Your Halo 3 Beta reviews

[BlueHoopedMoose]

OK for those peeps that have a Beta code post your thoughts!

Bagsy first... :cool:

I've played ONE game so far and I'm more excited than a 5 year old getting his first train set. Thoughts so far are...

- Lobby. You know how the lobby system *made* Halo 2 and raised the bar for all future games? Well, it's just been risen again. By a looooong way. This thing is sooo smooth. Highlights are; the Theater (of course), the way it tells you how many people are on line, and in what playlist and the general look of it. Sweet!

- Looks. The graphics are no GoW that's for sure, but then again who wants characters made of Lego? It does, however, look good. I couldn't have a real good look around cos everyone kept killing me :D Improvement over Halo 2? Hell yeah - animations look good, scenery is wicked, the whole environment looks really, really nice.

- Gameplay. Fast and frantic like Halo 2. AR seems to do some decent damage from a medium range (vast improvement on the SMG) and the grenades are lovely. Spike 'nade off the door frame sir? Yes thanks - I'll have two please!

- Levels. Only played one so far (the one they are always showing that looks like a cross between Zanzibar and Beaver Creek) and I must say I liked it. Not too open, lots of places for some good rucks.

I'll post more later!

[Azure]

Do you think the AR is overpowered?

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Do you think the AR is overpowered?

2 games in, and yes, it most probably is for a starting weapon. Trying to think of something to compare it to, but it's tough.

You know how the pistol in Halo 2 used to be powerful, before they changed it? Like that, slightly more range and a ton of bullets. If you were on Midship, stood on middle platform, you'd be rinsing those people stood on either flag spot.

It does seem easier to kill people in general...

[Azure]

Well... I figured it wouild be an accurate SMG :P Which could only ever be a bad thing, how does the BR stack up against the AR? Your description is very worrying for me, an automatic weapon that can "rinse" people from there would be able to pin down people perhaps too effectively, halo's one gameplay weakness in my opinion is the lack of freedom of movement. I don't like the idea of even more "pinning".

Anyways keep at it and update us loads.

[Gaskin]

Someone said playing the beta was like playing LAN, no lag what so ever.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Well... I figured it wouild be an accurate SMG :P Which could only ever be a bad thing, how does the BR stack up against the AR? Your description is very worrying for me, an automatic weapon that can "rinse" people from there would be able to pin down people perhaps too effectively, halo's one gameplay weakness in my opinion is the lack of freedom of movement. I don't like the idea of even more "pinning".

Anyways keep at it and update us loads.

As I said, only played two games so far but there was certainly a couple of people I just seemed to look at and they died. I'll play more later, have a test and post some footage :cool:

[Spindryer]

*Now downlaoding will give a review asap.

[Gaskin]

Wow, I hate you James.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

*Now downlaoding will give a review asap.

Sweet - join the club and all that!

I'll leave the reviews down to you ;)

[Gaskin]

*Screams, throws pc on the floor. I need it!!!*

[Spindryer]

Its was only thanks to Pie In The Sky i got the code, I don't how i will replay him.... ;)

[Azure]

You could just repay him.

[Spindryer]

Right heres a quick summury so far:

The maps are quite open like in CE and the AR is great but it empties out quite quick meaning u can only really kill 1 person per clip. The other thing ive found is the lack of auto aim?? I just had a game of snipers and i had to work for my kills. The amount of kills that i would of got on Halo2 would of won me the game 10x over. So im happy on that respect im not sure what they have done but now it seems u have to hit the head dead on to get your head shot unlike just around the head area.

the Grenades are great and seem to play heavily in Halo3, other weapons well nothing really to write home about apart from the turret u can pick up and use, that things rapes like Jack the ripper.

So i would say its a lot more like CE than Halo2 "imo" and i hope all the maps aren't as open as these as that would suck monkey balls.

[Zyber]

I'm downloading. 79%

[DayC]

Someone said playing the beta was like playing LAN, no lag what so ever.

No i went into a game full of red an yellow bars it lags like a *****. :|

[BlueHoopedMoose]

OK, second impressions, in no particular order:

Grenades: As Spin said, they are much heavier. The spike grenade rules mind you!

Spartan Laser: Very powerful - good job it doesn't have loads of ammo. It is, however, ridiculous fun - the feeling when you blast someone is like you have big magnifying glass and you're popping ants :twisted: Is it too powerful? Too soon to say - more on Balance later...

Lag: The lag is still there, but doesn't seem as bad. Bungie seem to have made the netcode in such a way that things still vanish from your screen (grenades for example) but they actually work - things get blown up. I've lagged out one game so far, which is not bad for a beta?

Lobby: I know I've gone on about it, but there are some really nice touches. Being able to veto a map for one is great - played 4 in a row on Snowbound so I vetoed when it came up again. 4 other people did as well, and we got a different map. Simple, but good idea.
Seeing how many people are in the playlists is very cool as well... as is limiting the types of connection. You can choose to limit to connection quality or "My language"

Melees: This are much more effective, yet there is no lunge. It's quite easy to fire a couple of bursts with an AR then whack 'em on the bonce.

Needler: Good grief. It's back to it's power levels from Halo 1.

Graphics: Much improved. The water looks fantastic and it even pushes you down stream. w00t! Things are generally shinier, and animations are spot on. Some of the weapons look a bit shoddy (BR for one) but maybe that will be tidied up.

Items: The trip mines, the bubble shields, etc. really change the game, and change for the better I think! The shield depleter thingy is great as it eventually kills anything that stays in it's radius too long.

Balance: I'm not sure which weapons are over-powered - it's too early to tell. People spend so long just looking around and stuff that you don't know the full potential of the weapons - did you blast that guy to bits cos your weapon is 1337, or was he too busy looking at the dandelions in the grass? The AR does seem very powerful, but then again the SMG was toilet. The BR still beats it, and the Carbine beats the BR.

Controls: The few button changes really make a difference to start with, but that's down to over-familiarity with the Halo 2 controls. Having reload on RB makes sense, but you WILL drop your action item by mistake at least once! Push to talk with the D-pad is a pain.

Um, maybe more later as I think of stuff. And I *will* post some footage of fun stuff tomorrow

[carocat]

Are there still different control schemes for the controller provided [Southpaw, Jumpy, Green Thumb?] or can you possibly even map the buttons yourself.

The thought of having to press the dpad [does the direction matter?] is bad. I'd love to customise it myself somehow.

The shield depleter thingy is great as it eventually kills anything that stays in it's radius too long.
The what?

[Tim]

Right heres a quick summury so far:

The maps are quite open like in CE and the AR is great but it empties out quite quick meaning u can only really kill 1 person per clip. The other thing ive found is the lack of auto aim?? I just had a game of snipers and i had to work for my kills. The amount of kills that i would of got on Halo2 would of won me the game 10x over. So im happy on that respect im not sure what they have done but now it seems u have to hit the head dead on to get your head shot unlike just around the head area.

the Grenades are great and seem to play heavily in Halo3, other weapons well nothing really to write home about apart from the turret u can pick up and use, that things rapes like Jack the ripper.

So i would say its a lot more like CE than Halo2 "imo" and i hope all the maps aren't as open as these as that would suck monkey balls.

Wow all the stuff sounds awesome, I can't wait till wednesday. I loved CE but never really got into Halo 2.

[Renegade]

Can.

Not.

Wait!


I just know in the first game on each map I'm going to get destroyed, when I'm looking around the map with a grin on my face :D

Oh My ****ing God I've Got A Code Toooooooo!!!!

**** **** **** **** **** ****

*edit* Lmao, 6% in 10 minutes - gonna take a while but I'm on this all night :D:D:D

[xXMFx Massacre]

how big is the download i cant wait for wednesday thanks

[Renegade]

911.17mb exactly lol

[BlueHoopedMoose]

The what?

it's like the bubble shield, but in reverse - it takes out everyone's shield within a certain radius. would be good when stopping people from protecting a flag...

[KONSPIRACY]

Oh My ****ing God I've Got A Code Toooooooo!!!!
Where are all these codes sprouting up from all of a sudden?! :eek:

[Renegade]

Graphics wise, it's not amazing but it is very smooth and the little details are tremendous. Gameplay wise, it's ****ing BRILLIANT.

It seems very fast at first and almost a little random - then you start noticing where things are, what's happening, and it's all so... Halo again :D

*Edit* Territories on High Ground is immense!

*Edit 2* As good as it is, obviously it's still very limited. It's not exactly 'stay up all night' worthy right now lol. But it is excellent, don't get me wrong - it's just that being a Beta, theres only three maps and a few gametypes. Will definitely be giving it a caning tomorrow!

[carocat]

Are there still different control schemes for the controller provided [Southpaw, Jumpy, Green Thumb?] or can you possibly even map the buttons yourself.

The thought of having to press the dpad [does the direction matter?] is bad. I'd love to customise it myself somehow.
Anyone? :0

[Zyber]

Yes you can cat to south paw, Boxer and green thumb (other than default) and direction on the Dpad doesn't matter.

[Spindryer]

Yeah Graphics do look shinny, need to spend a solid few hours on it thought before i cast a whole write up.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Yeah Graphics do look shinny, need to spend a solid few hours on it thought before i cast a whole write up.

oh come on Spin - post your first impressions!!! get carried away with the moment!

[Renegade]

Having played it again this morning - it's amazing. The sound effects are tremendous, and the water really does look good! I'm impressed by the overall smoothness - even with a lot going on. That theme tune, and the words 'Halo 3' are enough to send shivers down my spine every time :D

[FiveOhOne]

I'd just like to add, that whilst I'll be able to play the beta on Wednesday with the rest of the Crackdown endowed population, in the mean time I hope all your xboxes spontaneously combust.

