Worms Discussion

[longjohnmcnasty1]

Cound me and all the worms from the good ship McNasty in for this one.

[Liam]

Is your keyboard broken?

[KONSPIRACY]

My bad...thought I'd created this thread already! lol

Anyways, me n the Fukwits will be representing in all their Dumbass glory! :D

[Pirate Balloon]

I love a bit of turn-based rage :)

[IcemanLeigh]

EXACTLY! I want in. Come on then!

[Mazzy]

My worms will kick anyones arse ! you wont even see downs fisher till its too late !

[KONSPIRACY]

Any suggestions on rules and format that you'd like to see us include? Standard ranked game rules or something else? Let us know asap as registration will be open either today or over the weekend :cool:

[Liam]

Worms tournament?!? :eek: Damn, I wish I had worms!

[Mazzy]

Any suggestions on rules and format that you'd like to see us include? Standard ranked game rules or something else? Let us know asap as registration will be open either today or over the weekend :cool:

i've been thinking about this, how about, pro settings, and to make it totaly random each play picks a number, in turn, so the map is totaly random, as not to give anyone the advantage. which would mean a mic is a must, but that should be a rule because how would you totaly humiliate an opponent with a prod, if he could'nt hear you !

[quickshot89]

just let me and the helljumpers play already :D sparky shall own you all *evil laugh*

[Morgan90]

I don't know about worms, but Pirate Balloon has a trouser maggot

Please make sure your posts are on topic. - Cat

[Demon]

I don't know about worms, but Pirate Balloon has a trouser maggot

lmao, and you would know this how? :p

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Worms tournament?!? :eek: Damn, I wish I had worms!

Me too. :p

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Any suggestions on rules and format that you'd like to see us include? Standard ranked game rules or something else? Let us know asap as registration will be open either today or over the weekend :cool:

- Limited ropes (2 max)
- Limited jetpacks (2 max)
- No airstrikes
- Homing missile on 4 round delay


That should do it!

[quickshot89]

3 ropes :(

[BlueHoopedMoose]

3 ropes :(

why do you need any more than 2?! the maps in this version are too small for ropes as it and they end up completely ruining the game

[teh flying tea rar]

sounds cool count me in

[Mazzy]

Thats just about the pro settings. you get 2 ropes i think 1 jet pack, im not too sure about air strike, but that is far from too powerful.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Thats just about the pro settings. you get 2 ropes i think 1 jet pack, im not too sure about air strike, but that is far from too powerful.

the problem with air strikes is that it ruins the sudden death aspect don't you think?

[Mazzy]

yeah but were not talking about playing the CPU, games dont go to sudden against people. unless someone runs and hides.

[Morgan90]

No weapons, except prod, that should make the games last :p

[BlueHoopedMoose]

yeah but were not talking about playing the CPU, games dont go to sudden against people. unless someone runs and hides.

you're joking, right?!

games don't go to sudden death for one of two reasons then:
1) the time limit is something stupid like 30 mins
2) everyone has too many ropes and jetpacks and they go round dropping mines on people's heads

everyone has lost the art of bazooka's and 1 second grenades... :(

[Tugsy]

you're joking, right?!

games don't go to sudden death for one of two reasons then:
1) the time limit is something stupid like 30 mins
2) everyone has too many ropes and jetpacks and they go round dropping mines on people's heads

everyone has lost the art of bazooka's and 1 second grenades... :(

Too right, I played a few games of this the other day, one guy spent the entire match blow torching and 'girdering' himself and the other player decided it would be a good idea to just kamikaze each of his worms and hope for the best.

I do abuse the ninja rope - but only for better positioning and to get crates (banana bombs are worth the effort)... the jet pack I can't quite get my head around at the moment, so I tend to use the shotgun, rocket launcher and grenades where possible.

I'll be entering this and most likely winning it as well. ;)

[Mazzy]

We shall see who comes out on top ! not to blow my own trumpet or anything but im pretty good at this game.

the problem with setting up your own game settings is, you have to get everyone to create the same settings, so why not just pick one of the many allready available to us. someone chickens out and runs, then thats up to them, and upto you to stop them and DESTROY THEM!

[BlueHoopedMoose]

I do abuse the ninja rope - but only for better positioning and to get crates (banana bombs are worth the effort)...
That's fair enough but when you have unlimited ninja ropes, 45 second round times and relatively small maps it becomes a bit tiresome - all you get is *swing* *swing* <collect medic kit> *swing* *swing* <collect crate> *swing* *swing* <drop dynamite / mine> *swing* *swing* <hide>

it destroys what i always thought worms is about, which is people having pops at each other across a half-destroyed map after all your power weapons have gone. sorry to bleat on about it, but i'm a bit of a purist when it comes to worms!

