Scummy Italian Police

[Xg Corkin]

http://home.skysports.com/video/index.aspx

The video above shows the police attacking many Man Utd fans, ****ing scum or what! How can anybody justify what the italian police did, its a ****ing discrace.

[Azure]

They did the same as any police force in the world does in that situation. Beat the **** out of anyone near them, that is kind of the key point in their use.

Also anyone who wasnt involved in that area would have probably scarpered anyway and it is "Italian".

[Xg Corkin]

So is it OK to beat the **** out of fans who are trying to get out of there way or fans who are laying on the ground defenceless?

[zcaliber]

It's cause the british are ****ing hooligans, whaddya expect. Bunch of ****s deserve a beating. (Mainly for liking football in the first place)

[Azure]

No it isnt right, but that happens in ALL riots that are under control, stop being blinkered tool just because the fans that decided to break the police line got **** on.

Anyone near a riot guard whether innocent or not gets beaten usually, thats the fear of them. And have you any experience of being a riot officer? Ever had a whole army of foreign louts famous for their hooliganism confront you and start hurling bottles and stuff either at you or over you? It is a warzone down there, if you want to moan about police, rather than just protect your footballers ego then take a look at many other peaceful protests in the UK where people are ridden down by mounted police and or eaten by dogs, THEN beaten.

[zcaliber]

take a look at many other peaceful protests in the UK where people are ridden down by mounted caliber and or eaten by caliber, THEN beaten, by caliber. "TAKE THAT YA GEENPEACE *******S".

had to say it.

[Xg Corkin]

Still wrong if you ask me and if its the british who are the hooligans why don't you see that happening over here, oh yes because its condemned over here and what would you feel like if you went to go and watch a football match and end up in hospital.

[Azure]

Oh shut up, Britain beats people without cause all the time, there is a famous picture of a student on his knees looking at the floor holding an injured eye or something just about to get clobbered over the head by a mounted officer.

You're just looking at it how you want to.

[Xg Corkin]

You're just looking at it how you want to.

Right back at you. Im guessing you don't watch or go to any football matches.

[zcaliber]

How else you gonna get them away, spray silly string in their faces? They were hit because they were trying to break the police barrier. Notice how when they didn't try to break it, they weren't beaten?

[Xg Corkin]

Actually did you not watch the video, many were standing on the oppsite side being battered for NO reason whatsoever and others were just trying to get out of the way of them and why didn't they have police on the Roma side and when they ran at the barrier why didn't they batter them.

EDIT : I'd love to see how the Italians react if when they come to Old Trafford, they get the **** battered out of them.

[carocat]

EDIT : I'd love to see how the Italians react if when they come to Old Trafford, they get the **** battered out of them.
They mostly wouldn't come over here as there are several british football fans are known for being racists and that there are a lot of fights involved.

[Xg Corkin]

So your saying the hardcore Roma fans won't go to Manchester looking for a fight, i beg to differ.

[zcaliber]

Who's being battered for no reason? They were causing ****. Just cause they're not attacking police on the exact clip you see them getting hit doesn't mean they didn't do anything wrong. They had all at some point dived into the belly of the beast- of their own will- and you may see them getting hit whilst retreating, but that said- they are probably retreating because they're getting hit.

[KONSPIRACY]

"When in Rome...get the **** kicked out of you by the police"...pretty sure thats not how the saying goes tbh.

The actions of the Italian police towards the Man Ure fans was an absolute disgrace and cannot be justified whatever spin you put on it. They were unnecessarily overly aggressive and indiscriminate.

This quite simply wouldnt happen in the UK at a football match these days, but its common place and notorious in Italy (and other countries) as they have not been educated in "riot control" in these situations. FIFA and UEFA should step in and take measures to ensure this doesnt happen in future and all matches in Italy should be played behind closed doors.

[Dark]

If Roma fans had been stabbed in Manchester and if the police had done that kinda thing inside Old Trafford to Roma supporters Man U would be kicked out the CL. They would probably be banned for a few years and I wouldn't be surprised if other British teams got the same treatment.

[KONSPIRACY]

Well said Dark. There is no consistency in European football and English clubs get treated based on the behaviour of "fans" (read: hooligans) decades ago, and the continental teams use this as an answer to the present day.

Looks as though Tottenham fans received similar treatment in Seville tonight.