[Renegade]

Haha that's what Gaskin said :p

If it makes you feel any better - here's something you can't see yet:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3144/h3startupel3.jpg

[FiveOhOne]

And you'll not be able to either once I've pulled your eyes out ;)

[Renegade]

And you'll not be able to either once I've pulled your eyes out ;)

There's more ;)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7784/h31gu8.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5783/h32qy4.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8785/h33ko8.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7517/h34yu5.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4028/h35xy3.jpg

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[FiveOhOne]

*is Miffed*

[Renegade]

Haha BlueHoopedMoose got pwned :D

[quickshot89]

meh, watching it via web cam was more fun than looking @ pics

[Renegade]

Playing it on my HDTV was more fun than watching it via webcam

[Bonzo]

Yes you can cat to south paw, Boxer and green thumb (other than default) and direction on the Dpad doesn't matter.
So you can still use the claw then?

[Zyber]

Yea i guess, but the lunge you had in H2 is pretty much gone. You still have a bit of a lunge but not much.

Edit: My Halo 3 experience

Right, thought i'd post up a few thoughts.

Levels

Snowbound - mid sized map, great for slayer and objective games at the same time.
Vahalla - Sweet map. Huge but the man cannons, warthogs and moongeese (lol) help with that. As said in the vidoc, there is nothing more satisfying than sniping someout shooting out of the man cannon...unless its you no scoping someone as you jump out of the man cannon.
High ground - my new zanzibar. No it's not a remake of zanzibar, slightly smaller but just as fun. Beach Vs fort.

Weapons
AR - Starting weapon, very powerful.
BR - AR power but with scope.
Carbine - Pwns all! But again, limited clip.
Spykers - Not a big fan of this weapon. Most of the levels are quite big so Br's and Ar's are the way forward. I'm sure with smaller maps this might be good but for the beta, pretty pants imo.
SMG - See above.
Missile pod - Not had much of a chance to play with this. Seems that it locks onto vehicles but the missiles that come out of it are quite slow.
Rockets. The rockets are back, not much improvement although you can't lock onto vehicles anymore.
Shotgun - really powerful, but a bit slow.
Sniper - Very good now, although a bit slow.
Turrets - Turrets are more powerful and you can now walk off with them. Although you do walk very slowly, same as the missile pod.
Spartan laser - Now this thing rocks, its just a bit hard to shoot. It needs to charge up and fires when ready, so its a bit difficult aim at someone but once you get the hang of it, you'll be lasering them out of the air.

Grenades
Now i thought, just 2 grenades of each type? Thats a bit rubbish but it's not. Anymore and it would just be crazy.

Frag - Don't bounce as much.
Plasma - really nice effects on this now and stick a lot better.
Spike - OMFG tis mint! I love sticking people with these or chucking them against a wall when my enemy is behind me.

Upgrades
I thought this might unbalance the game but it compliments it really well.

Bubble shield - Does what it says on the tin. You can walk in and out of this and is really good not only for slayer but for objective. Throw it down when you have the odd ball, shield your team in KOTH.
Energy drainer - Opposite of the bubble shield. Throw it down and it emits an EMF (i think) which drains everyones shields and if you stay in the radius too long, you die. Not tried it against the bubble shield but the internal shields on snowbound are unaffected by it.
Trip mine - this is loads of fun. Walk over it, you die, drive over you blow up.

Playlists
3 Ranked, 2 unranked (social)

Ranked - Rumble pit, Team slayer and Team skirmish.
Social - Rumble Training and Team Training.

Good mix of gametypes. Odd ball, CTF, KOTH, shotty snipers and a few others.

Misc
Reduced autoaim - good.
Lunge reduced.
Sound effects are amazing! You hear everything and the distant sound effects rule. When you die in the water and your camera goes underwater, the sound changes so it really sounds like you're underwater. It's just amazing. Also, the little things like the sound that the sniper makes, seems to be pretty awesome. All these details have been taken into account.
Graphics - i like the graphics. Some people have complained but this is only a beta build and already you can see the detail they go into. I especially like the water fall. If you die in the water you get taken down stream.
Medals - loads more medals and they are so fun to get. Beyond the grave, sniper spree etc. Although i can confirm there is no medal for no Scoping which is a shame.

All in all the game is awesome. I thought i'd post a couple of my games i've played today as i did pretty well in them.

KOTH game. A few nice kills.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=24237&player=Zyber%20Jedi

I was robbed of this victory. I was kicking ass as well. Tis pants that they lowered the limit to 15 kills instead of 25 in rumble pit though.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=24314&player=Zyber%20Jedi

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Energy drainer - Opposite of the bubble shield. Throw it down and it emits an EMF (i think) which drains everyones shields and if you stay in the radius too long, you die. Not tried it against the bubble shield but the internal shields on snowbound are unaffected by it.

Got my first deliberate kill with one of these this morning - renegadeDS walked through a doorway just as i dropped it. Hearing him say "****, didn't expect that" as I killed him was very satisfying indeed :D

[Renegade]

Haha as was t-bagging you on Valhalla after you camped in the rocks ;)

[Mazzy]

So, Can you play a game with friends ? or is it always just random being a beta ?

[Renegade]

It's the same as Halo 2, apart from no customs. So in team matches you can party up and go into matchmaking with those players on your team, or go in alone and get matched randomly.

[Mazzy]

cool thanks mate.

[quickshot89]

Energy drainer - Opposite of the bubble shield. Throw it down and it emits an EMF (i think) which drains everyones shields and if you stay in the radius too long, you die. Not tried it against the bubble shield but the internal shields on snowbound are unaffected by it.


cant be EMF, the armour is protected by it, and i quote by the books by that

[Zyber]

Well i was just guessing. I've not read any of the books.

[Spindryer]

The only thing its missing really is the less open map, i would of enjoyed a map like Ivory Tower in the Beta.

Anyone up for some TS tonight 4v4 style?

[Renegade]

Yeah I will. I'm sure BlueHoopedMoose will too :D

[BlueHoopedMoose]

The only thing its missing really is the less open map, i would of enjoyed a map like Ivory Tower in the Beta.
Yeah agreed, but the fort part of Highground is quite cool for a ruck or three. And even the open bit has loads of cover - i like the way you can work your way up the beach!

What maps from Halo 2 do you think will make it into 3? I'd be suprised if Lockout was left out!

Yeah I will. I'm sure BlueHoopedMoose will too :D
Yeah I'll be about - but be gentle with me. Je suis une nublet!

[quickshot89]

your all *******s for having the beta (stolen from Lucifer via live)

[Gaskin]

Downloading the beta! omg it better work!!!!!

[quickshot89]

Downloading the beta! omg it better work!!!!!

its gona break your 360, and u wont be able to play it

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Downloading the beta! omg it better work!!!!!

nice one - where did you score a code from?

[Retro]

Am i the only one who thinks playing the beta slighty destroys the excitement leading up to the release of the biggest game of the year?3

[Renegade]

Retro - if anything, it's hyping me up for the campaign

[Gaskin]

I got it from my 3rd account on bungie. 65% downloaded.

[Renegade]

Wow, 3 accounts? ;)

[Gaskin]

Wow. It's amazing. = nuff said.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Am i the only one who thinks playing the beta slighty destroys the excitement leading up to the release of the biggest game of the year?3

Don't think that all - the beta's only available for 3 weeks, and then we have to wait how many months to get the final game? 4, 5 maybe 6... That's a huge amount of time in which to have forgotten all about the beta!

Personally I think that it's another perfect marketing ploy by the chaps at bungie!

[Renegade]

Hey moose - sorry I couldn't make it online last night - for some reason my 360 wouldn't sign on to my profile...

Moose, Gaskin, Spindryer - we playing tonight? To4 TS? About 7pm onwards?


*Oh, and another little comment about the Beta - how damn nice is it to be playing Halo, win lose or draw, and not get some little **** calling me a n*gger or swearing his arse off at me? Basically - there are NO kids playing this game. It's FUN to play!

[Retro]

Don't think that all - the beta's only available for 3 weeks, and then we have to wait how many months to get the final game? 4, 5 maybe 6... That's a huge amount of time in which to have forgotten all about the beta!

Personally I think that it's another perfect marketing ploy by the chaps at bungie!


Hmmm maybe.


But im sure being a non beta player I will gain a lot more excitement leading up to the retail date, and will be impressed with the over all game as i had not played it four months ealier.

[FiveOhOne]

If you play the beta, then you know what it is exactly that your getting excited about.. Plus from the M$ perspective, your going to be going on about how cool the beta was to all your mates blah blah..

[Renegade]

I'm more excited now then I was before the beta.

Now I am looking forward to the campaign more than I ever was before, and it's got me seriously hyped about the remainder of the maps in multiplayer. Also, I will be going in to every match on High Ground thinking 'I remember this, the first map I ever played in the beta' and the moment me and BlueHoopedMoose crawled through the same tunnel (nobody ever goes into it, yet me and him did at the same time from opposite sides) and had a gunfight in a crouched tunnel. I can't wait to play it in retail

Little things I've seen in the beta are hyping me up to crazy proportions. I thought it might ruin it if I played it - but when you think that after three weeks it will be gone and we will all want more, I get hyped more than ever.

[Simm0ns]

What I posted on H3F about some problems I noticed on the Beta.

Some stuff is just plain ****:

The beatdowns are so slow and boring. Theres no quick BXB beatdowns in this. You press B and do a beatdown, then frantically press B for like 5 seconds before MC decides to do another one.

