Rainbow 6 Vegas tournament?

[carocat]

With the current Rainbow 6 tournament drawing to a close we would like to hear your thoughts as to what our next Rainbow 6 competition is meant to be.

Do you want a FFA, Survival FFA, Team Sharpshooter, Survival or an objective game mode?

Any thoughts are highly appreciated.

Thanks.

[KONSPIRACY]

...in addition to Cats post, if you have any special requests for rules then please feel free to leave details below :cool:

[UnCaused]

team Survival , Team Sharpshooter , objective game

I think that there should be Team Surivial , Team Sharpshooter , objective game
But it should be all three game types so you would play Survival then Sharpshooter then Objective.
so you would play all 3 game types instad off one game type you would off have a mixer off them.

[Xg Corkin]

Well i would say do a FFA, would be alot of fun and at people who don't have a team would be able to enter.:)

[MAnderson666]

FFA would be good fun. I know you could get a ton of people and if you have it something like the last 5 out of 10 go through.

TW could submit about 30 people to this so getting a ton of people will not be a problem

[carocat]

That sounds good.

Sharpshooter or Survival FFA?

[MAnderson666]

Sharpshooter. Because it is far to easy to just hide in a corner. I will write up something for this and submit it to you cat. See what you say

[Xg Corkin]

Sharpshooter. Because it is far to easy to just hide in a corner. I will write up something for this and submit it to you cat. See what you say

Agreed defintiely Sharpshooter, if it was survival it wouldn't last that long and lots of people would resort to camping.

[MAnderson666]

let me copy and paste a convo I am having with Carocat:

Matt A says:
say 100 people enter
Matt A says:
I am sure it will be more
Matt A says:
10 matches
Matt A says:
with 10 people in each
Matt A says:
the top 5 people from each go through
Matt A says:
that makes 50
Matt A says:
5 games with 10 people in
Matt A says:
*hang on maths working*
Matt A says:
top 4 go through
Matt A says:
with my bad math = 20 left
Matt A says:
2 games of 10 people
Matt A says:
= 10 people for the final
Matt A says:
simple top killer wins
Matt A says:
I believe it needs to be sharpshooter
Matt A says:
20 min FFA sharpshooter
Matt A says:
now I thought it would be a ***** to organise
Matt A says:
but if you have it so that people post in a thread if they can host
Matt A says:
and then put up a suggested time for the match
Matt A says:
people can post back saying wether they can make it or not


What do you think. I am sure that people can be very flexible when they know it is a definate 20 mins. Not like team survival match which can go for an hour or even 5

[carocat]

Well, I very much like the idea of a Sharpshooter FFA and would love to organise it.

Thoughts of what's been said and what I thought:

10 is too much, The average player can only host for 6-8 and I'd prefer to have it around there. 8 players, top 4 to go through.

20 mins sounds good.

Different maps should be set for each round. Any map suggestions?

Weapon restrictions?

Any more ideas/thoughts, please post.



It would also be nice if the clans could tell us how many players they would sign up. :)

[MAnderson666]

I could get 20 people to sign up. Not a problem. If you advertise it they will come. Maybe have like 5 popular maps and have it random for each round. Ya 10 is perhaps too much. Lets get the ball rolling Mr. Carocat

[Bonzo]

Surely there has to be a team tournament aswell?
Team Survival again please, i can't stand Team Sharpshooter because it's a game of "who's going to spawn camp first" the same stands for objective games like Retreval when you have infinate respawns - take out the infinate respawns and you have survival.

[carocat]

It's Miss carocat or Cat, but never mind. ;)

What about Dogs of War, kHz, are you interested?

Bonzo: FFA now, then Teams after?

[KONSPIRACY]

kHz will play in this...our UK players anyways! :D

[Xg Corkin]

Yip would be nice to play in a competition on this and FFA sounds cool but if your going to play FFA you have to pick bigger maps cause other wise you spawn beside someone all the time!

This is kHz HaVoK

[KONSPIRACY]

From my experience, the best maps for 8 player sharpshooter are:

Streets
Kill House
Calypso Casino
Casino Vault

Debateable:

LVU Campus (never been a fan)
Border Town (takes too long to get into action )


The following maps would not be suitable:

Library
Research Labs
Dam
Dantes


If you have any suggestions/recommendations for maps please post below :cool:

[JukkisP]

I'd love to see a tourney that uses MLG's online tournament rules.

http://tournaments.mlgpro.com/tournament/TournamentRules.asp?TournamentId=20

1. No leaving the normal boundaries of a map.
2. No use of the cover system to get on top of, around, or through objects that would otherwise not be possible.
3. No use of the cover system to throw a grenade while hidden.
4. No use of the cover system to shoot while hidden.
5. No going onto the roof or balcony on Library.
6. No carrying the canister onto either roof on Border Town or LVU Campus.