[Finno]

I don't know that that's entirely true Dark, after some of the events with other teams recently in both European Competitions, I expect a hefty fine is all they would get, and will be all Roma get. The only recent event that I recall which has caused a team to be kicked out of the Competition was Feyenoord (I think) this season, and although I'm not entirely sure what happened there, I assume it was on a larger scale than the other night, as other events like this haven't caused teams to be kicked out.

All the people condemning English fans, I originally thought you were joking, trying to get a reaction, but do you seriously think that it is really the English fans causing the problem? The problem is an Italian problem, they have had the problems for years, the same problem England used to have but hasn't since the 80's. Roma in the last few years have had problems in Europe that have been well publicised. That referee who got hit on the head with a lighter causing the game to be abandoned, the Middlesborough families being ambushed by the "Ultras" when a few were stabbed.

I've heard from interviews that there were ambushes and stabbings going on outside the stadium, which, according to the people interviewed, were ignored by the police. When was the last time there was real trouble at a European match hosted in England? I personally can't remember, but I may well be wrong.

Cat, I don't really understand your post. You say that Roma fans won't travel to England because of the English fans reputation? Well English fans travelled to Rome, where the reputation of the fans is a lot worse.

The Italian police's reaction on the whole was awful. Both sides fans run at eachother, and both sides fans were throwing objects at eachother, as proved by television pictures. The Roma fans were seemingly left alone, except for stewards telling them to get back, whilst the United fans get beaten. Fortunately some of the police helped by apparently sheilding people they knew were not a problem from their colleagues. Azure, you say that is common practice, but videos have been shown today clearly showing police officers shouting at other officers to calm down and stop (well according to the people on TV, my Italian isn't that great), but it unfortunately didn't happen.

Also, Azure, you said that people who weren't involved would have gotten away by the time the riot police started hitting people, that sadly doesn't appear to be true. I've heard about people, who I'm pretty sure wouldn't have been involved in the original incident being badly beaten (again this is only going by what the fans have said).

Also, why is that stadium even allowed to be used in the Champions League. That is not proper seating, and I would be amazed if those bench type things were allowed in the Premiership. It's basically a terrace, and surely if terraces are not allowed, neither should those things, they certainly did not detract from the problem.

However, you can see why the police reacted like that after what happened recently with the policeman being killed in Italy due to rioting fans. They just seemed to go over the top on Wednesday. The government tried to sort the problem back then, and at least they recognise the problem and are trying to sort it, hopefully there will be a proper investigation into what happened, and they can try to change what went wrong for next time.

[DinnyHoon]

We may be hooligans, but what happened in Rome was beyond hooliganism. Those ****ing Roma Ultras were out again, stabbing people from the back of mopeds. And the Italian police had the ****ing cheek to blame Manure for the 'hassle' because of a warning on their website prior to the match, telling fns not to go to certain areas because they'd get hung, drawn and quartered by the Ultras.

And for anyone who thought thecops on the continent were being reasonable by knocking every Englishman half to death, you might want to see the fight the Spaniards started against the Tottenham fans. They were pushing them down the stairs by the dozen. People were getting thrown on their back ON THE ****ING STAIRS and crushed by falling fans, in a horrific echo of the Hillsborough disaster. Note that (apart from 1989) this sick **** never happens in Britain.

[Xg Corkin]

Totenhams didn't seem to be as bad, the stewards seemed to stop the police from battering the hell out of them but still is out of order and as for them being pushed down the stairs, i saw that and somebody could of been easily been killed but luckily didn't. If only all stadiums had stewards instead of riot police then football grounds would be alot safer for fans.

EDIT: Just read more into the Spurs trouble and it seems as thought it was exactly what happened in Rome, fans getting battered for no reason. I bet your they both get away with it too, if something isn't done they it will just happen again when somebody goes to play Roma or Seville.

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2007151876,00.jpg http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2007151803,00.jpg

How can the Italian and Spanish Riot Police justify those pictures, their job is to keep the fans safe, not attack them.

[Rocafella]

What happened to the sets of fans was a disgrace. It seemed quite obvious that the United fans were victimised and attacked for little reason what-so-ever. Not too sure about the Tottenham fans though, maybe a group of their fans were kicking off. The bad thing about all of this among other things, is that because of the Spurs game, the italian police might get away with what they did, or at least a lesser punishment as it will be argued the British are hooligans and cause trouble.