The spartan laser is worst weapon addition since the sword. Only a retard would miss a laser shot. I dont think Ive missed one yet, and I dont think anyone has missed any against me. Way overpowered.

The assault rifle is basically just the SMG all over again. Spawning with a weapon you want to get rid of as soon as possible. It looks cool and reminds you of CE, but when its a pile of **** that doesnt matter much.

One hit beatdown with the ball without jumping. Bungie mustve been on crack when they programmed this one in. Yesterday I stood behind one of them shield walls with the ball and just pressed B anytime someone came in, which brings me to;

Those walls that bullets and nades cant go through. Basically shite in every way you could ever conceive. There cant be anyone that thinks these are a good idea. Lets say for example its team oddball. One team sits inside one of the bases protected by these walls on Snowbound with the (almightly one hit beatdown) oddball and three teammates with shotguns sitting by the walls. The other team cant shoot and cant nade them, so what the **** can they do? Run in like idiots and hope not to die. Worst idea ever (along with the spartan laser).

I could comment on various other problems (and improvements) but theyre some of the main gay things Ive noticed.

[Azure]

One hit beatdown with the ball without jumping

Are you serious?

[Simm0ns]

No ****.

I found that out yesterday and couldnt believe how retarded it was. Piss easy to get ball beatdowns. They seriously need to change that on the final game. Hopefully its just a particular setting they had on the gametype I was matched on.

[Azure]

Those walls that bullets and nades cant go through. Basically shite in every way you could ever conceive. There cant be anyone that thinks these are a good idea. Lets say for example its team oddball. One team sits inside one of the bases protected by these walls on Snowbound with the (almightly one hit beatdown) oddball and three teammates with shotguns sitting by the walls. The other team cant shoot and cant nade them, so what the **** can they do? Run in like idiots and hope not to die. Worst idea ever

I argued that a while back as well in addition to the bubble shield. I hate it when people include stuff that just absolutely reeks of "Hey I have a good idea, let's...".

[Simm0ns]

The worst thing about Bungie though, they can never seem to admit when theyre wrong and just scrap a **** idea.

Dual weilding for example was a **** idea, but instead of just admitting they ****ed up, they tried to improve an idea that cant be improved upon and stick it in the next game.

Thats why Im thinking all this **** is gonna be in the final game cos Bungie wont scrap all their **** ideas.

[Renegade]

The thing is, I love the fact there's no BXB glitching anymore.

The laser takes ages to charge, and is easy to avoid. Jump when it shoots and it will miss.

The bubble shield is temporary, and cannot be deployed whilst holding the ball.

Having used the AR - it's powerful, and is a decent subsitute for the BR. It has more or less the same power but no scope.

Some people will moan about anything. I never had so much fun playing Halo 2. I love what they've done to Halo 3. If you don't, that's ****ing brilliant by me - it means one less person I won't have to listen to moaning about it.

[Simm0ns]

You are saying the assault rifle on H3 is as powerful as the BR on H2?

OK I wont bother reading whatelse you wrote.

[Gaskin]

The AR is fairly balanced, it's more powerful than the old SMG and slightly less powerful than the BR. This is brilliant, it's not a **** weapon as you can kill someone with it easily. To be honest I've been matched up against the old 'Halo 2 pros' when I played round my mates, and I battered them. It looks like they can't cope without the auto-aim and weapon glitches. I've never had so much fun playing Halo online.

[FiveOhOne]

The AR is fairly balanced, it's more powerful than the old SMG and slightly less powerful than the BR. This is brilliant, it's not a **** weapon as you can kill someone with it easily. To be honest I've been matched up against the old 'Halo 2 pros' when I played round my mates, and I battered them. It looks like they can't cope without the auto-aim and weapon glitches. I've never had so much fun playing Halo online.


Thats want I wanted to hear.

+ 1 beard stroke for Gaskin :p

[Bonzo]

The spartan laser is worst weapon addition since the sword. Only a retard would miss a laser shot. I dont think Ive missed one yet, and I dont think anyone has missed any against me. Way overpowered.

The assault rifle is basically just the SMG all over again. Spawning with a weapon you want to get rid of as soon as possible. It looks cool and reminds you of CE, but when its a pile of **** that doesnt matter much.

One hit beatdown with the ball without jumping. Bungie mustve been on crack when they programmed this one in. Yesterday I stood behind one of them shield walls with the ball and just pressed B anytime someone came in, which brings me to;

Those walls that bullets and nades cant go through. Basically shite in every way you could ever conceive. There cant be anyone that thinks these are a good idea. Lets say for example its team oddball. One team sits inside one of the bases protected by these walls on Snowbound with the (almightly one hit beatdown) oddball and three teammates with shotguns sitting by the walls. The other team cant shoot and cant nade them, so what the **** can they do? Run in like idiots and hope not to die. Worst idea ever (along with the spartan laser).
More reasons to play custom games so you don't have to play with ****tarded settings like that. I havent played the beta yet but that sounds awful.

[Gaskin]

Thats want I wanted to hear.

+ 1 beard stroke for Gaskin :p

I will keep you to that word.

Yeah Dan I'm up for some 4v4 at 7.

We've got a possible 5 though.

Me, James, Dan, Andi, Ryan.

[FiveOhOne]

Me, James, Dan, Andi, Ryan.


I hate you all equally. Roll on Weds :(

[Razor]

Why has the BR gone from a good looking weapon to something like this?
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Artyr/Halo/Weapons/BattleRifle/battle_rifle.jpg

[Renegade]

Well Dan (2 lol), you know I deserve to be in it ;)

Simmons - I'm not saying that. The AR on Halo 3 is close to the power of the BR on H3, in terms of time spent firing the shots. Considering the BR is burst fire, by the time you have fired enough to kill with the BR (considering no auto aim, fourshotting is a lot tougher) you could also have killed with the AR, which fires continuously. Obviously, bullet-for-bullet, the BR is the winner, and combined with the reach of it makes it a much better gun - but, the AR is no slouch and is a perfectly capable starting weapon.

Also, about the thing on snowbound - BOTH bases have more than 4 ways of getting into them, with two of them being attached by tunnels to other bases and to outlets in the snow. Meaning that at least two of your options are not covered by impenetrable walls. Meaning - stop going the damn obvious route, and go around. And if you can't avoid the spartan laser, I'm going to laugh at you.

Most of your opinions were 100% null and void as soon as you mentioned the lack of BxB as your first point. It's tremendous that the players reliant on things like that are being ousted - and then to moan about all the other settings shows to me that you're largely incapable of playing the game as it's intended, and without auto-aim and glitches you're playskill is massively reduced. Excellent. It's not 'slow and boring', it's how it should be. The only reason it feels different to you is because you were cheating on Halo 2.

On a seperate note - I LOVE the match record feature. I have already uploaded a game on Valhalla with Moose and another guy we had a laugh with, and am waiting for more people to upload some for me to check out! It's going to be brilliant if we ever come across cheaters - save the game, upload it, let Bungie know. Job done.

[Gaskin]

The BR doesn't look bad. It looks like it's being held differently but certainly not bad. I think what people are failing to understand is that this is a ****ing BETA. The game's going to change completely in those 6 months after. Quit your whining and enjoy your insight of Halo 3 while you can.

[Renegade]

TBH Dan, I can't see it changing too much. Little things maybe, but graphically and playstyle-wise, I would be staggered if it changes. Which is OK, 'cuz it's ace!

Razor - I can't say I noticed too much of a change in the BR. I rarely used it in Halo 2 as I was a sniper, but it looks very similar, just lit differently when you hold it. It fires the same though.

[Gaskin]

It's not a finalized version, it's just a testing one. People are complaining like this is exactly how everything is going to be - it's not. Understand?

[KONSPIRACY]

I'm with Jay on this one...burn infidels! :D

[Renegade]

Yeah man, I totally get ya. But what I'm saying is, all we are testing is the technicals, such as uploading, matchmaking, system-stuff, as Bungie themselves have said. The game itself and the contents are going to be largely unchanged.

And I apologise, but I don't know first names -

Andi, James, Ryan?

[Gaskin]

Andi - Moose. James - Spindryer. Ryan - Tugsy.

Yeah I know what you mean, but what I meant to say was everything could change. I can't see things changing too much, maybe slight adjustments to weapons etc if too many auto aim kiddies complain.

[Renegade]

Ah ok, got them names now!

But Spindryer probably hates me after our discussion before, lol!

I hope Bungie leave it as it is to be honest. I wouldn't mind a little graphics improvement, but if they don't (which they won't) I won't be bothered. I hope the auto-aim stays away, and they leave the stupid glitches out. RUINED Halo 2.

For anyone playing with me (Dan) and Gaskin (Dan) at the same time, I would prefer to be called Renegade. It's what I'm used to! Or call him Daniel, Danny, or Danielle.

[Simm0ns]

Well Dan (2 lol), you know I deserve to be in it ;)

Simmons - I'm not saying that. The AR on Halo 3 is close to the power of the BR on H3, in terms of time spent firing the shots. Considering the BR is burst fire, by the time you have fired enough to kill with the BR (considering no auto aim, fourshotting is a lot tougher) you could also have killed with the AR, which fires continuously. Obviously, bullet-for-bullet, the BR is the winner, and combined with the reach of it makes it a much better gun - but, the AR is no slouch and is a perfectly capable starting weapon.

Also, about the thing on snowbound - BOTH bases have more than 4 ways of getting into them, with two of them being attached by tunnels to other bases and to outlets in the snow. Meaning that at least two of your options are not covered by impenetrable walls. Meaning - stop going the damn obvious route, and go around. And if you can't avoid the spartan laser, I'm going to laugh at you.