Gametypes & Maps
Retrieval - Border Town (2 Rounds)
Retrieval - Casino Vault (2 Rounds)
Retrieval - Kill House
Retrieval - Library (2 Rounds)
Retrieval - LVU Campus (2 Rounds)
Retrieval - Streets
Team Survival - Casino Vault
Team Survival - Kill House
Team Survival - Library
Team Survival - Streets

Game Type Settings
All Games

1. Item Restrictions = Shotguns - XM-26 LSS
2. Item Restrictions = Explosives - C4
3. Item Restrictions = Gadgets - GPS Device
4. Item Restrictions = Gadgets - Radar Jammer
5. Max Players = 8
6. Round Duration = 10 Minutes
7. Friendly Fire = Yes
8. Punish Team Killers = No
9. Auto Kick Team Killers = No

10. Allow Voice = Everyone

Retrieval
1. Respawns = Yes

[Equinox SMz]

As you all know. My team Is a Survival fan.

Sharpshooter doesnt take skill. Its about running around Like a headless chicken and spraying. Solo Survival would get interest. But i feel a team survival With the same rules.

Teams can then play 5v5 instead of this 4v4. as 5v5 makes a more organised match. Hosting can be split 50 50. Or home team hosts again as long as server is a good standard.


I feel this is a good thing. Kon you have me on msn and i would offer my services as Match Organiser or Official if needed. As i am wanting to get into this sort of thing

Let us know

xbellsx

[KONSPIRACY]

Theres no reason why we cant run multiple RB6 events at the same time...as such I believe another team survival and (single player) sharpshooter would be the best options (single player survival is too short lived for a competition...you could wait weeks for the event to start then it be over n done with in a matter of seconds!).

@ bells - shout me on msn or xbl whenever you see me. :cool:

[xXMFx Massacre]

Team Sharpshooter

[Bonzo]

=Essay Start=;)
Well ive talked about most of this with Cat on MSN, but i though i'd post it here for all to see.

The Rules
I thought the rules such as restrictions and stuff were very fair and shouldn't be changed. Although i believe the "everyone must die on the opposing team for a match to be called a victory" needs to be revised as there was confusion into what the rule meant as you all know.

Hosting
Once again i believe these rules should be set in stone well before the tournament, deciding who will be Host at which part of the tournament - Knockout, final etc.

Can't remember anything alse because Cat kept distracting me via MSN :p If i remember anything else i will edit this post and put it in.

[xXMFx Massacre]

i cant belive what im hearing bonzo saying dont do team sharpshooter....when we played them in the survival tourniement all thay did was camp....so i think i would take the risk of spawn camping over boring camping....bh666........retards.....who wants to camp a 10 minute round......i had stuff to do so we just run up to them but watch team xmf will be back next tourniement and we will kick ass,......mabie a graw 2 and forza tourniement to cum??????

[Bonzo]

i cant believe what im hearing Bonzo saying dont do team sharpshooter....when we played them in the survival tournament all thay did was camp....so i think i would take the risk of spawn camping over boring camping....bh666........retards.....who wants to camp a 10 minute round......i had stuff to do so we just run up to them but watch team xmf will be back next tournament and we will kick ass,......maybe a graw 2 and forza tournament to come?

Wow, no we didn't camp we had tactics but we couldnt use them because you tried to rush us all the time and the tactics we had wouldnt work if you rushed us. Im pretty sure other teams we played against will come to this thread and state that we don't camp. Calling us Retards - what a bad child.

[carocat]

Right kids, on topic, please.

This thread is about the NEXT Matchbox360 Rainbow Six competition.

[EmotionSMz]

Defo do another Team Survival, perhaps 5 v 5 next time?

Also do a FFA for vegas, i could get 10 people easily for that.

[carocat]

Emotion: What rules/format would you suggest for an FFA?

[Xg Corkin]

Team Sharpshooter is just stupid, sitting getting spawn camped or spawn camping the other team is just stupid, it takes no skill at all whereas on the other hand Team Survival takes skill, one kill and your out for the rest of the round. Team Survival and FFA FTW!

[Bonzo]

Team Sharpshooter is just stupid, sitting getting spawn camped or spawn camping the other team is just stupid, it takes no skill at all whereas on the other hand Team Survival takes skill, one kill and your out for the rest of the round. Team Survival and FFA FTW!

I thought i was the only one in here that hated Team Spawncamp. As for XMF Massacre you really need to use the edit button and also use the spell checker. You also need to stop calling people names.
*Calls the Grammar & Punctuation Police*

[carocat]

I agree that Team Sharpshooter isn't great, although I love playing it with friends if it's agreed that no one will spawncamp.

FFA sharpshooter is different though, don't you think?

[Bonzo]

I agree that Team Sharpshooter isn't great, although I love playing it with friends if it's agreed that no one will spawncamp.

FFA sharpshooter is different though, don't you think?