[Retro]

haha the cunts deserved it! Im glad they took a beating and am only upset more were not hurt or even killed, they are a disgrace, and it makes me sick to think that they are my fellow country men!

"No i was trying to get out of the way really...after i had attacked the the police line, honest...."

Italian police FTW.

Gay Man U fans FTL


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[Hursti]

haha the cunts deserved it! Im glad they took a beating and am only upset more were not hurt or even killed, they are a disgrace, and it makes me sick to think that they are my fellow country men!


So you're saying that a bunch of football fans deserve to be beaten to death after being provoked by the scum of Italy. You need to get you head sorted out mate.

[Azure]

So you're saying that a bunch of mindless provocative yobs looking for a scrap deserve to be beaten to death after smashing a police line in Italy? You need to get you head sorted out mate.

Viewpoints mate, it is all it is.

I agree with Retro.

[Hursti]

So you agree that murder is fine...

[Azure]

When discussing football hooligans, then no, I really wouldnt give a crap if they fell over and died.

Spin it how you want you bunch of media **** jockeys.

"Zomg that guy is sitting there dumbfounded with blood coming of his head" Whereas in Italy no doubt there are shots of the same guy trying to bottle someone... Jesus. :rolleyes:

[KONSPIRACY]

Its a shame that some ppl dont recognise the fact that most football fans are decent normal ppl. Hooliganism within English football is pretty non existent compared to 20 yrs ago, and just because you go to a football match and have passion for the team you support doesnt make you a football hooligan...its exactly that mentality within foreign poilce forces that creates these problems in the first place.

[Azure]

I recognise most fans are normal people, you might have noticed that MOST man u fans werent clubbed over the head as well.

[Finno]

So you think it was only the hooligan element that were clubbed then Azure? What about the people in wheelchairs, the young children, the women, that have been referred to in at least one of the two cases? I'm pretty sure most of them weren't causing the trouble, but yet you think the Italian police were right to beat them? You think they must have been causing trouble just because they were in an area populated by hooligans? If you've ever been to a football match with reserved seats, you'd know that you can't pick and choose who you sit near or with. And if you've been to a football match where there has been trouble or overcrowding, you'll know that it isn't always easy to get away from where you are.

The real problem is that there were also real genuine fans who love the club who were caught up in the fighting, as well as the hooligan scum you keep referring to. I don't think many people are defending the hooligans, they deserve whatever they get from police, but just because someone is a young or middle aged man caught up in the trouble, doesn't neccessarily make them a hooligan. What about the people that are trying to drag other people who are bleeding away from the police, and getting hit themselves, hooligan *******s right:rolleyes:

If there's such a large hooligan element in United fans why how comes the only trouble I remeber them being involved in was earlier this season in Lens, due to severe overcrowding? Surely with that many hooligan *******s there'd be huge amounts of violence every match?

Also, the other point you people defending the Italian Police's actions have totally ignored, is the (much larger) hooligan element of Roma fans (who actually have history) who weren't treated in a similar way at all, and continued to throw things at the United fans whilst the police were beating them up. Surely you can't pretend this is the right way of going about it, ignore one lot of fans whilst hitting the other?

What is your obsession with condemning English (or in this case just United) fans, whilst not criticising anyone else in the slightest?

[zcaliber]

If I was the police and a hoard of angry football fans started causing **** I'd be administering double baton windmill frenzys all over the place. That said, riots don't come from nowhere. The police didn't just think, **** me I hate the English, c'mon lads, lets give 'em a ****ing beating!

[Hursti]

If I was the police and a hoard of angry football fans started causing **** I'd be administering double baton windmill frenzys all over the place. That said, riots don't come from nowhere. The police didn't just think, **** me I hate the English, c'mon lads, lets give 'em a ****ing beating!

Can you explain why there wasn't any police on the Roma side of the barrier then? I didn't see any Italians getting beat...did you?

[Retro]

I live life by"you get what you deserve in the end!"

Even if these chavs were being heavily beaten, the one's we are seeing in the pictures are drunken chavs who's main aim in live is to get pissed and cause trouble.

So what if the Roma fans were causing ****?

I saw a video if the Italian fans sitting quite conservatively on there side of the glass flipping there fingers at the English.