Most of your opinions were 100% null and void as soon as you mentioned the lack of BxB as your first point. It's tremendous that the players reliant on things like that are being ousted - and then to moan about all the other settings shows to me that you're largely incapable of playing the game as it's intended, and without auto-aim and glitches you're playskill is massively reduced. Excellent. It's not 'slow and boring', it's how it should be. The only reason it feels different to you is because you were cheating on Halo 2.

On a seperate note - I LOVE the match record feature. I have already uploaded a game on Valhalla with Moose and another guy we had a laugh with, and am waiting for more people to upload some for me to check out! It's going to be brilliant if we ever come across cheaters - save the game, upload it, let Bungie know. Job done.
Nooooooo you stupid ****.

If I was going to complain about weapon glitches Id have complained about weapon glitches. I said the beatdowns on Halo 3 are too slow. I liked BXBing people cos it was fast and frantic, not slow and ****.

Those walls are ****. Plain and simple. Not being able to shoot and nade people at any time is ridiculous for Halo.

Halo 3 has less auto-aim and Im glad it does. You dont hear me complaining do you?

You say Im complaining cos I 'cheated' by using weapon glitches, when the reality is you were just too **** to use them and got slapped by everyone.

I may be complaining about H3 but Ill still be better than you. Im just not saying its good like a retard without thinking about some of the **** stuff on it.

Laugh at me cos I cant avoid the spartan laser? NO idiot, because its SO ****ING EASY TO HIT PEOPLE.

People probably avoid your shots cos you couldnt hit your own arse with it.

[Razor]

Keep it civil folks.
Next insults thrown recieve an infraction

[Zyber]

You can add me to the list guys. Zyber Jedi AKA Matt.

[Renegade]

Nooooooo you stupid ****.

If I was going to complain about weapon glitches Id have complained about weapon glitches. I said the beatdowns on Halo 3 are too slow. I liked BXBing people cos it was fast and frantic, not slow and ****.

Those walls are ****. Plain and simple. Not being able to shoot and nade people at any time is ridiculous for Halo.

Halo 3 has less auto-aim and Im glad it does. You dont hear me complaining do you?

You say Im complaining cos I 'cheated' by using weapon glitches, when the reality is you were just too **** to use them and got slapped by everyone.

I may be complaining about H3 but Ill still be better than you. Im just not saying its good like a retard without thinking about some of the **** stuff on it.

Laugh at me cos I cant avoid the spartan laser? NO idiot, because its SO ****ING EASY TO HIT PEOPLE.

People probably avoid your shots cos you couldnt hit your own arse with it.

Yeah you're right, I'm **** at Halo. I've never said otherwise, and really don't care if you beat me or not, the fact that you think I'm bothered if I win or lose a game of Halo shows how immature you are. I won't pretend I'm good at Halo, but what I will say is:

If being good at Halo means I pick fault in every little thing and jump on any changes because I'm so insecure that I worry about Bungie changing little things that I exploited to make me good last time, or moan about the new changes because it's different than the game I spent hours and hours getting good at to beat random people online and I can't accept changes....

Then thank **** I'm **** at Halo.

Bottom line: I'm ****, and am loving the game. You're good, and you hate it. Rather me than you.

[Simm0ns]

Noobs dont know what theyre talking about.

All your points and null and void because youre a noob.

[Renegade]

And there, is everything bad about Halo wrapped up into one little nugget of a post.

Please, hate Halo so much that you don't buy it. It's better for the rest of us.

[Gaskin]

Alright simmo calm down son. I wouldn't go throwing about that you're better than anyone as I know for a fact I was a darn good player at Halo 2 and would give you a run for your money. I didn't like the weapon glitches in Halo 2, that doesn't mean I couldn't use them. I used them just as much as any other player. But you're complaining about a BETA, of course a lot of the gameplay will stay the same, but you can't be sure nothing is going to change. Enjoy it, it's Halo 3. :)

(I was writing up my review but closed the window by accident. Will do it again later)

[Simm0ns]

I never said I hated Halo 3.

Theres thing I dont like about Halo 2 but I still play it.

Arent we forgetting who started this?

Some people will moan about anything. I never had so much fun playing Halo 2. I love what they've done to Halo 3. If you don't, that's ****ing brilliant by me - it means one less person I won't have to listen to moaning about it.

That was before I said anything to you so you can **** off acting all mature.

[Gaskin]

He wasn't really aiming anything at your particularly. But I'm guessing his concern, like mine - is why do people always moan? People can never accept a game for what it is. Obviously there's going to be things you don't like, but people should appreciate what bungie are doing rather than rubbishing everything.

[Renegade]

You made a post full of negative comments, slagging off all the things that practically everyone has said they enjoy.

I stand by my comment. I hate hearing people moan about every little ****ing thing - it's a BETA so we can test the game early, and you still moan and whinge about it. Resorting to personal **** in a forum about a game is tragic.

[Simm0ns]

Your Halo 3 Beta Reviews is the title of this thread isnt it?

What would be the point of this thread if everyone just said positive things. I actually see whats good and bad about the game when everyone else just plays it with a stupid smile on their face and dont look into the good and bad aspects of it at all.

What are forums for?

Renegade **** off your too much of a stupid **** for me to bother with.

Edit: Im sorry I didnt mean that.

Sorry your views are different to mine.

[Gaskin]

I look for the bad aspects of the game. But I have yet to find anything major that causes me to create uproar on a forum. I will tell everyone when I believe something isn't how I expected it or not as good as I thought it'd be, but I won't complain at Bungie like loads of kids have.

[Simm0ns]

OK then Ill retract everything I said and replace it all with:

"I like teh Beta. I think it is good. I cant wait for the final version yay."

Now were all happy and all think Halo 3 is the perfect game with no flaws whatsoever.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Moose's 2 cents worth re: the AR...

I think it is a perfect starting weapon. When you spawn with it you know you have a fighting chance against anyone. With the SMG you had no chance, with the AR you do. On several forums all I've heard from the MLG posse is "Oh but if I spawn in the open I'll be dead in seconds" True... but from what I've seen so far you'd be unlucky to spawn in the open (by open I mean middle of Coag) - the levels have loads of cover, and you can quite easily move between it in relatively safety. Some mod on bungie.net summed it up nicely - why concentrate on making the starting weapon uber-cool when you can solve the problem in many other ways?

Simms: Calm down and stop resorting to name calling please.

[Renegade]

:rolleyes: :D

It's funny you call me stupid, then say it's too much for you to bother with. Beaten by someone stupid, huh?

You see good and bad things? Yeah, so do I. I'm sure everyone does. I'm not impressed by the graphics, they aren't what I was expecting. The spyker is a freaking terrible weapon. I can see past them though. I don't come here slagging everything off - I know it's a privelage to be able to play such a big game so early in such an advanced stage. It's just the whining I can't stand. The things you hate are the things that have changed from Halo 2. It's inevitable, and a welcome change. I was so sick of people moaning on Halo 2 about host, shotguns, snipers, glitches, superjumps, etc etc and I'm glad Bungie are trying to make it more fun. Call it 'noobified' if you want, but the less MLG/Pro tossers that infect Halo 3, the better. NOT accusing you of being one of them, but just the incessant whining is doing my head in.

You know those gaming forums where you get those annoying little fanboy kids saying 'OMG teh Halo 3 has been downgraded and looks nowhere near teh Crysis LOL!!11'...

Oh, and at the end of the day, we disagree about a game. Stop being the forum hardman, it's just irritating.

[IcemanLeigh]

In fairness. Hlf of the point behind a beta is for bungie to get some feedback on the game when they have enough to be able to change it before release.

However things like 'there are no quick BXB beatdowns' just make your point seem invalid. There were no quick BXB beatdowns in the last halo, it was just a glitch that people found and explioted. If it was something that was intended for the game then you are fine to comment on it in relation to this one.

It is your way of getting things across that peope dont like simm. You made your points (slightly aggresively) about how '****' some things were about the game, rather than posting them up as things that could be improved or you dont like etc. Then proceed to belittle and insult anyone who disagrees with you. Before finally making a sarcastic post in an attempt to make some point which no-one really cares about in the first place..

There is nothing wrong with posting opinions about the game, but just remember that other people have theirs too and they dont have to always agree with yours..

[Renegade]

*applauds*

[IcemanLeigh]

It's inevitable, and a welcome change. I was so sick of people moaning on Halo 2 about host, shotguns, snipers, glitches, superjumps, etc etc and I'm glad Bungie are trying to make it more fun. Call it 'noobified' if you want, but the less MLG/Pro tossers that infect Halo 3, the better. NOT accusing you of being one of them, but just the incessant whining is doing my head in.

Quoted for truth..

[Simm0ns]

OK not quick BXB beatdowns then, just quick beatdowns. BXB was good cos you had to press other buttons as well as aim, which made it harder and thats why some of you complained cos you werent good enough to do it.

I aplogised for calling you a **** before.

[Renegade]

Thing is Simms - I could do it. I never did, as I thought it was scummy. That's why I ignored the H2 tournament at XL - because it was over abused. I dunno - I like the beatdowns. Just play differently - instead of rushing opponents, retreat and cover. It's probably going to make it less 'gung ho' now.

[Simm0ns]

Why would you not BXB? It became a part of the game as much as shooting and jumping. Halo 2 was much more fun with weapon glitches you just never gave them a chance.

[Renegade]

It wasn't fun. It became too repetetive. IMO.

[Azure]

The game then would take less skill to compete, this is the issue I have with it and probably Simmons although he got too mad to express it.

When you are playing a game like halo a huge amount of the fun that goes into it is the reward you get from either being naturally talented at the game or from hard work and perseverance. BxB may well have been a glitch but it added a layer of complexity. More complexity allows for more stratification between good players and bad.

The "bad" people do not seem to realise, actually, that this is only a good thing for them because the "pro" kids will never play them, they will be 300 miles in front moaning to one another whilst you can have this thing called "fun".

Instead you seem to welcome the fact that they are stripping the complexity [what little] the game has had, all it means is that you will get demolished by better players with smarter playstyles than you, or if the skill cap has been lowered so much then it will result into a more dicey chance based game [chainsaw on gears anyone?]. Follow that through and you may as well just flip coins to see who wins, it is not a healthy direction to go looking at either outcome.

Dumbed down games have less player control over their outcomes. This is only a bad thing.

[KONSPIRACY]

I havent played the beta but hopefully H3 wont have been dumbed down too much to not make it competitive...only time will tell I suppose when we can start customising game options and weapon sets.

[Cormac]

If there is a more level playing field with less distinction in skill how will the "bad" players continue to get trounced?
Surely that implies there is enough room for skill to win through?

The cream will still rise to the top but maybe it won't be the same cream as last time!

[Azure]

Cormac I did directly go into that...

Instead you seem to welcome the fact that they are stripping the complexity [what little] the game has had, all it means is that you will get demolished by better players with smarter playstyles than you, or if the skill cap has been lowered so much then it will result into a more dicey chance based game [chainsaw on gears anyone?]. Follow that through and you may as well just flip coins to see who wins, it is not a healthy direction to go looking at either outcome.

The ironic thing Cormac, Jay, Moose and co is that I want to play Halo 3 in a style akin to yours, call it crap, casual or "fun" either way it is not what I played as in Halo 2 and I know only too well the grief that comes along from being a pro wannabe. If there is not a sufficient provision to seperate the elite from the great, the great from the good, the good from the decent, the decent to the fair the fair to the poor and the poor to the abysmal it hurts everyone and turns the social play of the game from something nice and fun into "You ****ing prick I ****ing own you", people resort to that kind of crap because the game doesn't allow it to be extremely obvious who is the better player.

I keep going on about warsow but there... If you arent good you really do know about it ina stupidly obvious way, and everyone on there is polite, there is no smack talk as everyone knows where they are on the skill ladder.

If you were both poor teams you'd know it and could have fun, if you're both professional team and the distinction is very clear, then you have fun, the graying of those borders is where halo turns nasty.

[Renegade]

Well myself, Moose, Tugsy and Gaskin just played a 4v4 slayer on Valhalla, against players technically better than us. Our teamwork won out and we destroyed them. It was fun.

[Simm0ns]

Its not all dumbed down though. There doesnt seem to be any weapon glitches, but there seems to be less auto-aim than Halo 2 which is definately a good thing. You cant sweep snipe with the snipe anymore, and it has a slower rate of fire (both good things). Also the BR seems harder to aim from a short distance which I like.

[Azure]

against players technically better than us. Our teamwork won out and we destroyed them

They weren't technically better then :P

Teamwork is #1

OH yeah i'm really pleased there is less auto aim it is great any slower rate of fire on the sniper rifle is good to, anyone having played Perryuk will know all about that. I am just providing a voice from the otherside to the "BxB and all things like that are bad mmkay".

[FiveOhOne]

The ironic thing Cormac, Jay, Moose and co is that I want to play Halo 3 in a style akin to yours, call it crap, casual or "fun".


I resent that! I was good, just not bothered enough to learn all the glitches, terminology etc to become 'exceptional'... My comment was with regard to all the 'bad kid' wanna-be's, if they decide its too 'noob' for them all the better, means I don't have to suffer all their crap in the lower ranks!

Edit: Just reread your post Harris. Ignore me.. :p

[Cormac]

I see your point Azure.

Surely thats the point of ranks and matchmaking though.

I just liked playing with friends against friendly opposition on Halo 2.

All the hoopla surrounding this game over the last few days has been as exciting as playing any 360 game to date. I'm going to **** myself when I finally play it. I'm back on the boat.

[Azure]

That is entirely the point of rankings.

However they were reversed in Halo 2.

All the crappy people cheated to get their rank up in turn pissing off the better players so they would forcibly de-level to thrash newbs. I did it at least 3 times myself. The rankings were borked, me and perry carried so, so many bad people to level 40+ when waiting ages for a forced host match... It was a joke.

Thinking about it, they can probably make halo 3 as "bad" as they like, as long as they fix the cheating then it'll be worth it.

[KONSPIRACY]

All the hoopla surrounding this game over the last few days has been as exciting as playing any 360 game to date. I'm going to **** myself when I finally play it. I'm back on the boat.
Halo3 has the power to unite the gaming community as opposed to the current crop of games that openly divides and alienates. In time H3 will go the same way as H2 with a clear split between competitive and casual players...but it will be fun getting there n having a friends list full of ppl playing the same game as you just like the good ole days! :D

[Mazzy]

as long as they fix the cheating then it'll be worth it.

Amen to that.

[KONSPIRACY]

Praise the lord! :D

If weapon glitches and super bounces have been removed completely, and the vast array of host issues addressed...how are the bad kids gonna get their kicks?! You cant argue that the weapon glitches on H2 didnt add another dimension to the game and player skill, so how long till new glitches are found and exploited?

[Simm0ns]

Halo isnt Halo without weapon glitches.

[Bonzo]

I hope their isn't any shitty glitches like superbouncing in Halo 3, i also hope that the bad kidz wont find anyway of modding up and get their arse kicked by the genuine good players at long last

[NeoKubrick]

I can understand Azure's argument about dividing the line between 'good' and 'elite', but I don't think that line should be cut it where a person's access to specific information about the game (id est: how to perform a doubleshot with the Battle Rifle) is of relevance. To me, that's a cheap method to apply depth and complexity to a game.

Personally, I think games (especially online games) should set-up rules and abide by them, and force the player to, too.

[quickshot89]

What I posted on H3F about some problems I noticed on the Beta.

Some stuff is just plain ****:

The beatdowns are so slow and boring. Theres no quick BXB beatdowns in this.

i stopped reading his post after this

[Azure]

Everyone stopped reading yours years ago.

The double shot should not exist true, but it was a fair glitch, it was pretty hard to pull off and if you bork it you do end up dead.

Super bouncing on top of the main tower with the sniper rifles on ascension is the kind of thing I take issue with. Suppose really it comes down to "griefing", nob heads who rammed their team mates with the bomb out the map when they were winning by a round etc.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Remove the ranks, remove the griefers, right? Unfortunately it seems like the ranks are here to stay - good news for all you rank-whores out there!!!(you know who you are...)

EDIT: Bizare, but according to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer) anyone that uses the double-shot or whatever could be classed as a griefer!!! :rolleyes:

[FiveOhOne]

EDIT: Bizare, but according to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer) anyone that uses the double-shot or whatever could be classed as a griefer!!! :rolleyes:


But but but, it's not a glitch, it's a FEATURE! ;)

[Azure]

Cmon Moosey use the grey matter some more.

Griefers grief because they get kicks out of... Griefing. Rank has nothing to do with it, they just enjoy ****ing a game up.

Double shots are in no way grief tactics, I really hope you all know the difference... :( Ranking system is great for my aforementioned idea of a healthy skill segregation, as long as the actual ranking system works.

[Pie In The Sky]

IMO weapon glitches were a good thing.
I was not a good player on Halo2, but practised the likes of BXR and BXB for months. The sense of acomplishment when you finally get the hang of them and can use them is huge. Right at the end of when i still played Halo2 religously, I even knew how to double-shot...kinda.
Anyone that can actually use weapon glitches can not deny the fact that it takes skill to use them. If you say 'oh I knew how to do them, just chose not to' then you're either lieing, or have a seriously ****ed up head.

[Azure]

You ****ing preach it brother.

[Renegade]

Azure - what is a person has no access to information about how to double shot, BXB. BXR, etc etc? I came into Halo 2 VERY late (Jan last year) and was immediately raped by people doing it. I asked what they had done, and they wouldn't tell me. I tried asking around, and nobody would tell me. So I delved further into the Halo world and signed up for Bungie.net, and found out what was going on. But imagine if I was a more casual gamer, or was at a friends house playing - I wouldn't have bothered, and would never have played it again. Imagine if I hadn't got access to a computer - how would I find out?

I know you argue 'everyone can do it' but that's very far from true. Players that don't have the channels to find out can't do it. It's a glitch, and to be honest the amount of BxR and BxBing that Halo 2 degenerated into because of those damn MLG Infestations caused me more grief than a superjump ever did.

Pie - there most definitely are players that knew how, and didn't do it. I'm one of them - I knew button glitching was rife, so I avoided Hardcore and Slayer, and played snipers instead almost 100%, so that I didn't have to drop down to glitching. I know how to Superjump, and it would put me at a massive advantage (same as glitching does), but I don't and won't do it. If I was in a hardcore situation, and it was a case of kill or be killed, I used BxBs. However, I felt scummy, so very rarely played Hardcore again. To me it's the same as Pro Evo - there are players that will cut back or score soft goals or use Brazil and win 9-0. But I respect someone more that scores well worked goals or uses Scotland and wins 1-0 or gets a draw. I would much rather finish mid table with a poor side, then finish top with Brazil.

[Azure]

I don't know how to say this without sounding callous... I really honestly don't mean to be offensive here...

