PS3 sales

[Mazzy]

The PlayStation 3 has become the best-selling console in UK history by shifting 165,000 units over the launch weekend.

Official figures show PS3 has beaten both the Wii and the Xbox 360's launch figures combined. That's 105,000 for the Wii and an estimated 70,000 for the Xbox 360.

This means 55,000 consoles are still available of the UK's launch allocation of 220,000 units.

The news follows a particularly negative response to the launch from the mass media - a knee-jerk reaction to the fact the PS3 did not sell out and that launch events were poorly attended.

taken from gamesradar. seems that every new console out-sells the last one released.

[DinnyHoon]

Sony are the only company to have launched their 7th-gen console with supply meeting demand. That 5 month delay paid off.

[gradinator]

Surely though that demand isn't as high as it was for the Wii at least?

I detect some Spin at work.

[quickshot89]

Sony are the only company to have launched their 7th-gen console with supply meeting demand. That 5 month delay paid off.

or, there was no interest in buying one, so they didnt need to worry about under stock?

[Razor]

The PlayStation 3 has become the best-selling console in UK history by shifting 165,000 units over the launch weekend.

Official figures show PS3 has beaten both the Wii and the Xbox 360's launch figures combined. That's 105,000 for the Wii and an estimated 70,000 for the Xbox 360.

or, there was no interest in buying one, so they didnt need to worry about under stock?

165,000 seem to think differently.

Sony holding back the launch in Europe was a smart move because everyone would only have whinged about lack of stock where as waiting a few months they have launched the console surpassing the 360 and the wii in the opening weekend and they still have enough stock for people to go and buy one as they please not having to wait for more to be in stock etc.

[Azure]

Good old Quickshot, not just saying dumb stuff, but painfully dumb stuff.

*Kncks on quickshots head.

Yoohoooo hello I have an important message to give you.

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Got it? That mean's you arent really allowed to post

"there was no interest in buying one".

Mmmkay?

[gradinator]

Question time, do you think the Wii would have sold more if stock was better?

This kinda shows us there arnt that many die hard Sony fans in England to sell out, though and im curious if sales will slow over the next few weeks.

[carocat]

This kinda shows us there arnt that many die hard Sony fans in England to sell out, though and im curious if sales will slow over the next few weeks.
I don't understand your reasoning? It was the fastest selling console?

[Pirate Balloon]

I read that as in, the die hard Sony fans didnt sell out and buy Wii's or whatever. They lasted all this wait to finally buy a PS3.

[gradinator]

Sorry,

I'm saying had the PS3 been launched prior to all the bad hype with infinaty stock (for sake of arguement) wouldn't from the amazing success of the ps2 see the system go rocketing off shelves at a faster rate to what it did.

Sure it's a high number but how much higher than wii? and would wii have sold more if available? i'm pretty sure from all the preorders still being forfilled in Jan and Feb.

All we can tell from these results is that Sony waited long enough for supply to meet demand and that surely anyone who wants a ps3 NOW! will have bought one by now due to the ease. I personally expect intrest to decline rapidly like it has in the states.

So the headline grabbed should not be Ps3's sells fastest in UK history, but PS3 waited and annoyed half of it's potencial audience into buying Wii's and 360's the former having much, much greater demand.

[Mazzy]

I thought that, would the wii or even the xbox360 sold just as many as the ps3 if they had enough on the shelf ?

[Rocafella]

Yeah, I think the Wii would of easily outsold the PS3 sales if Nintendo had enough supply. I mean in some places it's still hard to find one. In February the Wii outsold the PS3 by 2 to 1 in America.

[Azure]

Supply --> Demand.

You cannot just "What if" away half the market force for your favourite console or whatever that is absurd. The stock allocation is entirely up to the company behind the console, so "what if" doesnt count.

[DinnyHoon]

I thought that, would the wii or even the xbox360 sold just as many as the ps3 if they had enough on the shelf ?

But Nintendo and Microsoft couldn't get their arses in gear, and they lost out. PS3 is dominant in Europe now, and Allard and Iwata can only blame themselves. Congrats on the surprisingly successful launch, Sony.

[Rocafella]

Nintendo and Microsoft couldn't get their asses in gear??? What about Sony's piss take of a European delay and the fact that in the UK we are being ripped off comapred to the PS3 prices in America and other countries.

