5 New Halo 3 Beta Videos [Archive]

Renegade

04-05-2007, 11:43 AM

It's looking like Halo 2 with better graphics, new maps and some new/old weapons.

:confused: - daftest comment ever:

'Its exactly the same, all they have done is made everything different!'

Seriously - what, exactly, did you expect from Halo 3 apart from better graphics, new maps, and new weapons? **** it, let's make Master Chief be able to fly and use Magicka. **** it again, let's make him butt-bounce enemies like Mario.

It's an FPS, in the same universe, by the same people, as a sequel. There isn't exactly much more they can do with one franchise set in the same place - do you go to a Bond movie and complain because it's the same as the last 20 with a new storyline?

Mazzy

04-05-2007, 12:00 PM

point is, halo CE was a very different to halo 2, altho they are the same. they made some big changes and halo 2 still became one of the best FPS games, but halo 2 to halo 3 seems that they have only really made some shiny graphics and new maps and changed the weapons, so basicaly halo2.5. we shall see what its like in a week or two.

BlueHoopedMoose

04-05-2007, 12:29 PM

Mazzy, your point is made completely invalid when you start with:

point is, halo CE was a very different to halo 2, altho they are the same.

Halo 2 is essentially Halo 1, but with stuff improved and tweaked. Guess what? Halo 3 will essentially be Halo 2, but with stuff improved and tweaked. That's why they all share the same name...

quickshot89

04-05-2007, 12:49 PM

this is just the multiplayer side

halo3 is about the campaign, not the multiplayer

stop thinking its just mutliplayer, its advertised as finish the fight, IE the STORY MODE!!!

Azure

04-05-2007, 01:02 PM

There is not story Jesus christ. Why do people find "depth" to the halo campaign? It is crap.

Look secret big weapon designed to kill everything to stop aliens taking over. Some other aliens think it is god and want to activate it and you have to do a lot of **** gameplay to get it over and done with.

Sorry but Halo CE might have had a shred of campaign but it was weak at best. Between Halo CE and Halo 2 I would estimate 90% of it is multiplayer. Anyone who has spent more than 10% of their time on "halo" doing campaign over single player is a very rare breed.

Razor

04-05-2007, 01:03 PM

http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/LOL-Owl.jpg

Halo 3 will need to perform in the multiplayer more so than story mode other wise nobody will play it for 2+ years like with Halo 2.

Azure

04-05-2007, 01:08 PM

They'll play it for 6 weeks then toss it in the bin. SP means nothing to Halo overall.

Gaskin

04-05-2007, 03:27 PM

point is, halo CE was a very different to halo 2, altho they are the same.

And the biggest contradiction ever goes to... *drum roll*.. Mazzy!

Congratulations.

You'll all buy and play Halo 3 for a good year, unless you're no good at it and decide to make excuses. You know it's true.

Azure

04-05-2007, 03:35 PM

I won't. :P

After playing with 0 auto aim it is really a joke going back to it. **** off computer let me aim for myself.

Mazzy

04-05-2007, 04:46 PM

BlueHoopedMoose

04-05-2007, 07:24 PM

OMG, your not getting it are you, im say theres BIG difference's between halo 1 and 2. there was some big improvements between the two. and im saying there wont be as big of difference's between 2 and 3. thats why im saying halo 3 will just be halo 2.5. Get over your self allready, i will be buying halo 3 im a HUGE fan of the seris But that wont stop me saying its halo 2.5.

No Mazzy, YOU'RE not getting it - you can't say "point is, halo CE was a very different to halo 2, altho? they are the same." and then expect people to pay any regard to your ramblings.

And who's to say there won't be as big of a difference? You played it much? No... so you have to go on what you've read so far. That's fair enough, but...

Think back to when Halo 2 was announced - what was SO different (these big improvements you keep talking about) that you could've read about before playing the game?

- Duals
- Sword
- ATV ;)
- Fuel Rod Cannon thing
- Xbox Live
- New shiny graphics
- Matchmaking / Party system
- Removal of the pistol
- Couple of new weapons

Some things made, some didn't and there was obviously some more stuff, but by and large that list is not bad.

Now, apply the same logic and compile what you've heard about Halo 3:

- Couple of new weapons
- "Items" (Bubble Shield, Shield Depleter(sic))
- Improved matchmaking / Party system
- New shiny graphics
- ATV ;)
- Couple of new weapons
- Replays
- Man cannons
- One-way wall barrier things
- MASSIVE campaign battles
- Massive improvements to what you can change for custom games. I can't wait to play "Flamin' Duckhunt" :D

Once again there are more, but those are the big things Bungie are pushing I think you'd agree.

By your logic, can not some of those items above be classed as "big improvements"? No of course not, it's got to be "Halo 2.5"...

Pie In The Sky

04-05-2007, 07:37 PM

Wow. Touche.

carocat

04-05-2007, 07:40 PM

I'm not gonna bother with this argument, but I have to ask Moose:

"Flamin' Duckhunt"?

Sounds good. :D

Spindryer

04-05-2007, 07:50 PM

DuckHunt was "the" best game for a 9 year old :) . For the first Nintendo - Lov'ed it

BlueHoopedMoose

04-05-2007, 07:53 PM

Recipe for "Flamin' Duckhunt"

You will need:

- Starting weapons, none
- Weapon on maps, sniper
- 8 players
- Gametype set so that everyone is on fire except the leader
- One man cannon

First person to make a kill becomes the hunter. The 7 ducks then have to go and climb into the man cannon...