But all the **** people who took the 2 days to learn the glitches immediately swapped views and I do mean all of them. And I am really sorry that no one took the time to teach you how to glitch, they probably thought you were taking the piss tbh. I tried teaching countless people. Those who learned loved it and those who couldnt manage it in the first 10 seconds gave up and were happy to be mown down in all the subsequent games...

Pie in the Sky was so bad I thought he was taking the piss, but after a lot of the whip he improved his playstyle a lot and got the simple glitches down. I still remember to this day when he first ever popped off a double shot and killed someone with it, he wouldnt shut up about it for 3 days. His view of "It isnt fair, but I shot you" changed as soon as he actually understood how the dynamics of the game worked.

Pushing BxB or BRX is not hard, is not dirty I just cannot see where people get this view from. This stuff was done in Halo with nade tossing and back pack reloading and was regarded as skillfull, not skillful in itself you understand but skillfull when applied correctly and consistently.

And besides the glitches were found from level 5 onwards. It was open for everyone and anyone. You ask if you didnt have a computer what would you have done?

I ask who has broadband without a computer?

[Razor]

I was **** at Halo 2 before learning the glitches and getting a clue. I suggest you do the same because your preaching of hate towards the gameplay glitches is ridiculous tbh. Glitches will be found and exploited and it will happen to halo 3 as it did the two games in the series.

[Renegade]

Read my post again, it might help.

I can glitch Halo 2. I can BxB and BxR. I had to find out myself how to do it sure, but I can do it and will do it if thrown into that situation. However, I didn't want to use it and never, EVER felt satisfied by doing it - unless someone did it to me first. I didn't use it in any match unless I knew the opponent was doing it to us. I stayed away from Hardcore and went to snipers only, where glitching is a lot less rife, and even superjumping stops at level 34 onwards, which was nice.

I'm sure glitches will be found on Halo 3, but as long as it's not a blindingly stupid weapon glitch or a rediculous 'get above the map' glitch, I hope it won't effect gameplay too much. Also, now with the 360 and downloadable updates, they can be much more easily fixed.

I'm the same boat as Gaskin really - I can use them, but hate the fact that we were reduced to doing it instead of mastering the game the way it should have been. I didn't like using it no matter how good I got at using it, so I avoided the situation where I would have to - I didn't play hardcore.

If I wanted to score cutbacks and soft goals on PES I could easily do so and **** all over a lot of people. But it's scummy, and I would much rather lose and enjoy the game, then grab what I consider to be a cheap win.

I'm not having a go at you guys, it's personal opinion. I've been hyped for Halo 3 for months, simply for the hope that it would eradicate the whole 'its cheating/its not' situation by not including it in the first place.

[Azure]

Here is the catch though, when you say...

I'm the same boat as Gaskin really - I can use them, but hate the fact that we were reduced to doing it instead of mastering the game the way it should have been.

The glitches really only came about because peopel had mastered the game. Especially the 2nd generation glitches like Double shotting and suicide spawns.

And you talk about cut backs and stuff, thats a cheap dynamic of the game, there isnt anythign cheap about using the halo gameplay [not standby/superbouncing] glitches... I suppose you can call these glitches cheap whilst at the same time shouting "whoop whoop" with the sword for the triple kill?

I will take quickshot for instance, tried teaching him many moons ago, he wasnt interested and instead decided to play the game how it was meant to be played.

To clarify, that meant running at people holding down both triggers whilst dualling, running at people with a sword chopping, or running at people with a shotgun. Really, there is no point in that from a gameplay perspective.

[Renegade]

I suppose that's a point, but you still found the people that couldn't BR for **** but knew how to BxB like a madman. When glitching became widespread, players would learn the glitches first before knowing much about the basics. I know I did.

[Azure]

Oh yeah now we are getting a step up! Awesome.

You are 100% correct, the people "resorting to" glitches were typically terrible, a lot of people don't seem to udnerstand the fact that someone who is bad at the game looking for a win win ticket by learning the glitches were still "bad".

First and foremost comes the intelligence and individual skill then teamwork which is a masssssssive topic broken mainly into communication, roles, positioning, and then synergistic play. Then and only then, glitches.

More than a few of the best UK teams cannot and will not use double shots in 4v4 matches, but if they are beaten by someone who does use them they openly acknowledge a fair defeat. And this is why, the double shots, and quad shots are so difficult to pull off and carry such grave consequences that they cannot be defined as cheap. They are the diamond collection of "moves" you could pull, you stuff it up and you are dead for no good reason and that can cause entire games to shift if it was a key kill.

What are your thoughts of people who use a keyboard and mouse for halo?

No deadspaces on strafe is a major bonus over a controller, a massive one. And circle strafing is very simple to do, the strafing cannot ever be done by anyone else on a pad and the circle strafing is limited ot those who really push it and use the claw technique. What are your thoughts on that? If you are not 100% what I mean by circle strafing in regards to halo specifically think of it like this. You go to beat someone down, or BxB them, they disappear and you get assassinated, and this happens 70% of the time.

[Renegade]

Well on circle strafing, I went through Goldeneye circle strafing, so I picked it up. It's relatively easy to circle strafe with a controller - unless I've misunderstood your point there.

Using a KBM input on a specific console game is, to me, cheap - but only until the game in question acknowledges the KBM and implements it into the game specifically. As you know, there is no official KBM for the 360, and so anyone using it is using an unofficial connector (as far as I know) and is immiediately at an advantage to somebody using a pad. If Halo 3 were to have an official KBM connector be released for use in game, it's no longer cheap - because it's meant to be there and becomes a choice of input, rather than just 'advantageous'.

It's a very good point that high end teams deem BxB and BxR to be the definition of higher skill, and I agree that at their level it should be. But honestly, how many of us here ever competed at that level? How many of us here can honestly say that, without BxR or BxB, that we could outplay La1 or Lethal, or any of the other high-end professionals? If all glitches were removed, could you beat them or even tie them? If not, my point is this - when your (and by your I don't mean YOU Azure, I just mean a question to those people in general) grasp of the fundamental Halo 2 play, such as positioning, timing, synergy and communication, is not enough to match the best of the best, why not improve those aspects of your game before trying to master a glitch that you will never be fully able to implement because the surrounding areas of your game are too limited?

If your fundamental Halo play was outstanding, you could match up with the high end pros and give them a good game. If you were to then get glitched, you say 'fair play' and then try to master the glitches too. However, too many players neglected the masterful play and instead focused on the glitches because they thought it was a ticket to success. My own friend did - went on about how he could BxB like a master, and was a very good (but not great) Halo 2 player in general. At XL, he got raped by La1 and Lethal - and no BxBing was used.

That's my complaint. Too many games were reduced to who could screw up the animation fastest, and not who was, technically, the better player.

In a nutshell - why master the advanced, when your basics don't match up?

[quickshot89]

at the end of the day, there is no bxb or bxr in halo3

which means the 'pros' will need to master the game the way bungie wants their game to be played

end of argument

[Renegade]

Quickshot - despite what they say, I bet Bungie ****ing love the fact that BxB and BxR were found in Halo 2. It took the whole thing up higher in competetive stakes = sponsorship = money. I don't like it, but I bet my sweet ass that they love it. Even if they deny it.

But yes, you are right - there is NO BxB. There is NO BxR. Now, if you want to match up with better players, you need to get better at HALO, not at mastering the glitches. And by that I mean what myself and Azure were talking about - communication, synergy and positioning. It's more pure and, in my opinion, will take much more skill and result in much higher class players than Halo 2 did - if you want to be good, you need to be good at everything.

[FiveOhOne]

Just cos there's no glitches yet, there's bound to be something eventually.. Anyone with any common sense, if they find a glitch now, isn't going to tell anyone in case Bungie fix it in the interim before h3 goes gold.

I'll be seriously impressed if there are none, but looking at every other game since the dawn of time, there's bound to be some way to circumvent the rules/physics of the game to give you an advantage.

[Renegade]

I agree that glitches will be found. However, I think Bungie will have done everything they can to make sure there are no 'advantageous' glitches - and this beta is going to help them.

As I already said, the beauty of the 360 and downloadable updates means that if there is a problem, it can be relatively easily fixed at short notice. And whether the glitches are found now or later, I'm confident that now with the 360, they will be swiftly eradicated.

[Chet Webley]

no BXBRXBYBBR? good. that will mean you'll have to use strategy, teamwork and your mind to win at the game, instead of relying on being able to mash a few buttons quicker than other people.

you think you're 1337 'coz you can BXB or double shot? tw@t.

[Razor]

You are kidding right?

[Azure]

In a nutshell - why master the advanced, when your basics don't match up?

Spot on. When seperating the great from the good.

no BXBRXBYBBR? good. that will mean you'll have to use strategy, teamwork and your mind to win at the game, instead of relying on being able to mash a few buttons quicker than other people.

you think you're 1337 'coz you can BXB or double shot? tw@t.

Sigh. They do not think they are 1337 they ARE 1337 by all sad definitions arent they? Hate to break it to you but glitching is already using the mind and mashing buttons faster than someone else is half of all games.

As for strategy, I really think you're flattering yourself with an excuse there. The good people could moan about host and cheating and the ok people could just moan about glitching as a one way ticket excuse. Do you honestly think that if glitching was removed then your oppresed strategy would have won all those games?

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Cmon Moosey use the grey matter some more.

Firstly, my edit started with the word "Bizare(sic)..." which I would've thought implied I didn't necessarily agree.

Secondly, the link I was referring to said this:
An act of griefing involves the following three types of actions to be considered grief play

* The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
* The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
* The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person.


Are you seriously telling me that weapon glitches doesn't tick at least two (if not all three) of those boxes? Come on dude, use the grey stuff... ;)

[Azure]

It will be diluted into a squabbling fest here but.