[DinnyHoon]

Well, that's corporations for you. But despite all the delays etc., it still sold more.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Well, that's corporations for you. But despite all the delays etc., it still sold more.

it sold more in the first batch - to say that the PS3 is dominant in Europe is just pure and utter piffle.

How many PS3 units are in circulation in Europe at the moment? 500 000? So assuming that the 20% unsold stock runs true throughout Europe then that means approx 400 000 units are in peoples homes, compared with how many Wii's and 360's?

So, that's domination is it? :confused:

*smacks head repeatedly*

[Mazzy]

Supply --> Demand.

You cannot just "What if" away half the market force for your favourite console or whatever that is absurd. The stock allocation is entirely up to the company behind the console, so "what if" doesnt count.

indeed, but it would have been a different story if they had stuck to the origanal date. with there "unproven tech"

and in no way is sony dominating europe.

[zcaliber]

PS3 is dominant in Europe now
uhh, you are a **** aren't you...

[KONSPIRACY]

I've heard *rumours* that the publicised sales figures are incorrect with ppl working in stores claiming that 200,000+ PS3s were stocked and only 100,000 units have been sold...hence why you can readily purchase a PS3 in most stores. As far as I'm aware there are no solid facts to back these rumours up.

Anyways, something to put a smile on your face:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w

:D

[carocat]

That song has been posted before I believe.

Why is everyone so bothered by the fact that it's the fastest selling console? It's obvious that it had more stock available and fans were quite hyped after the long wait.

The sales figures so far show absolutely nothing. What will be interesting to see are the figures in a few months, half a year, a year.

[gradinator]

Azure I think you took my what if's out of context, they were what if's and nothing more.

Now about the Wii being my favorate console which you implied that doesn't and shouldn't effect my judgement.

In fact it isn't my favorate console, it got boring after a while like you predicted...

As for why people are shocked at Sony it's because weve had nothing but bad news before launch.

[Spindryer]

Anyways, something to put a smile on your face:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w

:D


Hadn't heard this before and its not far off is it tbh, but will time will tell......... Killzone is were i would judge the PS3.

[Rocafella]

That song is class. i might get a PS3 if the price drops soonish. Gotta admit that 'Home' think looks pretty amazing.

[DinnyHoon]

uhh, you are a **** aren't you...

Sorry for hitting a fanboy nerve, but it's the truth. From the strong sales and high stock, the PS3 is already showing signs of market control in the United Kingdom. Over the next few months, the format war will start to slowly pick up, and a lot of people in the UK who were originally oblivious to such a war will realise that little Timmy's PlayStation also plays those fancy blu-rays they've been hearing about. Once BD starts selling, it will cover the DVD shelves in Blockbuster and ASDS. The cheapest player of these fancy shiny discs? The in-stock PS3.

Next time you feel like talking utter bollocks, cover your mouth.

[sub]

I've heard *rumours* that the publicised sales figures are incorrect with ppl working in stores claiming that 200,000+ PS3s were stocked and only 100,000 units have been sold...hence why you can readily purchase a PS3 in most stores. As far as I'm aware there are no solid facts to back these rumours up.

yeah I've heard much the same speaking to various folk from games store staff (not Game but gaming shops) and a few folk who work at the major supermarkets and they've all said they have PS3s left on the shelf with no one coming in to buy them, a few interested people but no one really up for it.

This generation wont be "won" the same way the last one was, the Playstation 2 sold as well as it did because it was little Timmy's parents buying it, whereas little Timmy is now 14+ and if still into gaming will be wanting to do it online with his mates kicking peoples ass and shouting at them down a headset so what console is big Timmy going to buy (or convince his parents to buy)?

The argument of "A PS3 is a cheap Blu-Ray player" is pretty poor, if Blu-Ray's only hope of getting any sort of hold on the market is with the PS3 then it's up a creek without a paddle.
HD-DVD is the far superior format, from the cheap production costs right through to the outstanding extras system which really needs to be seen to really understand how bloody good it is.

[zcaliber]

You were trying to provoke a fanboy reaction, and you got it, only thing is, I'm not a fanboy, I just gave you what you deserved. I don't own a single console, and don't ever intend to. PS3 is not "dominant in Europe" by any means, therefore you were wrong, ergo you're a retard and I'm allowed to call you a ****. ****.

[DinnyHoon]

But of course, Betamax was far superior, and that got ownd by VHS.