We shall see who comes out on top ! not to blow my own trumpet or anything but im pretty good at this game.
that's the beauty of worms - it's largely about luck especially when playing with 4 teams. I've lost count of the amount of times this weekend that i've been down to 1.5 worms and not even had a turn!

the problem with setting up your own game settings is, you have to get everyone to create the same settings, so why not just pick one of the many allready available to us. someone chickens out and runs, then thats up to them, and upto you to stop them and DESTROY THEM!
it takes about 2 minutes to create a scheme - and not everyone has to have it saved, just the host.

i don't mind using a pre-defined scheme but i just hope we don't have unlimited ropes or jetpacks - Full Wormage could be a scheme to use (but still slightly bad cos it has Air Strikes), or Professional.

[PROPERBOri5JAKE]

Yeah ill be up for it:D

[Mazzy]

It has to be 1 vs 1. would be totaly unfair other wise. and then you would get, "well they ganged up on me, thats why i lost"

[BlueHoopedMoose]

It has to be 1 vs 1. would be totaly unfair other wise. and then you would get, "well they ganged up on me, thats why i lost"

if it's 1 vs 1 then i doubt i'll be playing. head to head is soooo dull on Worms. Worms is the *one* game on XBL that can claim to be good, honest, proper fun - it should continue that way too.

[Gaskin]

As far as I'm concerned this event will be 1v1v1v1.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

As far as I'm concerned this event will be 1v1v1v1.

*thumbs up*

if it's a popular event maybe we could have a doubles event afterwards!!?

[Gaskin]

I'll see what I can do. :cool:

[Mazzy]

you cant play teams on this worms.

and 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 will never work, you tried hosting a 4 player match ? see how long it last, thats if you can even start it !

[Tugsy]

If it's not a four player death match then I won't be entering.

[Gaskin]

Mazzy, are you events staff? Hush.

You can play teams on this worms, aslong as you agree to ally with a player. Use your common sense lad.

I have hosted a four played match several times, it's fine. Now stop your moaning.

[Mazzy]

Gaskin, im surposed to be......KON !

and LOL ! cormac and his mate did that, i kept beating them so they "teamed up" still ended up me winning as, by the 3rd or 4th go all hell broke lose.

i also have hosted 4 players. and most but not all have played fine. I mean its ****ing WORMS ! i could host 4 players on a 56k modem FFS ! why cant the xbox 360 do it !

[Gaskin]

A bit of maturity round here would be nice. As far as Mr.Gaskin is concerned this will be a 1v1v1v1 competition and may enter into 1v1 as we get closer to a final. I'll be discussing this with Chris.

[quickshot89]

2v2 would be more fun

red and green vs blue and yellow

[BlueHoopedMoose]

i also have hosted 4 players. and most but not all have played fine. I mean its ****ing WORMS ! i could host 4 players on a 56k modem FFS ! why cant the xbox 360 do it !

Then your 360 must be completely pony - i've played many a 4 player Worms game and it works fine. Except for last night when it appeared that the whole thing was generally broken.

btw forget that I mentioned Full Wormage earlier - it has unlimited ropes :(

HOWEVER...

I've realised the "issue" I have with ropes, is not actually an issue with ropes - it's an issue with levels that have ceilings. As said before the maps are just too small - basically with ropes and ceiling if your Worm has <=50 health and it's not your turn then you're dead. booooooooo.

So, how do decide on what maps are good? I may do some tinkering tonight and take some screenshots... (also, is it or me or am I the only one that is *really* excited by event?!?)

[Burning Toast]

am I the only one that is *really* excited by event?!?)

No looking forward this, when I get broadband back :mad: . totally agree with limited ropes or just not having any levels with ceilings.

I also like the good old days where bazookas and grandes where the most used weapon. There nothing more satisfying than hitting / killing half way across the screen with a bazooka, using the wind, etc. I used to be awesome at this, but alas not so good now - to easy to use other weapons.

[Mazzy]

Its not me who has the extreme problem of hosting, as i said mine does almost every time, cormac for the first week couldnt host or join one. so he could'nt get his achiefment.

I do have a problem with the 1vs1vs1vs1, not only is it unfair , it will cause more problems than the 10/20/30 sec's GOW . im fine either way, which ever "you choose".

[Gaskin]

Yes Mazzy, because Worms is really competative.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

I do have a problem with the 1vs1vs1vs1, not only is it unfair , it will cause more problems than the 10/20/30 sec's GOW . im fine either way, which ever "you choose".