1. It is not unfair, anyone can do it.

2. The victim can do any number of things against someone who would use glitches, they are not some kind of magical "I win" button.

3. Negatively impact the gameplay? Naah come on, we are talking about standby and modding here.

[Renegade]

I do think it takes skill to BxR and BxB effectively. I think it takes more skill to strategise and win matches even against better opponents.

I hate the 'its not unfair as anyone can do it' argument. Basically, that's saying 'its not unfair as long as the others are willing to break the rules too'. I mean, running a 100 metre sprint, one of the athletes is on steroids and wins by a clear margin. Is that fair? I mean, anyone can do it right?

The glitching shouldn't have been there in the first place. Whether it became a measure of 'greatness' or not is irrelevant, it shouldn't have even happened. Now it's not there, this is Halo, not that button mashing stuff that left anybody not wanting to go pro wallowing in a watered down glitchers paradise in Halo 2.

[Pie In The Sky]

I hate the 'its not unfair as anyone can do it' argument. Basically, that's saying 'its not unfair as long as the others are willing to break the rules too'. I mean, running a 100 metre sprint, one of the athletes is on steroids and wins by a clear margin. Is that fair? I mean, anyone can do it right?


What the hell are you on about.
WEAPON GLITCHES ARE NOT CHEATING
Stop comparing it to things that are cheating. Weapon glitches are completely fair. Sure they may not have been intended to be there in the first place, but Bungie made no effort to remove them, indicating they were more than happy with the weapon glitches being in there.

[quickshot89]

WEAPON GLITCHES ARE NOT CHEATING


but glitches arnt meant to be there

to remove them, you would have to re-write the entire game engine, which, bungie have done for halo3, and hence why the BXR and BXB are not in halo3

less than 24 hours before i can play it , w00t

[FiveOhOne]

but glitches arnt meant to be there

to remove them, you would have to re-write the entire game engine, which, bungie have done for halo3, and hence why the BXR and BXB are not in halo3

less than 24 hours before i can play it , w00t


Bollocks Quicky. Maybe they have rewritten the engine for H3, but balls would you have to put that much effort in to remove the weapon glitches.

[quickshot89]

well at the end of the day rain, bxr etc was discovered after the original reset, same time as modding was a big thing, at least i think so

bungie had already sold the game to death, they made a nice profit, so why would they need to re-write code? however, removing it in halo3 they had the chance, as the 360 was a new platform, and they could write a new code that would suit them for a good few years

[FiveOhOne]

Thats a completely different point though.

You said:


to remove them, you would have to re-write the entire game engine


I said:


Bollocks

[quickshot89]

well, ok, not the whole engine, but the weapon's part yes, just make it so you cant use the 'x' as a cancel animation, and its done

[Azure]

So what you are trying to say is that it would take **** all effort to completely fix the cancelled animation glitch?

You really are an idiot.

The whole game engine, to the weapons bit of the "engine" to just the bit that makes x stop animations... Read your own posts, other people are meant to ridicule you, not yourself.

[Pie In The Sky]

Which comes back to my post.

Weapon glitches are completely fair. Sure they may not have been intended to be there in the first place, but Bungie made no effort to remove them, indicating they were more than happy with the weapon glitches being in there.

It is not cheating.
It is not unfair.
It adds a whole lot more to the game.
If you are saying they ruin the game, it is most probably because you can't do them.


SO... back on topic. The Halo3 beta, can anyone post up some footage that they have captured?

[Cormac]

Loving the fact this is causing so much argument amongst people who haven't even played the beta yet!

Why are you all arguing over the legitimacy of weapon glitches in Halo 2 when Halo 3 has supposedly removed them all? Move on. That was Halo 2, this is Halo 3. When the first Halo 3 weapon glitch is discovered you can blaze this argument back up again.

I'm not posting again until I've played the beta and have something relevant to write up!

[FiveOhOne]

Edit: This is in response to Darling Quicky:

Clearly a moot point though now surely? The glitches are part of Halo 2, no point going back now. Wether you think they added an extra dynamic layer or they're just plain cheating, thats not going to change.

The point at hand is that whilst Halo 3 is still nice and fresh, and there's still time to iron out any glitches found during the beta, what should happen if these kinds of glitches which don't out right ruin the game, but can be used effectively by an elitist few to gain [further] advantage over others and to give wannabe's a feeling that they too can roll with the gods, regardless if they have the solid basis required to compete at such a level are discovered? Will they become part of the game, or should they be removed?

Further discussion regarding BXB/BXR is redundant. These effectively no longer exist. Now people need to know what is going to separate the good from the awesome. If the game play remains confined to the intended game parameters then it'll have to be down to solid team work, tactics and the like, which is the side I certainly am erring on, or if it once again extends out side of those confines into the realm of standardising any and all unintentional actions/combos/manuvers which whilst unintended and by their very definition a 'glitch' in the code base, add another layer of depth to the game.

With a player base the size of the Halo franchise, there is going to be very little to separate those in the upper echelons, which Azure has already pointed out in that it could very well cause an extended outbreak of the 'bad kid' mentality since there is no clear division.

[Renegade]

What the hell are you on about.
WEAPON GLITCHES ARE NOT CHEATING
Stop comparing it to things that are cheating. Weapon glitches are completely fair. Sure they may not have been intended to be there in the first place, but Bungie made no effort to remove them, indicating they were more than happy with the weapon glitches being in there.

Explained in a previous post - these were found AFTER Halo 2 had peaked and sold to everyone that was going to buy it. The game would have died a lot faster had the cheats not been discovered, because they added an extra competetive 'edge' to the MLG/Pro parasites. It's got 100% nothing to do with being good enough to use them or not and that argument is doing my head in - I CAN AND DO use them when put in the position when I need to, and you being amazing at them doesn't make you better than someone else in any way - my problem is the fact that anyone needs to do them at all, and that actually being good at the game ended up coming second to who could break the game fastest. Bungie knew that the parasites that lept on BxR/BxB as a means to be 'better' (lol) than the rest would keep MLG at the top, and therefore increase revenue on a game that had already sold out.

With Halo 3, Bungie had a dilemma. They knew that people that had such a huge problem with cheating such as weapon glitching and superjumping would be very unlikely to buy back into it all over again. I most definitely would NOT buy Halo 3 if it still had that rubbish in it. However, those that were so dependant on the glitches that they ignored the fundamentals would still purchase Halo 3, because of their addiction and need to play it. So it was a case of: 1 - Remove the cheats and have a couple of thousand people not buy it. 2 - Keep the cheats and have a hundred thousand not buy it. They did what was smart. They had nothing to gain by removing them from Halo 2, and millions to gain by promoting the removal to hype up Halo 3. Very smart.

The glitches, in my opinion, added nothing to the game. They removed the teamwork, positioning and communication, which is what so many people enjoyed in the first place. They ruined more than they added. It's really gutting to hear someone saying 'glitching is completely fair'. Xbox Live in a nutshell to be honest.

But hey, obviously you can continue to BxB and BxR to your hearts content... In HALO 2. Thank **** Halo 3 has removed them. They are gone, the scummy, dirty, cheats have been removed. Now if only we can stop people whinging, abusing, and talking **** to eachother on it, we would have a perfect world. Oh well, there's always the mute button.

It's your opinion, just as this is mine. Don't take it personally and don't resort to foul language and abuse. There's no need for it.

[Gaskin]

Weapon glitches separated the top players, who ever was better at doing them and a smarter player usually prevailed. Now, yes they did 'ruin' the game and yes it was a glitch a.k.a something that shouldn't of happened. But it became part of Halo 2, I did them because I had to, if you wanted to be good you had to do them. But people have forgotten the true meaning of Halo, that it's a brilliant game and you have fun. In Halo 2 mm all I hear now is BS, BS, BS! Halo is Halo without the weapon glitches, so don't try and say that simms.

But unfortunately, you know new glitches will be found. They always are and we can't do much to stop it happening. It's not cheating, so people will do it.

[Tugsy]

/me drags this back on topic.

I've wrote a very detailed Beta review here (http://www.halo3forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4392) - you may have to register. :)

For the record I personally feel that the glitches discovered in Halo 2 added a whole new layer of complexity to the game. It's like typing in a basic button combination in a fighter.... but you have to aim as well. ;)

[Azure]

The game would have died a lot faster had the cheats not been discovered, because they added an extra competetive 'edge' to the MLG/Pro parasites

The glitches, in my opinion, added nothing to the game.

Eh?

Leaves thread...

[Gaskin]

I'm recording one of my first TS games I had with Renegade, Tugsy and Moose at the moment. Will post up in a minute.

[KONSPIRACY]

If weapon glitches and super bounces have been removed completely, and the vast array of host issues addressed...how are the bad kids gonna get their kicks?! You cant argue that the weapon glitches on H2 didnt add another dimension to the game and player skill, so how long till new glitches are found and exploited?
Well it appears the last 3 pages have proved me wrong! lol :D

Really looking forward to playing the beta and will post my thoughts in a few days :cool:

[Renegade]

I'm recording one of my first TS games I had with Renegade, Tugsy and Moose at the moment. Will post up in a minute.

Argh, I sucked last night! (at Halo)

[NeoKubrick]

The fact that you can record your games is ****ing awesome. It should be standard in every game - especially PES - from here on in.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

/me drags this back on topic.