And the PS3 is indeed Blu-Ray's only real way onto the market, whereas HDDVD doesn't have that sort of leg-up.

EDIT: zcaliber - if you've never owned a games console, what the **** are you doing calling me a **** on a bloody games console forum because of my view on the obvious success a games console is going to have in the near future? Jesus H Whitakker, you're sadder than I thought.

[sub]

But of course, Betamax was far superior, and that got ownd by VHS.

And the PS3 is indeed Blu-Ray's only real way onto the market, whereas HDDVD doesn't have that sort of leg-up.

And Betamax was the more expensive format to produce... and backed by Sony... as was the Mini Disc... hmmm :P

The HD-DVD advantages though have pushed it for the early adopters as the format to go for, if you are going to go and spend ?20 on another copy of a movie you already have you want more than a prettier picture, you want features, and HD-DVD does that... unlike Blu-Ray which wont get support for it until late this year and what happens to the folk who already have a BD player? We don't know yet.

[zcaliber]

Calm down nob crusader I've had plenty of consoles in the past. Read: Past.

[DinnyHoon]

Hmmm.

I still think the buzzword and the fact that people are unknowingly buying BD players is still a *very* important factor in the war. I'll be honest - I haven't seen either format, so I'm going buy what's on paper and what I believe will happen.

Oh, and MD is still used in the recording industry ;-)

[Mazzy]

UMD , dont forget that crap. sony have a hell of alot of catching up to do, and soon will have the competition of halo3 and mario. I cant really see them selling many more console's in the comeing months, maybe this month they will continue to sell a few, people waiting till they get paid etc, or trying before buying, but by next month, the people who want one, will have one. and then the sale's will die down, until xmas time, and what will little billy be wanting at xmas? an Xbox, halo3,GTA etc. or wii, mario,smash etc or a ps3 with MGS, and killzone <WTF(points to the ps3 song thread)

yeah, im a fanboy, but not of xbox, SEGA all the way for me im affraid, down with playstation for killing the dreamcast.

[KONSPIRACY]

TBH I dont care about sales figures, Blueray or any other hardware specs...all I care about is the playing good games and being able to watch a movie on my console on my HDTV. If my Xbox 360 can provide that service to a satisfactory standard then I'm a happy bunny.

For me, Sony have priced themselves out as I simply cant justify spending ?450 on a games console and I have absolutely no interest in Blueray as a format until it becomes readily available on the market (same goes for HD-DVD).

[quickshot89]

a ps3 with MGS, and killzone <WTF(points to the ps3 song thread)
cast.


its only killzone now remember, they lost MGS didnt they to xbox?

ow, and in a world of business

profit > quality of product

so if blue ray is expensive, and the movie studios loose out on money, what do you think they will do? go to the hd-dvd where it is proven to be cheaper, and hence back to what someone said about hd-dvd winning, because the porn industry can burn on hd-dvd, and that means bye bye BD, and add on required for the ps3

[StompingFreak]

How come you can buy a PS3 anywhere now a week after launch?? The high price tag cant be helping the consloe to sell. Nearly half a grand for what most parents see as a toy for the children.

Plus the games arn't that amazing. My old bud, has one and for a die hard sony fan plays more ghost recon 2, an gears on his 360 than he's played on his PS3.

XBOX ROCKS!!!!

StompingFreak

its only killzone now remember, they lost MGS didnt they to xbox?

ow, and in a world of business

profit > quality of product

so if blue ray is expensive, and the movie studios loose out on money, what do you think they will do? go to the hd-dvd where it is proven to be cheaper, and hence back to what someone said about hd-dvd winning, because the porn industry can burn on hd-dvd, and that means bye bye BD, and add on required for the ps3

That was me!!!!! Porntastic!!

StompingFreak

[Demon]

As far as I'm aware Quickshot, MGS is still PS only, it's DMC that's gone to Xbox360 now.

[quickshot89]

As far as I'm aware Quickshot, MGS is still PS only, it's DMC that's gone to Xbox360 now.

meh, w/e, sony keep loosing games, its only a matter of time before most games become multiplatform. and that was one of the reasons for having a ps2 over an xbox, but now with gta4 being on the 360 at the same time, why buy an expensive console when you can get a cheaper one that plays it the same

[Bonzo]

We Xbox 360 gamers also get exclusive downloadable content for GTA not available on any other platform through the Xbox Live Marketplace ;)

[carocat]

Am I the only person that thinks it's bad in the long run that Sony are loosing so many exclusives and that they go multiplatform?