They are grown men are they not?

Can they not just walk away?

No!

Because they are out of control ****s, who therefore deserve a good kick in...


I have not seen a picture or video of a kid or child who have been hurt...i wonder why?

Its because the English media have spun this out to make it look like we were the hard done by!

[Azure]

Ok does this make you feel better?

Your wonderful Man U and fellow Englishmen were unjustly beaten when a crowd broke a police riot line. Would you also like that on audio cassette to the backing of the world's smallest violin?

Thousands of people are killed across the globe for no reason at all, you only give a toss because it is about your "football" so to use the "Oh think of the children" card is lamentable. You don't give a crap about them, I don't give a crap about a bunch of tards getting slapped about the head whilst in all liklihood the majority of them were acting up to begin with.

"But the Italians didn't get beaten!!!!" - I don't care, racist police? Never?! you don't say!

I have not seen a picture or video of a kid or child who have been hurt...i wonder why?

Its because the English media have spun this out to make it look like we were the hard done by!

I work part time in a newsagent, I get to read more newspapers than you can shake a stick at, and it is just the usual rag tabloids depicting angry skin heads or people who are blatantly pissed wondering why they just got clobbered. Whilst the headline might as well read. "We need to go and **** them over phwar british bulldog!!!"

[Hursti]

I think the fact that there was no police calming the Roma fans down is the major point in this argument. It's as though the British fans were treated unfairly compared to the home nations fans.

Ok does this make you feel better?

Your wonderful Man U and fellow Englishmen were unjustly beaten when a crowd broke a police riot line. Would you also like that on audio cassette to the backing of the world's smallest violin?

Thousands of people are killed across the globe for no reason at all, you only give a toss because it is about your "football" so to use the "Oh think of the children" card is lamentable.

It's because a hell of a lot of people are passionate about football, including me.

Edit: And as a matter of fact, I really do feel for these people who get beaten to death for no reason...but what what the hell do you expect me to do?!

[Spindryer]

Look guys next leg at home in Manchester...... Pay back anyone ?

[Azure]

I expect you to look at it in context and realise that someone getting knocked on the head by allegedly racist police is absolutely nothing.

[Hursti]

Look guys next leg at home in Manchester...... Pay back anyone ?

That would just be wrong, we would be as bad as them...but some people definitely will kick off because they are scum/thugs etc. But I don't agree that it's only Man Utd fans that are thugs, it's people all over the world.

I expect you to look at it in context and realise that someone getting knocked on the head by allegedly racist police is absolutely nothing.

I know that but it has been shown over and over again and it's because it's the British that are getting beaten after being provoked. If they showed someone getting beaten to death live (if this is legal), I'm sure it would get the same coverage and a similar reaction but worse if you get what I'm saying.

[Azure]

Pretty sad person if you get "provoked" by an Italian because their team kicked a bag of leather into your teams net no?

Swings and roundabouts.

[Hursti]

I don't think it was just that which provoked the attack. So called the Italian fans were throwing "missiles" at the British supporters and don't quote me here but may have been shouting racist abuse at them. I have no idea what exactly provoked them but I admit, they shouldn't of reacted the way they did, and neither should the Italian police.

[IcemanLeigh]

The Italian police's reaction on the whole was awful. Both sides fans run at eachother, and both sides fans were throwing objects at eachother, as proved by television pictures. The Roma fans were seemingly left alone, except for stewards telling them to get back, whilst the United fans get beaten. Fortunately some of the police helped by apparently sheilding people they knew were not a problem from their colleagues. Azure, you say that is common practice, but videos have been shown today clearly showing police officers shouting at other officers to calm down and stop (well according to the people on TV, my Italian isn't that great), but it unfortunately didn't happen.


Agreed.

The Roma vs Man utd incident, and the Sevilla Vs Tottenham incident were completely ridiculous. Im not sure I can understand the mentality of early posts, along the lines of. 'Ah well.. it happens, get used to it.' Surely that is completely the worst attitude to have, alot worse than people who are simply trying to protect the image of english football fans by convincing themselves that they did absolutely nothing wrong.

Lets face it. In both situations, there was probably fault of some kind from the english fans. But it has been widely speculated, that both were mostly out of the control of the fans, and a complete over reaction from the riot police.

In the video of the man utd vs roma incident, you see a man utd fan throw omething over the fence, then get beaten to hell for his efforts. Then a bit later in the video a roma fan throws something, and the police just puts up his arm in an attempt to possibly usher the fan back.. That for me sums it up.

In the tottenham situation. The commentary stated that the situation was started by a bit of baneter between fans, nothing overly aggressive (or anymore than you would expect from an ABSOLULTE shambolic penalty decision) and then the trouble had settled down before the police decided to step in and start beating people.

Travelling fans are usually from a very hardcore (in the dedicated sense of the word) set of supporters. If the police start to batter the hell out of some of them for no reason, the rest of them will stand up to them in an attempt to stop the situation. Obviously this doesnt help. But as it was clear in the tottenham vs sevilla game, all the trouble would have been completely stopped if the police had simply backed off. But instead they continue to batter fans, the fans continue to get angry and rilled up at the unfair treatement, the situation escalates into a massive brawl, from a situation that could have been containted by a quiet word or a warning in most cases.

The treatement of the two situations can be classed as nothing but sick.

I expect you to look at it in context and realise that someone getting knocked on the head by allegedly racist police is absolutely nothing.

Actually, You're wrong. It isn't nothing. It isn't nothing at all.

Maybe if Im walking down the street tomorrow and I see a woman getting mugged, possibly even hit for her efforts to retain her possesions, I should just carry on walking and think to myself. 'Well I could help, but there are people being brutally murdered in the world for no apparent reason, so this is nothing..'

Now I know that your first reaction will probably be to make the comparision between helping someone in person and 'not giving a crap about some football hooligans' and claim they are completely different. But people not condemning the actions of the riot police, is simply not helping the situation. It doesnt matter whether it is football fans or not, there is no reason to bring your like or dislike of football into the discussion as it has no relevance, along with assumptions of football fans and how you believe them to have acted.

It doesnt matter whether the situation was provoked or not, beating unarmed civillians is a disgrace, and just because there are worse things happening in the world does not make the situation any more acceptable.

[Pirate Balloon]

Football fans need to chill the **** out. You cause the riot, you get beaten. ****ing hell, those people who got beaten for no reason deserve to get beeten, if there's a riot going on you get the **** out of the way, not stand and gawp. The police are gonna be pumped up so of course they're gonna batter anyone who stands even the slightest chance of being a threat.

Football fans always give our county a bad name overseas.

I mean, i can understand fighting at your comrade's side throwing stones at the police during the ****in' IRA times but this is a FOOTBALL game.

[Rocafella]

So where exactly are they supposed to get the **** out of the way as you put it? Somehow I doubt a few thousand people or however many it was can all get out of the way. If you looked people were trying to get away but they were also trying to help other fans they saw being battered to the floor, and while being on the floor. If you had seen the pictures you would of seen that.

Tottenham fan and Sky Sports presenter Clare Tomlinson also attended the match as a supporter.

She condemned the behaviour of the police, saying: "We were watching the game but you couldn't do that because they kept running down the aisles and hitting out at the supporters.

"Then they say the supporters are reacting. When you're watching girls being hit, when you're watching disabled fans being attacked, people aren't just going to stand back and say 'well, that's okay'.

She added on Sky Sports News: "At half-time, we all got out of the stand - some of the people I was with - we all stood right at the back.

"There were five girls there with two lads and the police came at us there. We were clearly trying to get out of the way of the trouble and they threw us down some stairs and the boys got hit.

"If fans are going to that extent of trying to keep away from it then really the police have got some questions to answer."



What about the guy who was stabbed before the game by some Roma ultras? He was taken to hospital and then someone involved with the attackers came in and actually spat in the guys face and gave him abuse. How can you justify that? You say the police are gonna batter anyone? You think that's alright then, or that it's the United fans own fault for the police being like this? If one of your friends or family were in those stands somehow I don't think you would be brushing it off as if it's nothing.

[zcaliber]

You lot really jump at these oppurtunities to get on your high horses. I don't care if they are getting beaten because quite frankly if it was me I'd move out the ****in way. Unless you're in a wheelchair there is no excuse for not avoiding it, a god damn monkey could work out a huge row of pissed off italian police officers is not a good thing to run into. and at the end of the day, if the Man U fans hadn't been ***** slapped, it's highly likely they would have broken the barrier and it would have turned into the "300". Anyone defending these people who agrees with this needs to quit whining, and if they don't agree, they're wrong.