I've wrote a very detailed Beta review here (http://www.halo3forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4392) - you may have to register. :)

For the record I personally feel that the glitches discovered in Halo 2 added a whole new layer of complexity to the game. It's like typing in a basic button combination in a fighter.... but you have to aim as well. ;)

Just read your review - very good except no overall opinion? It's too unbiased! ;)

Oh yeah, and I'm sure you get a little bit of a hint where you're getting shot from - there seems to a pale blue...blur which appears at the side of your helmet. I could have been under the influence tho'...

[Spindryer]

Sound also helps and you find now just below the health bar at the top center shows a direction of where your taking damage i believe, correct me if wrong as its just from what i think i can remember.

[Tugsy]

Just read your review - very good except no overall opinion? It's too unbiased! ;)

Oh yeah, and I'm sure you get a little bit of a hint where you're getting shot from - there seems to a pale blue...blur which appears at the side of your helmet. I could have been under the influence tho'...

I don't think I'm quite ready for an overall opinion. I have one more post to edit where I will give my overall conclusion on the beta, I also need to discuss the maps at some point...

[Demon]

Just got the Beta now, although I don't like Halo much tbh, I played a game and..Whoah, it's awesome! :p

Highground ftw!

[Renegade]

Damn right! :D Best map on the beta. And really making me look forward to the Zanzi remake and other maps too :D

[Simm0ns]

A Beta glitch has already been found.

You can now double-melee. The combo is something like B, RB, RT, B.

Unlucky for people that dont like weapon glitches. You cant escape them.

[Renegade]

Bungie auto-update - BANG, and the glitch is gone!

[Simm0ns]

Bungie auto-update - BANG, and the glitch is gone!

Nah. Bungie like weapon glitches. How long would it have taken them to fix Halo 2 glitches? Yet theyve kept them for like 2 years.

They fix gay ones like sword flying, but keep pro ones like BXR. So far both games have glitches and they havent bothered to fix either of them (Halo PC still has glitches). Only time will tell, but I think Halo 3 will have weapon glitches too. Already this one has been found on the Beta.

[Renegade]

But like I say, they have already updated the beta, took about two seconds and everyone has it. Where is your source that this glitch exists? I'll tell you if it works or not.

[Simm0ns]

http://www.halo3forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4414

Theres a video there. It was posted on MLGPro.com so it definately does work.

[Renegade]

Ah I've seen it, posted on H3 forum.com too. It's also now been submitted to Bungie :)

[Renegade]

Ah, here we go - posted in the 'bugs' section of Bungie.net:

"Shadow_Dog found a few glitches that still work. Melee cancel (Shoot a few bullets, melee and then press RB right after and repeat really fast); RRY (Double Shot)

o FamouZ JaY found anothewr glitch, the Double Melee (B-RB-R-B), and was nice enough to upload a video of it.

~ Update: I tested a few of the above glitches, and: RRY, the first shot does no damage, B-RB-R-B the first melee does no damage. :] ~"


So there we go, he animated both melees and both shots, but only one did the damage. Hence his kills with them, the same as anyone can get a kill with a normal shot or melee.

Unlucky cheaters :p


*edit* And having tried them in game, as far as I can tell the update has removed both.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

So the glitches are worthless? Anyone confirm this?

[Renegade]

I can confirm it. That up there I posted is from Bungie themselves. Although he animates two melees and two shots, only one of each does damage. It's no better or worse than a single melee or shot.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

wicked!

Remember kids.. Cheats never prosper


;)

[Renegade]

Anyone playing? I'm not at work until later so need some games!

[sub]

Just come off it actually, gotta go to college today :(

Played a few games though and it's a million times better than Halo 2 in terms of gameplay, although the torrent of abuse when you get for playing even remotely better than another team is just ludicrous!

[Demon]

I would, but I'm wasting my life on World of Warcraft atm. :p :o

[Renegade]

Oh god. After 5 days of excellent, mature gaming - the scum are back.

[Demon]

I've not come across any bad kids yet. :P

[Zyber]

Yea, i was expecting this. After 5 days of "GG and wow what a great snipe" you get "Oh I owned you, you n00b!". Meh, beta is ruined now....although that is good news on the weapons glitches being fixed, don't want them in H3.

[quickshot89]

i havnt come across any bad kids yet, mainly as ive muted any1 that isbt in party / team

the beta is great thou

[Gaskin]

Wow, I just went on. The game is now really laggy and the amount of complete arsewipes that have now come along is disgusting.

[Mazzy]

And ? you cant do anything about them, apart from voice to party only, so you cant hear them.

did'nt you play halo 2 ? what did you expect was going to happen when the masses came on ?

[Gaskin]

I did play Halo 2, and as I got in to the 'pro scene' I began to detest MM. At least muting is easier this time around, but the children can't accept losing to someone better than them.

[Mazzy]

The party only chat is the best feature so far.

[Cormac]

It is after all a public beta and the public is made up largely of ****s!

I'm loving it. Is it really that easy or is everyone either crap or not trying?

I've spent a lot of my time on there so far just watching my games in the Theatre or even better watching a team mates perspective of a game I played well in.

Shotgun Spree for the win.

[FiveOhOne]

It is after all a public beta and the public is made up largely of ****s!

I'm loving it. Is it really that easy or is everyone either crap or not trying?

I've spent a lot of my time on there so far just watching my games in the Theatre or even better watching a team mates perspective of a game I played well in.

Shotgun Spree for the win.

See that folks? He's happy. Awesome.

[quickshot89]

is anyone else finding it very slow compared to halo2? not that i care, i think its great, and i cant wait till it goes gold in september

[Renegade]

It's so laggy now :(

Even on green bars, for those who weren't there when the beta started, you have no idea how good this game used to be :(

Although the skill level has dropped dramatically.

[Mazzy]

does nobody else other than me and cormac find the radio noise unbelivebly anoying and prey that they change it?

[Razor]

is anyone else finding it very slow compared to halo2? not that i care, i think its great, and i cant wait till it goes gold in september

It's slower than Halo 2?

[Renegade]

I don't think it's slower, but I do think it's less frantic. Which is a very good thing. It's bursts of fire fights, rather than just constant.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

I've spent a lot of my time on there so far just watching my games in the Theatre or even better watching a team mates perspective of a game I played well in.
How do you select different players!?! I couldn't work it out :noob:

does nobody else other than me and cormac find the radio noise unbelivebly anoying and prey that they change it?
i do - it's horrendous. Makes my ears bleed...

[Renegade]

Moose - if they record the game and upload it, you can watch it. In the beta, thats the only way because you can't switch player perspectives.

And yes, the radio noise SUCKS.

[Gaskin]

There is a lot of bad people, but I generally seem to win a lot despite who's on my team. You'll come across some players that were pretty tripe at Halo 2 and then can't get used to Halo 3 and will cry. The game is slower in a way, but also faster in a way. - If that makes sense I do not know.

I love the AR, I will sometimes choose it over a carbine or a BR, especially on a map where you'll get close encounters like snowbound. It's brilliant.

[Bonzo]

There is a lot of bad people, but I generally seem to win a lot despite who's on my team. You'll come across some players that were pretty tripe at Halo 2 and then can't get used to Halo 3 and will cry. The game is slower in a way, but also faster in a way. - If that makes sense I do not know.

I love the AR, I will sometimes choose it over a carbine or a BR, especially on a map where you'll get close encounters like snowbound. It's brilliant.
Yeh now ive got used to judging the lag with my BR shots i can take people down really easily. I still switch to the BR at close range though other wise you get out gunned - and if you know the other player doesn't have a long range gun you can pop off a few BR rounds into his head before you unleash the AR.

[carocat]

I'm loving it. Is it really that easy or is everyone either crap or not trying?
Yeah, I wondered about that.

does nobody else other than me and cormac find the radio noise unbelivebly anoying and prey that they change it?
I don't mind it, but it's too loud. I just said in the last game that I'll probably go deaf after a while....

Been playing this since last night and got a fair few games played. Still discovering new gametypes.

[Simm0ns]

Bungie added the easy mute option to stop people complaining about dickheads - Just mute them it takes like 2 seconds now.

I think its slower than Halo 2. When you think about it, most stuff has been slowed down - melees, snipe rate of fire and BR rate of fire to name a few.

I think lag has been reduced massively in this Beta compared to Halo 2. Try pressing X in the MM lobby and searching for only good connection games if you find lag a problem. Ive noticed the BR is really inconsistent due to lag, but I love how fast we can throw nades now. Sticking people is way more useful now cos you can actually aim and time the nades.

[FiveOhOne]

Your not allowed to use 't17' ala 'tit' as your service tag. You are aloud 'n08' or 'noB' however...

[sub]

NO8 ftw! :D

[KH Torrance]

I want P00...
Tell me I can have it...

(There's always one *-D ... does it actually prevent you having T17? What does it say? Rude word! Or are you just bagsy-ing it for youself?)

[FiveOhOne]

Just says 'Not Allowed'..

Edit: List here: http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=10932676

[quickshot89]

has any1 elses beta screwed up?

[Simm0ns]

Yeah it did before but I think its ok now.

[Renegade]

Moose, Carocat, RenegadeDS and PickledGherkin FTW!

Although I am slightly drunk (FA cup final, wooo) I still did better than Cat :p

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1574770&player=RenegadeDS

[carocat]

That was the game I betrayed you in! Completely by accident of course. ;)

That was some quaity games this morning. I'm definitely up for some early morning Halo 3 tomorrow.

[Zyber]

Check out my sharpshooter medal:

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1078075&player=Zyber%20Jedi

[Simm0ns]

I take back everything negative I was saying earlier in this thread. Halo 3 is so much better than Halo 2 I have now realised. Halo 2 made a noob of me.

Halo 3 > Halo 2 in almost every way.

[quickshot89]

Halo 3 > Halo 2 in almost every way.


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