Am I the only one that actually wants Sony to do well? I suppose I'd even go as far as saying I'd want them to win the console war this time round.

Can you imagine what will happen once MS are the winners this time round? No one will push them any more, they won't work as hard. I don't even want to begin imagining the next generation with MS allowing themselves to sit back, because they have nothing to fear about.


EDIT: Bonzo: Other platforms will have their own exclusive content which won't be available on the 360.

[Retro]

Am I the only person that thinks it's bad in the long run that Sony are loosing so many exclusives and that they go multiplatform?

Am I the only one that actually wants Sony to do well? I suppose I'd even go as far as saying I'd want them to win the console war this time round.

Can you imagine what will happen once MS are the winners this time round? No one will push them any more, they won't work as hard. I don't even want to begin imagining the next generation with MS allowing themselves to sit back, because they have nothing to fear about.


EDIT: Bonzo: Other platforms will have their own exclusive content which won't be available on the 360.

I think games becoming more multiplatform based is better, because we will be able to start seeing the difference in consoles when we can compare the most sought after games.

If sony do flump this generation then i think they will only come back harder and more bad ass next gen...

[quickshot89]

Am I the only person that thinks it's bad in the long run that Sony are loosing so many exclusives and that they go multiplatform?

Am I the only one that actually wants Sony to do well? I suppose I'd even go as far as saying I'd want them to win the console war this time round.

Can you imagine what will happen once MS are the winners this time round? No one will push them any more, they won't work as hard. I don't even want to begin imagining the next generation with MS allowing themselves to sit back, because they have nothing to fear about.


EDIT: Bonzo: Other platforms will have their own exclusive content which won't be available on the 360.

cat, i agreed with what youve just said 2 posts up

[Pirate Balloon]

What i loved about ..maybe 2 gens ago? With PS 1 and N 64 and whatever. There were SO many games, each console had a **** load of different games and had all kinds of console exclusives. The way it's going now, there'll be like 6 games for all the consoles :(

[carocat]

That song has been posted before I believe.

Why is everyone so bothered by the fact that it's the fastest selling console? It's obvious that it had more stock available and fans were quite hyped after the long wait.

The sales figures so far show absolutely nothing. What will be interesting to see are the figures in a few months, half a year, a year.

cat, i agreed with what youve just said 2 posts up
You mean this:
Why is everyone so bothered by the fact that it's the fastest selling console? It's obvious that it had more stock available and fans were quite hyped after the long wait.

The sales figures so far show absolutely nothing. What will be interesting to see are the figures in a few months, half a year, a year.
If not, I'm confused what you mean.

Yeah, but we're past that bit of the thread now, are we not? As soon as we're talking about games coming out in months that are no longer exclusive we're no longer talking about the initial PS3 sales that were higher than any other console before.

And I stick by what I've said before: I want both consoles to do well or maybe even Sony winning.

[Azure]

Put it simply, if Sony doesn't make back a serious amount of money in what they have invested into the PS3 then the console market is doomed. In every sense of the word.

[sub]

Yeah, but we're past that bit of the thread now, are we not? As soon as we're talking about games coming out in months that are no longer exclusive we're no longer talking about the initial PS3 sales that were higher than any other console before.

Good for Sony getting 160,00 sales in a weekend, well done, however what are their sales going to be for the next few weeks/months? The news died really quickly that the PS3 was the fastest selling console launch, whereas the 360's shortages rolled on in the news cycle for weeks which obviously helped MS out in the long run and the net result will most likely be that in the next month or two look back at the sales stats for the past 2 months for Sony and the first 2 of the 360 and see which is actually the better seller.

[Mazzy]

Put it simply, if Sony doesn't make back a serious amount of money in what they have invested into the PS3 then the console market is doomed. In every sense of the word.

i agree, if they do flop it will truely be, a wii360. MS dont have it in for nintendo and i dont think they see them as any kind of threat now. the only competion MS has is sony, and when the competition dies, thats when we, the gamer lose out.

[gradinator]

Why do we lose out?

Sorry but Sony ruled the roost last gen yet we still got excellent innovation and games from the other 2 consoles.