Please explain to me how 4 teams, with the same weapons, placed at random on a map is "unfair"? I'd love to know... Also while you're at it please explain how it will cause more problems?

Opinions without substance = spam

Yes Mazzy, because Worms is really competative.
^^^^ exactly

[Mazzy]

If this is a tourny, it would make it unfair. its the reason we play PGR with collisions off. because otherwise it would be unfair, and turn the competion into a sham.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

If this is a tourny, it would make it unfair. its the reason we play PGR with collisions off. because otherwise it would be unfair, and turn the competion into a sham.

no, it's still not unfair - unfair implies that someone has something that another person doesn't (or does) have. when all rules are equal then it is not unfair. go get a dictionary and find a better word.

and i believe the reason why collisions were turned off for PGR was to:
a) stop people whinging like *****es that "so-and-so rammed me on purpose"
b) because with PGR it's pretty much the person who gets round the 1st corner in first that wins the race.

[Mazzy]

Indeed, but just translate that reasoning to worms.

If it is to be 1vs1vs1vs1 someguy will no doubt do some complaining that he got ganged up on.

Do as you please, im just adding my two cents to the disscusion about worms. not spamming. report me if you feel that is what im doing.

[Morgan90]

I suppose thats true, however people will complain that there was a reason they lost for most things, no way around that...

[Mazzy]

Yeah, but they would have nothing to complain about if it was 1vs1. and the overall winner would not be the lucky bugger, but the guy who is actualy very good at worms.

lets have two worms tournies, one for fun ,4 players and one , 1 on 1. not at the same time of corse.

[KONSPIRACY]

My suggestion which should make everyone happy...


Players are split into groups/leagues of 4.
Each player plays 4 fixtures as follows:


Each player plays each other once (1v1).
3pts awarded for a win.
One group game (1v1v1v1).
3pts awarded for a win, 2pts for 2nd, 1pt for 3rd


This is spose to be a fun tournament so why not have the best of both worlds?

[Morgan90]

Good plan in theory....

[Mazzy]

http://www.xblarcade.com/node/499

and

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/03/28/worms-update-wriggles-out-soon/

Seem's like there fixing the 4 player games.

[The Trunk Munky]

I think it should be 1v1v1v1 as Worms is meant to be fun, and is most fun with lots of carnage. 1v1 can get boring as it is more likely someone will run away and the game will be decided simply through usage of teleports etc. Oh, and i know at least 2 other people that want to enter - so where do we sign up?

[KONSPIRACY]

Unfortunately we are currently experiencing technical difficulties with the comp portals. As soon as the MatchBox360 webteam get chance to fix the problem then registration will open...could be a week or so tbh :cool:

[Burning Toast]

I can see how a 4 player game could be demmed unfair (although it not) when your the last person to have his go and where 2 of your worms have already been killed. Hopefully you would hope everyting evens itself out, but nothing is guarntee, but then you know this is part of the game before you start, irrotanting yes, un fair - not really.

I think Kons idea is a good one (and happy to go with what ever), but I find 1v1 can get a little boring (like previously mentioned. My preference is to play 4, 4 player games. With regards to my point above, 'who's turn it is. I'm sure that it can be made fairer, by the use of skip goes, so 1 player isn't penalised by going last all the time.

[OB1theGeordie]

So you lose a couple of worms...
It can work to your advantage as their turns come round quicker then.

Also 1v1, 1v1v1v1? both are riddled with luck. So neither is unfair TBH.

Weapon drops and worms start positions are entirely random and down to pure chance.

Do you go to the bookies when you lose a bet and complain it's unfair. Or what about when you get a crappy hand in poker, do you demand your buy in back.

You'd lose a kneecap. It's just pure entertainment. Any old jammy bugger could win. Thats what worms is about.

If you don't like it then go play chess or summat

[Tugsy]

So you lose a couple of worms...
It can work to your advantage as their turns come round quicker then.

Also 1v1, 1v1v1v1? both are riddled with luck. So neither is unfair TBH.

Weapon drops and worms start positions are entirely random and down to pure chance.

Do you go to the bookies when you lose a bet and complain it's unfair. Or what about when you get a crappy hand in poker, do you demand your buy in back.

You'd lose a kneecap. It's just pure entertainment. Any old jammy bugger could win. Thats what worms is about.

If you don't like it then go play chess or summat

Hear, hear!

Part of the tactics of a 4v4 game is making your worms not obvious targets...

