKid mate what Kon has suggest is a way where both sides of the fence get what they want as best as can be done. I know you think your "right" but as it stands there is no right or wrong but instead a lot of gamers who are split on this game setting.

Can't we all just get along :) ;)

[Retro]

That is indeed the best way to go about it.

[Mazzy]

Can't we all just get along :) ;)

it would apear not.

and this is over 10 seconds for a free to enter competion, with no prize !!!!!!:eek:

[kHz SnakeSlayer]

Where did you get that quote from Snake? Can't seem to find it...

EDIT: Ah i found it my bad, it was on page 1 and has already been answered by Cat herself "I didn't force your hand. I just asked if you had voted as you were considering to take part."

- Fair enough i'd say

i did not say anything i just laughed :cool:

[kHz Sailinkid]

i am getting along i am just posting my opioinon

[kHz HaVoK]

Thats the problem people are posting there opinions and because everybody has there own opinion it starts an argument but i think KON's way will be the best way forward from this aslong as no0one choose's 5 or 30sec bleed time!lol!

[Wicked_Slim_Shady]

Personally, I think 10 seconds is long enough.

If you cant reach your'e downed opponent by then, thats your problem.

10 seconds gives us all a fighting chance, and makes the matches more interesting, and besides im not really a fan of button bashing the A button for 20 seconds only to die anyway.

I suck at GOW online anyways, so I should be an easy kill for you all.

[Dom3us]

I feel 15 seconds would be ideal for the bleed out time but unfortunatley there is no such option so i have decided to choose 20 seconds mainly as this gives the downed enough time to revive themselves if across the map but would at the same time give the downer the chance to kill them if close to them. Finally i think this also means the longshot is still effective at medium ranges but not the ultimate wepon it usally is at long distance.

[Spindryer]

Setting the bleed out time to 20 seconds = 10 seconds "true" time.
Setting the bleed out time to 10 seconds = 5 seconds "true" time.

[Gaskin]

Setting the bleed out to 20 seconds for host = 16 seconds.
Setting the bleed out to 10 seconds for host = 8 seconds.

Bit more unfair for the host on 20 don't you think? Anyway, fair enough that you think it should be 20, but the longshot is still effective long distance if it's set to 20 seconds.

[Spindryer]

For everyones information n benefit, full tests have shown that there is a difference in recovery time between for ON/OFF host:

10 second bleed:
ON host: can recover in 8 seconds
OFF host: can recover in 5 seconds
Off host advantage = 3 seconds

20 second bleed:
ON host: can recover in 15 to 16 seconds
OFF host: cab recover in 9 to 10 seconds
Off host advantage = upto 7 seconds


I think the guy with host wont be complaining too much, it's good to see that host takes longer to get up as it evens up the game and doesn’t make host such a power.

[KONSPIRACY]

Rules will be updated later :cool:

Thread closed.