"Pull!"

:D

Mazzy

04-05-2007, 08:17 PM

- Duals = HUGe step up from halo CE
- Sword = yet another big leap from halo ce
- ATV ;) = they lied and left this out of halo 2
- Fuel Rod Cannon thing = only in single player of corse and was allready in halo ce pc not an improvment to halo 2
- Xbox Live = OMG this was one of the best improvements to halo CE.
- New shiny graphics = graphics dont mean ****.
- Matchmaking / Party system = yep huge innovation to xbox live, shame they have patented it for bungie alone
- Removal of the pistol = no they didnt.
- Couple of new weapons = yeah it was a sequal

Now, apply the same logic and compile what you've heard about Halo 3:

- Couple of new weapons = yeah it is a sequal
- "Items" (Bubble Shield, Shield Depleter(sic)) see above , think these are included as weps
- Improved matchmaking / Party system = but still the same
- New shiny graphics = see above
- ATV ;) = what because it wasnt in the game it was planned to be in, in the first place you think its an improvment that we get it this time ? dont you think they should have had it in 2 ?
- Couple of new weapons = so good you mentioned it twice
- Replays = this could be the only difference to halo 2
- Man cannons = been around in fps for ages, good to see a replacement to the telporter, but sad to see the teleporter going as well, you cant block a man cannon with a warthog, just as your guy comes through it
- One-way wall barrier things = nice
- MASSIVE campaign battles = I know nothing of the campagian its a secret,
- Massive improvements to what you can change for custom games. I can't wait to play "Flamin' Duckhunt" :D = and you could customise halo CE.

No i havent played it, have you ? why should i take your word on this ? i expect you to make your own opinions of what you have seen, just as much as i have, and i say that i am expecting halo 2.5, if you expect a full blown sequal to improve upon halo 2 so much then you do that.

im expecting to see halo 2.5 and if it exceeds my expectations than i will be very happy, and a very happy player of halo 3. but if it dont then ill still be happy playing halo 3.

Spindryer

04-05-2007, 08:31 PM

Well Blue you have your work cut out now dont u lol. I know what your saying Mazzy but tbh i do think there is enough in what we have seen for Halo3 to make it a huge leap from 2.

The amount of little things they have added to Halo 3 each make a huge difference. The whole structure of the game play can be altered with just adding or removing a different weapon or Grenade.

Im a huge Halo fan boy as most people know and tbh i thought Halo2 with all its faults was a fantastic game. If as you say Mazzy they only make this a Halo 2.5 then im still happy.

Mazzy

04-05-2007, 08:43 PM

they only make this a Halo 2.5 then im still happy.
As will I.

Azure

04-05-2007, 08:56 PM

i do think there is enough in what we have seen for Halo3 to make it a huge leap from 2.

Like what exactly?!

All I see is a bubble shield and a man cannon, a gay autorifle and a new vehicle or two. Are you sure you mean "huge leap" ? The game itself looks like it is just an upscaled halo 2 as it is...

KONSPIRACY

04-05-2007, 10:15 PM

OMFG!!! Are we on the verge of Mazzy n Azure agreeing on something?! :eek: :D

Spindryer

04-05-2007, 10:38 PM

Like what exactly?!

All I see is a bubble shield and a man cannon, a gay autorifle and a new vehicle or two. Are you sure you mean "huge leap" ? The game itself looks like it is just an upscaled halo 2 as it is...

Well as i stated in my last reply any minor change in a game can make a huge difference to the balance and the feel of the game. I didn't think i would of needed to of spell it out and used examples but its seems i need to.

Here's a simple one, take away the "pistol" from Halo CE and tell me has that changed how the game plays...

These small changes like Bubble shields, spike nades, trip mines and even a so called improved MM system can make a huge difference to if a person will enjoy the game for 2 years or simply play it for a few weeks then move on.

As from what i have seen and read i will be buying Halo 3. If you choose not to then fine, I'll see you on CSS :)

KONSPIRACY

05-05-2007, 01:30 AM

I've said all along...when H3 comes out the 360 will be pretty much a one game console just like its predecessor. I would like to think this is not true n hope other games developers will provide a title that will stand up alongside or better than H3. Only time will tell.

Razor

05-05-2007, 08:08 AM

I would like to think this is not true n hope other games developers will provide a title that will stand up alongside or better than H3. Only time will tell.

Unreal Tournament 3 :)

BlueHoopedMoose

05-05-2007, 09:32 AM

Well Blue you have your work cut out now dont u lol.