The Ps2 proves the Wii can and will be able to be hot property even when theirs high def alternatives, Nintendo can't fail this generation, it's too cheap and has thrown too little money at Wii to get their ass handed back to them. This also worked against the belief people are going to want to go Hd - blu ray crazy anytime soon and until they do what can Sony do?

Now, if the competiton dies like Sega how do we the gamer lose out? we don't, we get more studios on the remaining consoles, or we get that dieing console to come back fighting Nintendo Wii style. If things get too bad and the remainents extort the gamers people simply stop playing games. This causes a rise in critical creativity to get us back thus making the gamers happy.

Smarter people than us know exactly what their doing, look how the negative press forced Sony to innovate with 'home' we the gamers profit when consoles sell bad.

[Chet Webley]

erm, does anyone really give 2 shits?

who cares how many consoles whoever have sold. virtually all of the games are multi-format now, with the exception of "first party" titles like zelda, halo & gran turismo, so they're still gonna get made.

of all of the people i know who wanted a ps3, only 1 has one now, and the rest are waiting for the inevitable price drop. a couple of them got burned with dodgy ps2's when they pre-ordered them, which is making them wait - maybe this explains why they haven't sold out?

[Azure]

Sorry but Sony ruled the roost last gen yet we still got excellent innovation and games from the other 2 consoles.

Sony is not MS.

You fancy the idea of everything going micro-transaction and having literally all of the independent developers and publishers slowly bought one by one by MS? And the already dire hardware issues being compounded by a release now patch later mentality?

[gradinator]

If the industry got more capitalist and more money grabbing people would shy away, this means creativity would rise as it would in wartime in an effort to keep us content.

[sub]

Sony is not MS.

You fancy the idea of everything going micro-transaction and having literally all of the independent developers and publishers slowly bought one by one by MS? And the already dire hardware issues being compounded by a release now patch later mentality?

The "release now, patch later" mentality is a few publishers rather than a Microsoft issue, Ubisoft in particular seem set in this way, just look how long it took them to bring out a small patch to fix things which we complained about from day one of Vegas' launch, and there are still issues with. Personally I don't mind downloading patches and updates every now and again, spent years doing it on the PC back on 33k (remember the pre 56k era... damn those were the days :D) and don't have any problem doing it now, it'll be when the game ships incomplete that I'll be pissed.

[Azure]

Oh I know the general attitude in the industry is getting more and more Lax, but I don't see MS doing anything about it, I would predict if MS had majority control of consoles [if sony bowed out entirely] then it would be a world of hurt for gamers.

I can imagine it now, You must buy a zune and use it as a memory card, you must buy Vista home premium at least to cross platform game, you must also install windows media center on your 360 you must also buy a HDD for 5x the price. It goes on and on, I know that Sony have ever been the cunts for releasing proprietry formats in a lot of things, but i see MS as being more cuntish about it's delivery.

[quickshot89]

well i played on a ps3 in marks and spencer, yes tehy sell the consoles now, and the ps3's pad sucks, the r2 and l2 suck balls, way to springy to use IMO, and the controller is way to light, it really sucks, not to mention the thing looks like turd and its huge

[FiveOhOne]

If the industry got more capitalist and more money grabbing people would shy away, this means creativity would rise as it would in wartime in an effort to keep us content.


What in shits name is that supposed to mean?

[StompingFreak]

What in shits name is that supposed to mean?
With you all the way..

StompingFreak

[Chet Webley]

If the industry got more capitalist and more money grabbing people would shy away, this means creativity would rise as it would in wartime in an effort to keep us content.

sorry to say this, but - "****"

*shakes head*

[gradinator]

It's not actually differcult to comprehend.

I'll simplify it.

If the gaming industry got more capitalist (you must know what that means for the love of god) and more money grabbing people would shy away (stop playing games), this means creativity (in gaming) would rise as it would in wartime (ww1 saw the evolution of gas, tanks and planes) in an effort to keep us (the gamer) content (so we don't go and stop playing games).

As for you Webley, go **** yourself, i've tried to be friendly and now i'm not trying to be friendly :)

[sub]

If the gaming industry got more capitalist (you must know what that means for the love of god) and more money grabbing people would shy away (stop playing games), this means creativity (in gaming) would rise as it would in wartime (ww1 saw the evolution of gas, tanks and planes) in an effort to keep us (the gamer) content (so we don't go and stop playing games).