[Rocafella]

You lot really jump at these oppurtunities to get on your high horses. I don't care if they are getting beaten because quite frankly if it was me I'd move out the ****in way. Unless you're in a wheelchair there is no excuse for not avoiding it, a god damn monkey could work out a huge row of pissed off italian police officers is not a good thing to run into. and at the end of the day, if the Man U fans hadn't been ***** slapped, it's highly likely they would have broken the barrier and it would have turned into the "300". Anyone defending these people who agrees with this needs to quit whining, and if they don't agree, they're wrong.

After that I didn't really give a **** about what else you had to say. Pretty heartless thing to say tbh.

[zcaliber]

Oh wait.. was I supposed to cry? Did you know someone dies every 3 seconds? *Hands you a kleenex

[jodahunter]

I say we invite these police to the next XL, will make it a bit more interesting.

I can just imagine cackhandedchimp on the floor getting ****ted by a couple of guys both called Paulo.

Soz chimp, first person that came to mind.

[zcaliber]

He does look like the kinda person who suits being beaten up. Why don't we invite the Italian police AND the Man United fans, then I can personally ass punch the lot of them. Just because I can.

[Xg Corkin]

Pretty damn funny how people are standing up for what the Italian and Spanish police did.

[Pirate Balloon]

Italy are just angry because we beat them in WW2.


BEAT UP AS MANY FOOTBALL FANS AS YOU LIKE, IT DOESNT CHANGE THE SCORE


BRITAIN 1 - ITALY 0

[Finno]

Football fans need to chill the **** out. You cause the riot, you get beaten. ****ing hell, those people who got beaten for no reason deserve to get beeten, if there's a riot going on you get the **** out of the way, not stand and gawp. The police are gonna be pumped up so of course they're gonna batter anyone who stands even the slightest chance of being a threat.

As said before and summed up in the article below, it isn't always that easy to get away from an incident. The part of the ground where the police were would have been (was) overcrowded, and it is very hard to get away from an overcrowded area.

Football fans always give our county a bad name overseas.

I mean, i can understand fighting at your comrade's side throwing stones at the police during the ****in' IRA times but this is a FOOTBALL game.

That's the point though. You seem to believe that we're still in the 80's, with football fans going out of their way to cause trouble everywhere. That's not exactly true, I can't remember any real trouble caused by English fans for years. The United fans did react stupidly to the Roma fans, whilst the Spurs fans, well, the incident surrounding them seems to be a complete joke. No trouble before the riot police came, so what the hell were they trying to achieve?

You lot really jump at these oppurtunities to get on your high horses. I don't care if they are getting beaten because quite frankly if it was me I'd move out the ****in way. Unless you're in a wheelchair there is no excuse for not avoiding it, a god damn monkey could work out a huge row of pissed off italian police officers is not a good thing to run into.

Unfortunately it wasn't just people running towards the police who were hit, the police ran towards the United fans and hit people. Police hit people who were trying to help other people who had been hit get away. And, if you believe fans interviewed, and that article, people who were standing back, having had nothing to do with the incident.

Noone is saying this is a major world event, and that all Italian and Spanish Riot police should all be arrested. NOT saying that, but it is quite a big event in football, hence it being placed in the football section.

[KONSPIRACY]

I think one of the casing points here that hasnt been mentioned is that a small section of the Italian police were actually trying to stop their colleagues from beating these football fans for no apparent reason. If these ppl can clearly see the difference between right and wrong then surely the actions of the majority of police officers (even if they were under orders) were clearly wrong...hence the opinions of ppl defending them are wrong also.

[zcaliber]

Your Man U fan defences have been based on benefit of the doubt. Let's face it, they're chavs. They don't deserve it. The way I see it, Man U fans- Probably in the wrong. Italian Police- Maybe in the wrong. You don't know, and if you did, it'd still be subjective. That's it really isn't it. Done with this thread.

[DinnyHoon]

Due to your trolling opinion about your fellow men, I've decided not to give a **** about your opinion, and agree whole-heartedly with Kon.

Of course there was a small percentage of the police who behaved correctly and tried to stop their colleagues from going OTT, but the scum just can't be stopped. And yes, there were a few 'fans' who decided to have a go at the police, but that doesn't justify the riot that followed.

[Finno]

I think one of the casing points here that hasnt been mentioned is that a small section of the Italian police were actually trying to stop their colleagues from beating these football fans for no apparent reason. If these ppl can clearly see the difference between right and wrong then surely the actions of the majority of police officers (even if they were under orders) were clearly wrong...hence the opinions of ppl defending them are wrong also.

Actually it has been mentioned - I mentioned it in one of my long posts:)

[Pie In The Sky]

One thing that is bugging me in this thread is people saying 'Well they weren't beating the roma fans, how is that fair?'. Seriously, thats idiotic. Of course they weren't beating the roma fans. they were italian police, so they didnt beat their own countrymen, no big suprise. It's not unjust at all, your next door neighbour and a random italian guy are in a fight out on the street do you hit the italian of your neighbour, hmmm.
At the end of the day, life is unfair and harsh at times, get used to it. I think that the italian police did get a bit out of hand but not as much as some of you are making out. You really think they had no reason to hit the man u fans? You think the man u fans were all sitting there nicely saying 'oh well, it's not the winning it's the taking part that counts', of course not. They were being hooligans, and they deserved what they got.

[Finno]

One thing that is bugging me in this thread is people saying 'Well they weren't beating the roma fans, how is that fair?'. Seriously, thats idiotic. Of course they weren't beating the roma fans. they were italian police, so they didnt beat their own countrymen, no big suprise. It's not unjust at all, your next door neighbour and a random italian guy are in a fight out on the street do you hit the italian of your neighbour, hmmm.

That's all a joke right? Of course it's unjust, anyone can see that. Maybe if it had been with a set of fans they had often policed and never had trouble from, it would make some sense, but as there is a history of trouble with the Roma fans, how can you possibly say that is unjust.

A more fair analysis is if you saw two people fighting, one English and one Italian, what would you do. I personally wouldn't hit the Italian purely for that reason, would you?

[Pie In The Sky]

It's not a joke. They are italian police, they are going to hit english people over their fellow countrymen anyday.
British police would do the same. No matter how much you refuse to believe it, there is a deep instinct that tells you to stick up for people who are most like you. It may sound harsh but it's true. It's the same for everyone, two strangers you will always side towards the one who you can relate with, be it nationality or any other characteristic.

[YUKIMURA300]

It's cause the british are ****ing hooligans, whaddya expect. Bunch of ****s deserve a beating. (Mainly for liking football in the first place)

I love this guy :)

[KONSPIRACY]

Should be interesting tonight...

Chances of police attacking Roma fans in Manchester: 5%
Chances of police attacking Chelski fans in Valencia: 95%

[Xg Corkin]

Man Utd 1-0 Roma :) Rooney to score and Roma fans to start a riot because there scum.

[KONSPIRACY]

Watchin SSN n it looks like its kickin off a bit at Old Trafford already.

[Gaskin]

3-0 anyone?

[Pie In The Sky]

5-0 much?
SUCK IT!! haha

[KONSPIRACY]

6-0 w00t! :D

[Pie In The Sky]

Wow 7-1, thats a score and a half.
But who saw essien's 90th minute wonder? bloody good goal there.

[Xg Corkin]

And who ever doubted Utd would qualify :) Simply brilliant and both AC and Munich will find us hard to defend against. :)

[Finno]

Wow 7-1, thats a score and a half.
But who saw essien's 90th minute wonder? bloody good goal there.

Keeping mistake. A shame because Canizares was superb for 89 minutes, but it's still a mistake.

A keeper of his quality should save that kind of shot.

[Xg Corkin]

It wasn't really a mistake, the power behind Essiens shot made it very hard to save although other keepers might have done better. Also you can't really blame him because i saw the highlights and the saves he pulled of kept Valencia in the match.

[KONSPIRACY]

Letting a goal like that at the near post is embarrassing for any keeper! :D

[Finno]

It wasn't really a mistake, the power behind Essiens shot made it very hard to save although other keepers might have done better. Also you can't really blame him because i saw the highlights and the saves he pulled of kept Valencia in the match.

As I said in my post...

He would be expected to save that shot. What really got him was the way the ball bounced up, but he should have got more behind it than just that hand, and if he had, he would have kept it out.

His save from the Drogba header was superb, as was his save from the Ballack (?) header.