Indeed - I am developing an indentention on my forehead after all the slapping i've been doing... Not sure why I bother replying but I guess it passes some time

OK Mazzy, take what you've done to the list and remove some stuff:

- Sword = yet another big leap from halo ce
- ATV ;) = they lied and left this out of halo 2 (Yes, I know - re-read the context I was posting in and then observe the smiley..._
- Fuel Rod Cannon thing = only in single player of corse and was allready in halo ce pc not an improvment to halo 2 (Yes - I was talking about things Bungie said were going to be in there, either via an update or video's of the game, but never made it)
- Xbox Live = OMG this was one of the best improvements to halo CE.
- New shiny graphics = graphics dont mean ****. (Agreed - let's leave it out then?)
- Matchmaking / Party system = yep huge innovation to xbox live, shame they have patented it for bungie alone
- Removal of the pistol = no they didnt. (Didn't tell us? Ok, let's remove it...)
- Couple of new weapons = yeah it was a sequal (Remove it then)

Now, apply the same logic and compile what you've heard about Halo 3:

- Couple of new weapons = yeah it is a sequal
- "Items" (Bubble Shield, Shield Depleter(sic)) see above , think these are included as weps (Nope - they are weapons but used in a completely different way. Therefore a change from Halo 2
- Improved matchmaking / Party system = but still the same
- New shiny graphics = see above
- ATV ;) = what because it wasnt in the game it was planned to be in, in the first place you think its an improvment that we get it this time ? dont you think they should have had it in 2 ? (No, I don't think it should've been in Halo 2 - I trust Bungie to test it, realise it didn't work. Just because you think it should've been there doesn't mean it can't be classed as a change from Halo 2
- Couple of new weapons = so good you mentioned it twice (oops - I was tipsy. My bad)
- Replays = this could be the only difference to halo 2
- Man cannons = been around in fps for ages, good to see a replacement to the telporter, but sad to see the teleporter going as well, you cant block a man cannon with a warthog, just as your guy comes through it (Been in FPS for ages... but not in Halo 2. A change!)
- One-way wall barrier things = nice
- MASSIVE campaign battles = I know nothing of the campagian its a secret, (Yes, but we DO know that Bungie have told us about campaign battles that dwarf Halo 2. Change?)
- Massive improvements to what you can change for custom games. I can't wait to play "Flamin' Duckhunt" :D = and you could customise halo CE. (Yes, yes you could - but not to the extent (and ease) that Bungie are saying now)

From the two lists above which game appears (<- that's the key word) to have more new stuff?

"No i havent played it, have you ? why should i take your word on this ? i expect you to make your own opinions of what you have seen, just as much as i have, and i say that i am expecting halo 2.5, if you expect a full blown sequal to improve upon halo 2 so much then you do that. "

It's fine to have your opinion, but I am questioning how you got to that opion. You're right, neither of us have played it so we go on what we've been told and know. And from what I know my opinion is that there is enough different to make it Halo 3 not 2.5

Besides, if they changed it too much people would just *****...

Gaskin

05-05-2007, 10:51 AM

Azure and Mazzy aren't agreeing, they're just arguing different cases. Azure's gone PC gaming pro and deciding to blank out anything console wise (bar god of war *dribbles*) and Mazzy's just rambling on about a stupid theory, probably contradicting himself every sentence. ;)

I don't need to put forward an argument/opinion, Andi has it covered.

Mazzy

05-05-2007, 02:53 PM

no ,not a theory, just an opinion, my opinion. just as blue has his, and you have yours, but unless it is azures opinion, you can either take it or leave it. I do hope we get halo 3, i really really do, but im not holding my breath for it.

Spindryer

05-05-2007, 04:43 PM

I have some great news for you Mazzy >> :O << (http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/h/halo3/)

Simm0ns

06-05-2007, 04:15 PM

- Duals = HUGe step up from halo CE
- Sword = yet another big leap from halo ce
I hope you arent suggesting that dual weilding and the sword were good ideas?

Both were a huge huge step back from CE. Really bad ideas. Both of them.

Azure

06-05-2007, 04:34 PM

^ Amen. But since halo 2 we have also had gay things like jump pads and now we are getting "man cannons"... It needs to decide whether it wants to be quake 3 or halo 3.

DayC

06-05-2007, 05:04 PM

Halo 3 will be the best multiplayer game on any console ever.

Razor

06-05-2007, 05:37 PM

I disagree with that.
Best only on xbox 360 multiplayer ever.

Azure

06-05-2007, 05:39 PM

Im sure a lot of people will think xyz is far better than halo 3 on the wii.

Gaskin

06-05-2007, 05:57 PM

Shut up Ben you resistance whore. :P

It'll be the most succesful console game, whether it'll be the best I don't know.

kurosaki7

06-05-2007, 06:08 PM

Moose if your honestly saying Halo3 is not what Halo2 should of been then surely your kidding yourself a little bit non?

They are throwing in everything that could of, should of and would of made it into 2, the only major difference between the builds i have seen so far is smoother framerates, shinier graphics, so thats why alot of people justify it as Halo 2.5.

I would take something as the difference between Far Cry and Crysis as a development, not the pitiful differnces shown in Halo2 and 3.

I mean, they have not even improved the overall animations in what i have seen so far and the environments seem to be as interactive as they always were no.

But hell im partly making a point partly fishing so respond as you will, this thread looks like some fun :P

However like Gaskin said it will probably be the most successful console game as its a winning formula for most.

Thats if Killzone 2 falls short however.

DayC

06-05-2007, 06:46 PM

I disagree with that.

So I don't care.

It will be the best.

Razor

06-05-2007, 06:52 PM

It will be the best.

http://www.pacificnet.net/~joelinux/lol.jpg

If you say so.

Azure

06-05-2007, 07:01 PM

Successful as defined by sales?

Never.

Best? Best at what? Being an FPS?

Never.

Might be the best for those "lol i got your flag then we all blew up in the hog" moments but not on any other scale.

DayC

06-05-2007, 07:01 PM

If you say so.

You should have more faith in a sequel to game you actually played.

Best? Best at what? Being an FPS?