I think Jay needs to be quoted again.

"What in shits name is that supposed to mean?"

Your analogy is crap, infact your whole concept is shite.

[gradinator]

Theres enough evidence to prove contrary Sub but i've lot intrest in the pigheadedness of some people on these forums and shant be replying futher.

[sub]

Theres enough evidence to prove contrary Sub but i've lot intrest in the pigheadedness of some people on these forums and shant be replying futher.

OF course technology moved forwards during WWI and WWII however it moved forwards because it was war time, and being able to produce that plane which goes a tiny bit faster or banks that bit steeper, and that radar system which actually works through clouds is rather important, and placating the population is down the bottom of the list of reasons, right down there with "because I stubbed my toe this morning i must develop new radar!"

[carocat]

No offence to anyone, but we all know that that was a very sweeping statement and nowhere near what is going to happen. I fail to see how this relates ontopic?

The gameindustry is full of money. - Fact.
People are out to make money out of everything. - Fact.





As a sidenote, I find your obsession with war very odd, granted some of your favourite films are war films, but surely you couldn't suggest that a total collapse of the industry is the best option to create innovation?

As for the fact that you've lost interest in explaining/backing up your statement, that is as bad as anything else that ****s this forum up. You can't sit on a high horse talking about the demise of the forum if you yourself do nothing to counteract it, but instead do it yourself.

[gradinator]

Sub you make some good points and yes there are some extremes in comparing the decline of a gaming industry to ww2 but your looking at it the wrong way.

It's not the fact it's a huge event like ww2 it's the fact a lot was on the line.

When theres a lot to lose innovation goes sky high, look at war, nuclear weapons and the struggle to get the best ones and then look closer to home, Nintendo knew they were on the way out and that the industry was becoming isolated so they made the DS and Wii. I think saying this saved Nintendo is an overstatement but i'm pretty sure it proves my point.

The space race? was that not Capitalism and Communism trying to show each other up by innovating faster?

Cat I think i've proved im right and have nothing more to contribute to this threat, sorry if thats a forum no, no but surely replying futher would be spam.

Now to elaborate my position in this arguement. I never said collapsing the industry is the best way for innovation but if gaming was to decline it would kick off one hell of a creativity splurt to hang onto all those billions tied to the industry.

[Azure]

You are a ****ing idiot.

I keep expecting you to make some Krusty the clown "Muahahahahaha" noise and say you were joking. Yo compare "Creativity" in the gaming industry to wartime struggles to acheive greater technologies is at best, ****ing ridiculous, whichever way you want to spin it. News flash - the development of radar/gas fuel/Armour piercing rounds/Navigation systems under the promise of death/slavery is a lot more persuasive than consumer economics.

In fact the very idea you can compare the two I think is just completely obnoxious and a typically maladjusted set of ideas that kids seem to have these days when they bum WWI/WWII too much for their own good.

[Chet Webley]

As for you Webley, go **** yourself, i've tried to be friendly and now i'm not trying to be friendly :)

sorry kiddo, no can do - got a bad back, see?

i'm glad you clarified your earlier statement, so that everyone else can tell what bollocks you're spouting. do you seriously think that without "money grabbing" people like microsoft & sony, we'd even have consoles to play games on? or games like halo, resi, or even shadow of the colossus would get made? if it wasn't for the likes of them, we'd still be playing Ant Attack.

[gradinator]

Ok, last chance at explaining this.

and i'm simply going to quote myself from earlier.

Now, if the competiton dies like Sega how do we the gamer lose out? we don't, we get more studios on the remaining consoles, or we get that dieing console to come back fighting Nintendo Wii style. If things get too bad and the remainents extort the gamers people simply stop playing games. This causes a rise in critical creativity to get us back thus making the gamers happy

Sod the real world examples based on war or idealogy, just take it for what it is a random comment now not even backed up with logic.

Now comes the humble pie as I appologize to Jay for implying I was talking nonsense same with Webley even if his wording is more provocative. In my mind it makes complete sense and I think i've gone out my way to prove why. In your minds it doesn't but I won't hold it against you now I realise im the minority.

Do you seriously think that without "money grabbing" people like microsoft & sony, we'd even have consoles to play games on?

No I don't which makes me wonder why you can even read that into what I said.

Agree to dissagree.

[Chet Webley]

No I don't which makes me wonder why you can even read that into what I said.



by the mere fact that unless there were billions of dollars to grab, these companies wouldn't be making consoles or games.

i don't understand your "if it's a commercial success, it must be crap" attitude - most of the games companies only get their creative freedom from being a commercial success, as do film directors and music bands. you can be creative in music without having been commercially successful in music now, and to a certain extent in movies, too. but unless your programming for something like XBL, there's NO WAY you're going to be able to make a commercially successful, creative & innovative game for this generation of consoles. do you have any idea how many people & how long it takes to make a good game? unless you have a name, you're never going to get a distribution deal, etc. etc.

[gradinator]

i don't understand your "if it's a commercial success, it must be crap" attitude

But that's not my attitude nor been my point in this arguement so I don't really know what to say.

[IcemanLeigh]

I have to admit that grad's war analogy is completely legitimate..

However it is completely the wrong way round! The reason for all of the innovation during the WW's was because of the simpla fact that it was A WAR, and without the innovation one of the sides would have won alot easier.

In the exact same way that the console WAR, is being fought, and so the companies need to innovate and strive to please the customers to stop themselves from losing said war.

If you read your analogy in terms of what you are talking about, you will realise that you are trying to claim that if during one of the WW's, one side was to clearly win, and end the war, then innovation would step up to keep countries happy?

This is not true, since you are so keen on your war analogy, and to simplify it for you, I will continue down this road. When a war is being fought, like the current one between Sony, MS, and to an extent, Nintendo. This is the time that innovation is it at its height, and technology progresses faster than before. If one or two consoles were to fall, just like in a WW, the winner would have full power of the market (remember the treaty of versaille?) They can do whatever they like, and will not continue to be innovative and creative to please customers, but instead up prices and demands simply because they can without opposition.

You dont get innovation and creativity after a war has finished. Occasionally you will get a man with a plan that has his chance to release a product that has a chance of gaining back a place in the market (i.e nintendo, or in your war analogy would be hitler. (I did not just compare nintendo to hitler.. ;) )) But in between, there is a decline in innovation, and an incline in control and being able to do whatever the hell they like.

Please retract your earlier humble pie, take a piece of this one and munch it down, however bitter it tastes.

[Duke87]

So, to simplify, the fact that MS and Sony are in direct competition leads to innovation, which is good. If one of them drops, the other one doesn't have to work as hard to keep their fanbase. Which is bad.

That about it? :p

[carocat]

Which is exactly what's been said about 2 pages ago in this thread. :p

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http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74928

[Mazzy]

Everyone who wants one, got one, the few that bought it this week were the ones waiting for there pay check. also CnC has taken the top spot in the all format chart, altho that was bound to happen.

[KONSPIRACY]

The mrs has decided she wants to buy a Wii...only problem is that she cant find any shops with them in stock (I havent looked yet tbh). Told her she could buy a PS3 as they are available everywhere...so when you apply simple market forces and basic economics, its a simple case of demand > supply for the Wii, and due to the competition with Xbox 360 and over pricing, supply > demand for the PS3.

[gradinator]

Just read that Ps3 sales are down 82% in the UK this week.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/04/03/ps3-sales-go-down-the-drain-slight-clog/

[kurosaki7]

Well i just got one today and its great, motorstorm shows how good a launch game can be, especially when it comes to the online play.

The market place is certainly structured more efficiently and also i think the price tag of ?400 i payed can be justified, but i think the PS3 is easily worth the full amount but to be at a price point, ?350-380 just because of the lack of a hdmi cable. (which is only ?12)

That said though things like having to buy a recharge kit for the 360 pads are not needed for the ps3 so thats money saved.

Admittedly there are only about 2 games out for it that are worth buying if you dont want the multi-platform games. But GTHD is good especially for a free d/l and from may-july there should be the likes of Lair being released. Flow is also something a little different but i think once ive seen all there is to see on it it will be left.

Anyhow after the first day of buying it i dont regret it and am pleased with the purchase, however in 2 weeks we shall see, the Wii for me didnt last that long, Zelda left me extremely underwhelmed for one, its the same old stuff, id rather replay Ocarina and the controls were too much of a fad (and annoying for me, pad > tv remote). If not at least this time ive invested in a blu-ray player :) which has recently gained the edge over hd-dvd.