If there's a rule that states no spawn camping, there will more than likely be an arguement between teams about what is spawn camping and what isn't - teams accusing other teams of cheating etc.

[carocat]

Yeah, sorry, I was referrring to what I generally play with my friends. I don't think having a TEAM Sharphooter competition is the way to go.

But, FFA is different, there are enough spawns over the maps.

[Bonzo]

Sorry i didn't read it properly but yeah on FFA there are much more spawns on a map so you don't spawn right next to someone.

[Equinox SMz]

for a FFA Sharpshooter is the way forward.

For team. Always has to be Survival.

Rules. Same as before. This time let the teams know that they must kill everyone. Have Ref's

Could be

Cat
Kon

I would put my name forward to help out the officiating. Reason why i say ref's if there is any arguements. Then you can get a ref in to get a decision.

Its a system Gamebattles uses.

[carocat]

As by ref you mean people that are online and go into the rooms, instead of sorting it out on the forums afterwards?

[Equinox SMz]

As by ref you mean people that are online and go into the rooms, instead of sorting it out on the forums afterwards?

Indeed cat.

[Sukk4]

I'd love to see a tourney that uses MLG's online tournament rules.

Yep yep. MLG rules would be best.

[WalX]

I think team survival, team sharpshooter or solo sharpshooter are your best options. As for maps i think they are all good.

happy gaming

[KONSPIRACY]

I didnt think MLG rules were to popular on here:

http://community.matchbox360.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1048

Would be hard/impossible to implement half those rules without video evidence online tbh...may be adopt a few of them but certainly could cause a lot of arguments.

[carocat]

Well, I do like the time/limited lives rules and I'm sure that we'll implement that to a degree. Matchbox360 uses MLG rules for a lot of games we feature I believe, but we customise them slightly.

As for Gametypes I am confused: So many people tell me we should only ever do Team Survival, that that's 'the only' gametype there is, then others tell me of Sharpshooter and objective games.... How come MLG doesn't feature Team survival if it is indeed 'the only' gametype to play?

[Spiggy]

It has to be Team Survival all the way as far as I'm concerned, it's far and away the best way (and only in my opinion) to play Rainbow. A Team Sharp Shooter tournament would just be a competition to see which team can set up camp in the other teams spawn the quickest.

As for objective games, nah not for me unless played with no respawns which in turn makes it Survival in all but name:)

[Retro]

What spiggy has said is word. In my eys and many others eyes the most exciting gametype. SS is gay in these types of games, suits games like halo down to the grond but not RB.

And MLG probably didnt use TS becasue more people play sharpshooter.

[KONSPIRACY]

After another few hours of spawn killing last night I finally had enough (read: got bored of winning with no challenge) and made my friends play Team Survival. A few games in n they were moanin and saying that survival isnt "fun" and that they wanna play sharpshooter and started comparing it team slayer on halo2. I tried to explain to them that it doesnt take much skill to spawn kill your opponents repeatedly but they were having none of it and insisted that its down to the other team to stop gettin spawn killed.

What do you say to narrow minded opinions like that?!

[sub]

After another few hours of spawn killing last night I finally had enough (read: got bored of winning with no challenge) and made my friends play Team Survival. A few games in n they were moanin and saying that survival isnt "fun" and that they wanna play sharpshooter and started comparing it team slayer on halo2. I tried to explain to them that it doesnt take much skill to spawn kill your opponents repeatedly but they were having none of it and insisted that its down to the other team to stop gettin spawn killed.

What do you say to narrow minded opinions like that?!

I usually am stuck playing Team Sharpshooter as well, much prefer survival but when you are playing with 9 other folk the majority rules :(

[Sukk4]

U should try retrieval. There isn't that much spawn camping.

[Hamma 2k6]

defo do another team survival. could do an objective game aswell. referees are a must though. not having one did not affect our game against carocats team, but there seems like there was alot of misunderstandings in a few games!

[Bonzo]

To decide which game type will be played in the next tournament why not create a poll?

[KONSPIRACY]

Only problem with providing referees for every game is staff availability tbh. Only way to do it would be like the PGR3 League with a set time and date as we cant be expected to be available 24-7 or whenever you guys have arranged your matches. Obviously most the staff work and have ltd freetime available as it is. Please remember we're just gamers with normal lives like you guys...and we dont get paid for this! lol :D

[IxKennyx360xI]

I think that retrieval is the most effeiceint game type on RB6, as there is no camping, gets you straight into the game and there are rarely draws, so there is a victor each round

[WalX]

why not play a bit of retrieval and a bit of team sharpshooter?

[KONSPIRACY]

The most competitive team gametype on RB6 is Survival.

Sharpshooter is good fun with your friends but basically results in too much spawn camping on most maps. Retrieval...again its good fun at times, but wouldnt consider it very competitive.

If there is much demand for either of these gametypes then they will be considered so feel free to open a poll to drum up some interest.

Have you and your friends registered for the Sharpshooter tournament btw?