[KONSPIRACY]

Registration is now open. Please check Worms Championship (http://www.matchbox360.co.uk/events/Worms+Championship) portal on the front page. :cool:

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Registration is now open. Please check Worms Championship (http://www.matchbox360.co.uk/events/Worms+Championship) portal on the front page. :cool:

yay!!

now, who's up some warm up games this weekend? team "Family Moose" needs some more practice!

oh yeah, and what rule sets we using? Ranked? Please not Full Wormage... and which maps?!?!!?

[SuperTrevDX]

Blue HoopedMouse,

If you'd like some practice I'm always up for a game I need some as well ;) .

Only time I won't be available is Thurs eve and Sat eve - Regular Gears meet, but other than that just send us an invite.

SuperTrevDX

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Blue HoopedMouse,

If you'd like some practice I'm always up for a game I need some as well ;) .

Only time I won't be available is Thurs eve and Sat eve - Regular Gears meet, but other than that just send us an invite.

SuperTrevDX

Cool will do - I am pretty tied up this week myself but plan to be about most of the weekend!

[KONSPIRACY]

oh yeah, and what rule sets we using? Ranked? Please not Full Wormage... and which maps?!?!!?
I'm open to suggestion on the rules mate even though I do like my groups of 4 suggestion :rolleyes:

If you have any suggestions send me your rules requests on PM or post in here :cool:

[BlueHoopedMoose]

I'm open to suggestion on the rules mate even though I do like my groups of 4 suggestion :rolleyes:

yeah, that seems a very workable idea and should provide much fun! I'm guessing this idea will also depend on numbers registered?

Rules: I am fully for the "Ranked" group - it's certainly the most skillful pre-defined rule set, and only consists of one round. Would you make the 1 vs 1 best of three? In which case we'd need to create a custom rule set...

Maps: Anything that doesn't have a roof :D

EDIT: I'm also presuming that glitches like the mine / rope / dynamite glitch are ruled out? What about upside down rope usage? Cos technically that's not a glitch, just very sneaky!

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah I was thinking one round using ranked rule set tbh for 1v1...ppl may lose interest n not complete fixtures if it was best of 3.

[iamlegend]

Just recently got Worms...and still trying to get any bit decent at it.
I might be interested in this

[Tugsy]

I've entered this, but depending on the rules I may drop out.

[KONSPIRACY]

What would you like to see included in the rules mate? Any preferences?

I think just having 1v1v1v1 would make it a very short tournament tbh hence why I suggest adding some quick fire 1v1s into the mix for good measure.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Yeah I was thinking one round using ranked rule set tbh for 1v1...ppl may lose interest n not complete fixtures if it was best of 3.

Yeah that's maybe true if it were 4 players in a match but with 1v1 i find that best of three usually ends up running for a decent time - not too long, not too short. The problem with one round is you can get shafted by the Worm Gods and it's all over before you know it!

Come on Tugs - spill the beans! What rules would you like?

[The Trunk Munky]

Nooooooooooooo, 1v1 is boring and ranked rules are simply bad. No banana bomb, no sheep, 5 airstrikes!? Cmon! 1v1v1v1 with a custom set of rules.

I suggest mine - 60 second turns, 15 minute rounds, retreat time 3. Weapons = unlimited bazooka, 2 homing missiles, unlimited grenades, 1 clusterbomb, 1 bananabomb with a delay of 1, 1 dynamite, 1 airstrike with a delay of 3, unlimited shotgun, 1 uzi, 3 firepunches, unlimited dragonball, unlimited prods, 2 blowtorches, 3 mines, 1 sheep, unlimited kamikaze, 3 ropes, 2 girders, 1 jetpack, 2 teleports.

[KONSPIRACY]

Thats the kind of feedback I'm looking for.

If anyone has any suggestions like Trunk Monky then speak up now! :D

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Thats the kind of feedback I'm looking for.

If anyone has any suggestions like Trunk Monky then speak up now! :D

I shall post my custome rule set later on this evening!

[Gaskin]

Hurrah! All hail Andi.

*Starts to crave WoW and Boom Boom Rocket*

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Nooooooooooooo, 1v1 is boring and ranked rules are simply bad. No banana bomb, no sheep, 5 airstrikes!? Cmon! 1v1v1v1 with a custom set of rules.

I suggest mine - 60 second turns, 15 minute rounds, retreat time 3. Weapons = unlimited bazooka, 2 homing missiles, unlimited grenades, 1 clusterbomb, 1 bananabomb with a delay of 1, 1 dynamite, 1 airstrike with a delay of 3, unlimited shotgun, 1 uzi, 3 firepunches, unlimited dragonball, unlimited prods, 2 blowtorches, 3 mines, 1 sheep, unlimited kamikaze, 3 ropes, 2 girders, 1 jetpack, 2 teleports.