Never.

As being the best console multiplayer game to date, go back a page I already said that.

BlueHoopedMoose

06-05-2007, 07:14 PM

Moose if your honestly saying Halo3 is not what Halo2 should of been then surely your kidding yourself a little bit non?

Errr, where have I said or implied that - what Halo 2 *should" have been is completely subjective.

Just because you and some other people think that what you may get in Halo 3 is what you wanted from Halo 2, doesn't mean that you will be getting Halo 2.5.

Once again... you can only go on the differences between the two versions and then make a call. What you want in a version completely distorts the whole point which is "Are there enough differences to make it a new game?"

At the moment I am thinking that yes, there are.

2/10 for fishing. Go learn some skillz.

Azure

06-05-2007, 07:15 PM

I look at it like this.

If halo 2 was on the PC, could it be patched to include the bubble shield and trip mines and... whatever else we got exactly. I would hazard "yes" to that.

DayC

06-05-2007, 07:19 PM

I look at it like this.

If halo 2 was on the PC, could it be patched to include the bubble shield and trip mines and... whatever else we got exactly. I would hazard "yes" to that.

Easier, cheaper and just about to be released so yes.

wouldn't happen for the console version though because it would have worse graphics and lots of people are bored of Halo 2 after 2 years or whatever, they all went to GOW looking for a similar experiance with better graphics. I am going to enjoy the rivalry between Unreal T 3 and Halo 3 though that will be fun.

evil doughnut

06-05-2007, 08:44 PM

bungie might not want to change halo3 loads because halo 2 did really well and ppl might not like it if its change lots

Retro

07-05-2007, 07:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-gHeZhRTyo

This video shows someone running around in 3rd person...

Bonzo

07-05-2007, 08:17 PM

Might just be a spectator mode like Halo 2, doesn't look like it though : l I stole this idea from Liam and Pirate Balloon

Gaskin

07-05-2007, 08:37 PM

You can do third person, I thought everyone knew that?

Camera man screwed over the guy playing the beta though.

Bonzo

07-05-2007, 08:48 PM

If that video is of a spectator mode then i like it as it allows the spectator to change between 1st and 3rd person unlike the specator mode on Halo 2.

Simm0ns

07-05-2007, 09:22 PM

That video is 3rd person because he is carrying around the portable turret gun. When you set it down and begin to shoot itll look like it does in Halo 2 - 3rd person.

Bonzo

07-05-2007, 09:53 PM

Just took this picture with my capture card, seems like this is definatley one of the beta playlists.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2766/lookattheplaylisthl3.th.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lookattheplaylisthl3.jpg)

Simm0ns

08-05-2007, 10:36 PM

Oh my god team action sack was so gay. They better not have bent playlists.

carocat

09-05-2007, 12:22 AM

Some people on my Fl have been playing it for a while.

I've seen Team Slayer, Rumble Pit and something I can't remember.

I wonder what the theater one is though? It's not the normal lobby, so maybe the replay/recorded area?

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2672/halo3sy0.jpg

quickshot89

09-05-2007, 07:29 AM

spectator maybe cat?

Simm0ns

09-05-2007, 10:13 AM

Hooray for Pit :D

Maybe now when people are just sitting in lobbies, the party leader can upload a video for people to watch.

I think Halo 3 will be disgustingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.

Bonzo

09-05-2007, 02:28 PM

Oh my god team action sack was so gay. They better not have bent playlists.
It was so gay, it was the playlist for noobs
"ZOMG Team Duals!!"

Mazzy

14-05-2007, 01:21 PM

- Man cannons

you know, just relised these are nothing new to halo, there was a grav lift on that level to the sniper, cant rem the name, and there were grav lifts on midship and on coag, yeah they sent you up and not forward but still they were there.

not an argument starter but just an observation.

Gaskin

14-05-2007, 04:51 PM

They're slightly different to that Mazzy. Pushed into the air and getting to a different level, and being pushed across half the map in the air. Just slightly different. :rolleyes:

Mazzy

14-05-2007, 05:02 PM

yeah, i know, ive seen the vid of them, but you could use the lift on that map to go in other directions, im just saying that they had them in the old game but they pointed up, but wait a sec lets point them sideways and call it new content !

Gaskin

14-05-2007, 05:21 PM

Did Halo 2 have anything that projected you through the air and half way across the map? No.
That's new content.

Razor

14-05-2007, 05:22 PM

Super bouncing *makes whip crack sound* ;)

Azure

14-05-2007, 06:10 PM

The air lift in colossus projected you through the air over a distance great enough [in any direction] to be loosely labelled half the map.

Same with Ascension.

Not new content.

KH Torrance

14-05-2007, 08:13 PM

I am a rare breed, wooooooo!

DayC

14-05-2007, 09:12 PM

The air lift in colossus projected you through the air over a distance great enough [in any direction] to be loosely labelled half the map.

Same with Ascension.

Not new content.

The 'man cannon' is new content it was not in Halo 2 stop being wierd about it.

FiveOhOne

14-05-2007, 09:37 PM

The 'man cannon' is new content it was not in Halo 2 stop being wierd about it.

Yeah, but by that logic, you can stand on any map and say 'See that blade of grass over there? Thats new content that is', which to a certain extent is true, but it's not a new concept to the game now is it?

H2 had big whooshy things for spamming people across a map, so does H3. Except they're called 'Man Cannons' now.

KH Torrance

14-05-2007, 09:53 PM

I think it is because now the man-cannons are being used to (where possible) replace teleporters.

Which stops camping at portals exits, blocking them with vehicles, getting cheap assassinations, super-lunges and other glitches like the "jump" onto beaver creek base. . .

So in that respect while the man-cannons aren't 100% "new", they are certainly a step in the right direction, which can't be bad. . .

Although I'm sure somebody here will tell us all that getting cheap kills at portal exits requires immense skill and we are noobs and they could easily pwn us 1v1 anyday blah blah blah *-)

FiveOhOne

14-05-2007, 09:57 PM

Spot on Paul. I don't think anyone is going to argue that pointing them at 45 degress to replace teleporters doesn't change the dynamics of the game, but conceptually, Man Cannons are nothing new, thats what I take exception with...

Azure

14-05-2007, 10:01 PM

Day C you can use the lift in ascension as a man cannon to get to almost anywhere you want to on the main section of land, you can land right by main sniper, or just below the side sniper and anywhere inbetween. Stop being weird about it.

Torrance that is trolling. Teleporters needed sorting out as they were gay at the best of times, I'm not sure whether spamming people cross map is the answer [whats wrong with kjust ****ing running and if you die and get fed up then that's a good lesson non?] I will give it an open view.

Calling it "new content" is just fanboyism though. I figured that much would be obvious. You jump in, it throws you around.

DayC

14-05-2007, 10:29 PM

Yeah, but by that logic, you can stand on any map and say 'See that blade of grass over there? Thats new content that is', which to a certain extent is true, but it's not a new concept to the game now is it?

Concept is different to content though I thought we were just discussing content if you want to then just say so next time :D

Mazzy

18-05-2007, 03:18 PM

quickshot89

18-05-2007, 03:22 PM

why fix things that arnt broken mazzy? grav lifts have to be in halo

Gaskin

18-05-2007, 03:25 PM

People whine too much. If you don't want to play it, don't buy it. But you will, won't you.

BlueHoopedMoose

18-05-2007, 03:25 PM

*yawn*

*broken record*

/insert other tired cliches...

can anyone answer me this - cos those "reviewers" certainly can't... what would YOU have done to make it Halo 3?

quickshot89

18-05-2007, 03:26 PM

im not whining thou :(

edit: @ moose, id make the chief die at the end of halo3, that way, they cant milk the damn thing, and it will be a good ending

Gaskin

18-05-2007, 03:27 PM

I wasn't talking about you Adam.

FiveOhOne

18-05-2007, 03:33 PM

im not whining thou :(

edit: @ moose, id make the chief die at the end of halo3, that way, they cant milk the damn thing, and it will be a good ending

But that doesn't make it Halo 3 - The next gen title does it? Thats just a plot line they could have stuck in the first one.

Fair points, it is H2 but shiner with some extra minor bits like the equipment. Its still damn good fun. I'm still hopelessly clock watching until I can go home and play some more. There's nothing that makes it a major step up gameplay wise (the new lobby system is down right awesome though), but what was there in that respect in the bridge between H1 & H2? Some shiner graphics? As far as I can see, there's nothing else they could really have done without turning it into a completely different game..

KONSPIRACY

18-05-2007, 03:53 PM

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/xbox360/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070517101351899075&releaseId=2005000000000000000350

Very interesting read from gamesradar. i happen to agree at this point, that we are playing halo 2.5.
I honestly havent got a clue what these ppl expect. May be they should post some constructive ideas of how they would have liked to see H3 improved instead of another piece of lazy ass journalism.

quickshot89

18-05-2007, 04:02 PM

how can you really compare halo3 to halo2 when its just a beta for the net code? idiots

BlueHoopedMoose

18-05-2007, 05:10 PM

Fair points, it is H2 but shiner with some extra minor bits like the equipment. Its still damn good fun. I'm still hopelessly clock watching until I can go home and play some more. There's nothing that makes it a major step up gameplay wise (the new lobby system is down right awesome though), but what was there in that respect in the bridge between H1 & H2? Some shiner graphics? As far as I can see, there's nothing else they could really have done without turning it into a completely different game..

Exactly!!

I'm sick to death of people bemoaning the lack of innovation between 2 and 3 when a few years ago they were bumming Halo 2 to death. If Bungie changed the game too much people would whinge, if they don't change it people whinge.

I'm gonna stop reading these posts - I don't know why but they really make my blood boil!!

NeoKubrick

18-05-2007, 09:00 PM

Exactly!!

I'm sick to death of people bemoaning the lack of innovation between 2 and 3 when a few years ago they were bumming Halo 2 to death. If Bungie changed the game too much people would whinge, if they don't change it people whinge.

I'm gonna stop reading these posts - I don't know why but they really make my blood boil!!

Moose, you are to Halo 3 as a teenage schoolgirl is to her new boyfriend. :p

BlueHoopedMoose

18-05-2007, 09:13 PM

Moose, you are to Halo 3 as a teenage schoolgirl is to her new boyfriend. :p

??? I no understand... do you mean I'm a fanboy blinded by "love"? Please explain!

Retro

18-05-2007, 09:26 PM

Exactly!!

I'm sick to death of people bemoaning the lack of innovation between 2 and 3 when a few years ago they were bumming Halo 2 to death. If Bungie changed the game too much people would whinge, if they don't change it people whinge.

I'm gonna stop reading these posts - I don't know why but they really make my blood boil!!

Maybe the fact its on a "next gen" console, whilst the other two were one the same, meaning people were not expecting much in the way of difference.

Azure

18-05-2007, 09:45 PM

Maybe the fact its on a "next gen" console, whilst the other two were one the same, meaning people were not expecting much in the way of difference.

Here comes a little phrase known as.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

:)

BlueHoopedMoose

18-05-2007, 10:19 PM

Maybe the fact its on a "next gen" console, whilst the other two were one the same, meaning people were not expecting much in the way of difference.

You use of quotes around next gen either infers:
a) you don't believe that a 360 is next gen
- or -
b) you're not convinced that next gen is all that

either way it dulls the impact of your point.

We've had the "next gen" argument many, many times and until someone can tell me exactly what makes something "next gen" then I can't take any argument that uses it as a basis seriously.

What is missing from Halo 3? What would make it different enough from Halo 2? Anyone?

Azure

18-05-2007, 10:32 PM

Visual quality for me. It looks like Halo 2 upscaled, I know there are months left of dev, but the same was true of Halo 2 when we were checking the shots of that months before it was released.

I wanted more conceptual stuff adding into it as well, so far the only thing I have raised my eyebrows at is that they finally included a demo recorder. I am not impressed [though I don't shun] man cannons and portable grav lifts one bit, same with quad bikes.

I would have looked for the ability to spectate/observe games, dedicated servers running alongside P2P functionality and more destructible environments, much better physics and probably a skipful of other stuff. Maybe it will be there, I don't have all the answers but my gut feeling is [and my gut feeling with most thigns to do with halo are correct ;) at least how I perceive them] it is halo 2.5.

Mazzy

18-05-2007, 10:38 PM

Take the 3 seconds of fun and make it more fun.

Where was the sprint ? put the gun away and sprint for a little while ?

have chuck noris in there somewhere ?

give us some better items, how bout a grapple hook to get up higher places.

some bigger maps and more players, 32 players would make it better.

Azure

18-05-2007, 10:42 PM

Where was the sprint ? put the gun away and sprint for a little while ?

I don't know just *how that would affect gameplay but is a perfect example of the kind of stuff I am thinking about.

If he can jump that ****ing high he ought to be able to run like it from time to time. And whilst I am very anti BTB kind of guy if they had dedicated servers then they could easily run 32 player matches etc, it would be a playlist/gametype I would hate personally but I would mark it as a distinction between the 2 games in very real terms.

Couldn't they have included some kind of water action? There might be some in there but if the guy can survice in his suit in space then having some pools to either sink into or do something in would have been nice.

Map design seems same old same old, why can't we get a map that is a series of land masses, or something in a desert with bad visibility, or junglefied like backwash. The caves in "Waterworks" played the same as any other big map, it would just be nice to perhaps see it as a darker more dingy affair where it forces you to play a slightly different game depending on your environment...

Retro

18-05-2007, 10:47 PM

I was only saying, that's why I think people might have distorted views on why they think halo3 isn't that much of a vast improvement over halo2.

Because people have shelled out 300 quid smackers on a NEW console, be it "next gen" or not they are EXPECTING something relativity new and fresh, instead of replaying what could essentially be halo2 with a downloadable update.

I have yet to play the beta, so am not In a strong position to comment on the technicality's between H2 & H3, but from the videos I don't really see much of a difference apart from it seems a little slower. But I honestly don't give two a hoot about it being the same because I enjoyed halo2 and is a winning formula.

I would have looked for the ability to spectate/observe games, dedicated servers running alongside P2P functionality and more destructible environments, much better physics and probably a skipful of other stuff. Maybe it will be there, I don't have all the answers but my gut feeling is [and my gut feeling with most thigns to do with halo are correct at least how I perceive them] it is halo 2.5.

Agree.

Renegade

18-05-2007, 10:52 PM

I kinda agree. It's fantastic and I love it, but despite the fact that I do think it's better and more fun than Halo 2 - there isn't much to differentiate between the two.

What hit me most is my housemate, who asked today 'whats halo 3 like, what does it do that halo 2 doesnt?' and I was like 'uuummm.... it does the same, but makes it better'.

To be honest, I reckon everyone would be 100% happy with it if it looked like a technical marvel whilst still playing how it does now. I think it looks good now don't get me wrong, I like it and it's very clean and colourful. But in places it looks rough, and has very little 'wow' factor.

Azure

18-05-2007, 10:55 PM

I wouldn't necessarily have minded so much if they hadn't been talking so much smack from PR.

Halo 3 will be the best looking game on the 360 platform - Someone from Bungie.

Well mr PR man, it has it's work cut out because at this rate Halo 2 on Vista will fkin pwn it.

And Retros comment about the cost of the 360 coming to bear on it is true enough as well. Right now I am wondering what they would have to leave out to make the beta run on an Xbox ya know...

KH Torrance

18-05-2007, 11:48 PM

I wish we could do multiple quotes easier.

Anyway. Better physics? Dead bodies and weapons floating down the river? Throwing pretty much any object into a man-cannon and see it behave as it should? Take damage when another player jumps on your head. Check.

Isn't the save game feature pretty much a spectator mode, just not 'live'? And I think lag issues may be the reason for that.

Sprint obviously didn't work. You're winning a firefight against someone so they drop their gun and leg it. You can only follow them if you stop shooting as well. It'd become a cowards' game. That would get frustrating.

A grapple hook? This is the year 2552. Surely the portable gravity lift gives you the same functionality but much more efficiently?

I agree with the 'more water action'. It's very beautiful; we should get to splash around in it lots. Give us a big lake, and let Ghosts hover on water... *-) Sorted!
And I think one of the weekly updates mentioned a jungle map like Backwash.

If you can find an actual quote from Bungie saying Halo 3 will be the best looking on 360, fair enough. But they have said many times that GOW looks amazing and yes, it is more detailed / realistic etc than Halo 3, but that is not the Halo style. It wouldn't suit Halo (I agree).

Last but not least. What makes Next Gen'? Exactly. It's just better hardware, isn't it? Allowing for bigger environments, more AI on screen, things like this, and of course higher resolution, all of which Halo 3 will do.

And if it's not all about hardware, then I'd love to know what "Next Gen" content / concepts / ideas / gameplay etc, are...

Because the "old gen" Halo 3 we're seeing looks pretty damn good.

Okay, I guess the Beta could run on an old Xbox if you removed the graphics and the physics? But Halo 3 is being sold as one product, which includes the campaign, which, from what we've seen and heard so far, makes full use of all the 360 hardware.

And I think being 360-only also might have something to do with Microsoft wanting to (call them crazy, but!) sell their newest games console!

Like how Halo 2 PC is Vista only, when it could probably run on XP if they really tried!

Haha... I'm just about to "Post Quick Reply"... ;-)

Spindryer

18-05-2007, 11:54 PM

Halo 3 , Halo 2.5 ..... I'm still buying what i think is a great game call it what u want :)

BlueHoopedMoose

19-05-2007, 10:08 AM

Where was the sprint ? put the gun away and sprint for a little while ?

You mean just like Perfect Dark Zero?

give us some better items, how bout a grapple hook to get up higher places.

You mean just like Lost Planet?

If Bungie had put those things in people would be crying "Bungie, you're so lame ripping off other games"

some bigger maps and more players, 32 players would make it better.

Bungie have said that 32 player games aren't the way to go for Halo - it leaves you too distanced from the action.

Kudos for you and Azure for both coming up with ideas - more than I've heard from a lot of people.

Surely you could just say that Halo2 was in fact Halo 1.5? I mean not much changed there right?

Pie In The Sky

19-05-2007, 10:40 AM

Can you really honestly say that there is just as much change between halo3 and halo2 than there was between halo2 and halo ce?

Renegade

19-05-2007, 10:43 AM

The only reason there appears less is because Halo 2 added an online mode.

Pie In The Sky

19-05-2007, 10:45 AM

The only reason?
Lol I think I'm not actually gonna start on this topic 'cause it'll just turn into one of those 'next gen' arguments.
So yeah nevermind.

Renegade

19-05-2007, 11:17 AM

Well, imagine if Halo 1 had a full online system and matchmaking. What would have been hugely different about Halo 2?

BlueHoopedMoose

19-05-2007, 11:18 AM

Can you really honestly say that there is just as much change between halo3 and halo2 than there was between halo2 and halo ce?

Yeah I reckon I can - what were the differences between 1 and 2?

Azure

19-05-2007, 11:20 AM

What you said does not constitute advanced physics Paul :)

I would like to be able to blast through weakened sections of wall, collapse things on people's heads, having big puddles that **** up your quad bikes handling or hog etc if you have to drive through them, cratering from shell impacts that kicks up proper debris that can damage/kill people and vehicles. I want to see Spartans getting mud spatters and bloodied up correctly. It doesnt have to be OTT but having more interactivity rather than the feeling youre running about in a cardboard maze world again is something I want.

The graphical quality between Halo CE and Halo 2 > Halo 2 to Halo 3 Beta. Other than that they just faffed with some gameplay elements and had the bright idea of putting on 15 tons of autoaim.

Renegade

19-05-2007, 11:54 AM

But with collapsable scenery that kills peopls, grenade debris that kills people, don't you think it would be too random? I mean, there is an element of multiplayer that needs to cater to the MLG side of things, and I just think having too many random ways to die when some scenery collapses, would hurt the multiplayer balance. Say a pro collapses scenery around him, so that he can't be killed. What then?

Azure

19-05-2007, 12:01 PM

To create a scenario like that, that could be replicated anywhere on a map would be a few years away yet.

I am thinking more of the lines that you know on Zanzibar where the turrets are on halo 2? Well there are some random blocks that can be shot off, I would have liked to see all of the supports for the turrets as being destructible, you can make the base out of something "indestructible" and they can pick and choose to make fit.

Having the trees in Ivory tower fall down to kill someone, or being able to half run up them or something adds, rather than subtracts from the game. Even if someone were able to surround themselves with debris you lob a nade into it or a rocket.

There is no reason why these destructible environs have to be obviously "weak" as we are used to seeing, it could be done that only hard continual shelling from a tank has any effect, they could have done something perhaps where you have to defend a structure from attack as an objective etc.

KH Torrance

19-05-2007, 12:02 PM

Doesn't Halo 3 have less autoaim than Halo 2? That's what I heard.

There are gates, parts of the bunker you can open/smash through, aren't there?
I think a reason why you can't blast through any walls is because it would ruin the layouts of the maps, which Bungie spend so long trying to make perfectly balanced.

Not sure what you want to collapse on someone's head. :-S

I also read that vehicles do slow down when driving through deep water. Actually ****ing up the handling would piss people off no end, and it was actually in Halo 2 for a while but they took it out because it was so bloody annoying.

You know Spartans have pretty tough armour... I don't think debris would really hurt them anyway. As for just seeing proper debris, well, I think you'll get more of that in campaign. Some pretty but processor-intensive effects are no doubt being left out of multiplayer to help it run smoother.

I guess a lot of you have expectations that are too great. Reading the 'What Do You Do?' thread, I see a lot of you are in IT. You should meet up and get the rights to make Halo 4. :-P

I like what I've seen so far, and there's no doubt I'll be buying Halo 3.
But I think those of you who are only going to buy Halo 2.5 will still be happy with the final game. ;-) Maybe it'll even grow on you.

P.S. I actually prefer Halo CE graphics to Halo 2. But I think I'm in the minority so you can have that point. :-D

Azure

19-05-2007, 12:08 PM

You know Spartans have pretty tough armour... I don't think debris would really hurt them anyway.

Ahh cmon now...

Would hitting someone on the head with a bomb kill them then? :P

I meant that halo 2's difference to halo ce was nicer gfx and a pimp lot of Autoaim, I wasnt really referring to halo 3 there. I just think its a bit shitty how the graphical leap from Ce to Halo 2 is greater than a platform shift with orders of magnitude more power.

Not sure what you want to collapse on someone's head. :-S

Isn't it obvious? A can of heinz 57 baked beans.

Seriously though I would just like concrete to get slowly beaten up and start disintegrating in certain areas, like my example of the area with the turrets on Zanzibar, that could eventually collapse and leave the main walkway remaining damaging whatever is underneath. Don't tell me the thought of seeing someone going on a ninja spree getting dropped by a tree ponderously landing on their head wouldn't be class either :P

BlueHoopedMoose

19-05-2007, 12:16 PM

I like Azure's points about stuff that gets blown up, and I'd agree that is both next-gen and the way forward.

But...
Some pretty but processor-intensive effects are no doubt being left out of multiplayer to help it run smoother.

^^^ That is a very good reason to stop it happening just yet. Look at Waterworks - that map was so big, with so much going on that it was horrendously laggy. There was much too much information being sent across the network (tracking 80+ players using Queryspree, without fail every player suffered -10% on their accuracy)

Graphics-wise I think that the Beta does stand up - it's no Gears but the textures look good, animations are smooth and detailed enough and the atmosphere of the whole thing is spot on.

KH Torrance

19-05-2007, 12:25 PM

I see. Yeah, things like that would be pretty cool.
Did you know, in Halo 2's Waterworks map, you can shoot down the giant stalactites, have them land on somebody and get a kill for it?

But as Moose said, that map was too laggy. I do hope we get to see a few things like that in Halo 3, though.

Anything would kill you (bomb, flag, skull, can of beans) if it were the Master Chief smacking you over the head with it! He's 100% badass.

Azure

19-05-2007, 12:25 PM

Of course they said it was going to be in 1080p as well for the pissing contest with the PS3...

I wonder what had to be sacrificed to play it at such a dumb resolution. High res absolutely murders GFX cards.

KH Torrance

19-05-2007, 12:35 PM

Quote / Link?

Edit: I'm sure it's been in a weekly update too, but see this thread.
http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=795362

I think it's like the "delayed" release dates.
People see these things in unofficial magazines, websites, a shop etc, so they assume it's true.
I can see why, but it's annoying for those of us who read the updates etc.

Azure

19-05-2007, 12:56 PM

http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=x06+halo+3+1080p&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

They announced it in barcelona at X06, it was big news at the time, along with whoever said Halo 3 will be the best looking thing on the 360 platform [though that may have been MS rather than bungie.

Actually, they squashed it.

http://www.arrogantics.com/2007/04/27/bungie-crushes-dreams-of-fapping-to-cortana-in-1080p-and-other-halo-3-details/

Mazzy

19-05-2007, 05:53 PM

Anyone play redfaction ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Faction

One of the main "selling points" of Red Faction was the game engine's GeoMod technology, which allowed players to significantly alter and otherwise affect the surrounding terrain and buildings,

and you think that the processor power of the 360 couldnt handle geo-mod ? i can remeber playing this game 4 player with AI bots thrown in the mix.

im not saying i would want this in halo but what i am thinking id like, is if i throw a nade, it should create a crater and you should be able to notice it and step into it, not much, not a huge hole just a dent would be nice, not just a bit of burnt ground that lasts for 30 secs.

on a side note, the grapple hook was just a thought that would make a slight difference to the game, yes its in lost planet and you say they would be acused of steeling it, but theres been grapple hooks in games before lost planet, and by that your argument is a little flawed hell you could say theres machine guns in other games and halo is ripping them off.

ill go about seeing if i can blow apart the small walls when i go on next, like on zanzibar.
and im sorry but the grav lift is ****ing great to use for the 5 seconds you use it, example i pick up the cloak and grav lift on the (not valhal or snow level) and place it near the wall, jump over the wall grab the flag and run it home for a score. but come on, wouldnt it be good to carry a few of these ? so its not just a one time weapon, and this is where i would have recomended replaceing it with a grapple hook or something like it. more BF2 grapple hook than lost planet hook.