I'd go with the majority of Munky's ideas, but with the following changes:

45 second turns - 60 is just too long especially with quite small maps. I would say 30 is plenty but I guess it wouldn't be too popular...

10 minute rounds - for 1v1, or 15 for > 1v1

1 homing missile - thinking of it in weapons vs worm health terms, 2 missiles means you could take 90% damage off one worm with very little skill. I would also be tempted to have a delay of 2.

1 bananabomb with a delay of 3 - if you have it relatively early in the game it's very easy to just drop the bomb next to someone, easy kill. At least with a delay there is a chance people would've moved about some and you'll have to actually throw it. Personally I'd prefer it if it wasn't in there at all and you had to rely on finding them in crates.

2 mines - lazily dropping a weapon next to someone is dull. Worms should be about skill in aiming "stuff".

1 sheep with a delay of 2 - having it right at beginning makes sending people off the map way too easy.

2 ropes - see point above about having to aim stuff.

0 jetpacks - jetpacks are horrible UNLESS you're playing one of those stoopid maps where it's split horizontally into two.

How do we decide what map-types we play on? Needs to be discussed because from the games I've played online so far people have very different tastes and you could spend ages just trying to get a game started!

[Simm0ns]

Im gonna get pwned in this tourney.

[KONSPIRACY]

I dont think Banana bombs should be default for each player and should be left purely for weapon crates tbh.

[Burning Toast]

Pretty much like most of Munky's & mooses idea, but I would change the following to:

- 30 second turn - stops roping across to pick up health etc
- No Banana Bomb (for reasons Moose & Kon have said)
- 1 of each of the ropes, jet packs, teleport, girders, blow torch

The first 2 ideas i'm not to fussed about, but the last point I think would make for a much more interesting game, no hiding baracading in, but with enough to get out of a tight spot.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

So, what's the update on this? We ready to rock?!

[KONSPIRACY]

Thinking of using standard ranked weapon sets, 1v1v1v1 only, first to 2 rounds.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Thinking of using standard ranked weapon sets, 1v1v1v1 only, first to 2 rounds.

double yay!!! i've played a few 1vs1 recently and they are dull as ditchwater!

oh yeah, whoever said ranked has 5 airstrikes... i think you meant that it has a delay of 5, non?

so what standard set we using Kon? Pro or Ranked?

[KONSPIRACY]

Dont suppose you could be a star n list the differences between ranked n pro please? Too busy pwning at RB6 at the minute! lol :D

I think using custom weapon sets would be a bit pedantic considering the standard weapon sets are fairly decent n would be a lot quicker for hosts to set the games up.

[Burning Toast]

double yay!!! i've played a few 1vs1 recently and they are dull as ditchwater!

That's cause I own your sorry ass:D - ranked or pro works for me, my preference is which ever one has the fewist utilities, shortest move and retreat time. and maps with no ceilings

I don't ask for much honest gov :rolleyes:

edit: also it doesn't take to long to set a custom type up - 2 mins max and hopefully, hopefully most would do this before arranging games (once set up, will always be there)

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Dont suppose you could be a star n list the differences between ranked n pro please?

yeah no worries - i'll post something shortly

[BlueHoopedMoose]

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3682/wormsmf3.th.gif (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wormsmf3.gif)

there you go - no difference between the two, expect turn time and number of rounds. Pro ftw.

[KONSPIRACY]

Cheers mate. :cool:

Havent played it on pro settings yet...how does the number of rounds work? As in...does it end after 3 rounds even if 3 of the 4 players are on 1 each? Obviously we need to have at least first to 2 otherwise it'd be pointless. Could do with it being tested if you got time. ;)

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Cheers mate. :cool:

Havent played it on pro settings yet...how does the number of rounds work? As in...does it end after 3 rounds even if 3 of the 4 players are on 1 each? Obviously we need to have at least first to 2 otherwise it'd be pointless. Could do with it being tested if you got time. ;)

It's first to 2 - so 5 games could be played total.

edit: i'll double check tho' :)

[Lukant]

The Lukantmeister has signed up for this so watch out for my team which consists of DEVVO, BORAT, CALVIN HARRIS and CHRIS MORRIS

[Burning Toast]

When is this event starting? & Rules, I know it been talked about for about 1.5 mths and imagine most have forgotten about this

[KONSPIRACY]

I'll get you a date later today mate. All players registered will be contacted with details once the rules are in place.

[iamlegend]

Heh heh I forgot about this...is it still going ahead ??

[KONSPIRACY]

Sure is mate. The worms n texas hold em tournaments will be put on hold until after the beta has finished but you will all be contacted with full details :cool: