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carocat
08-01-2007, 06:08 PM
[quote]It's the snarl that gives the game away. It's the sobbing and the shrieking and the horrible pleading -- that's how you know your children are undergoing a sudden narcotic withdrawal. As the strobing colours die away and the screen goes black, you listen to the wail of protest from the offspring and you know that you have just turned off their drug, and you know that, to a greater or lesser extent, they are addicts.

Some children have it bad. Some are miraculously unaffected. But millions of seven- to 15-year-olds are hooked, especially boys, and it is time someone had the guts to stand up, cross the room and just say no to Nintendo. It is time to garrotte the Game Boy and paralyse the PlayStation, and it is about time, as a society, that we admitted the catastrophic effect these blasted gizmos are having on the literacy and the prospects of young males.

It was among the first acts of the Labour Government to institute a universal "literacy" hour in primary schools; and yet, in the six years following 1997, the numbers of young children who said that they didn't like reading rose from 23 per cent to 35 per cent. In spite of all our cash and effort, the surveys increasingly show that children (especially boys) regard reading as a chore, something that needs to be accomplished for the sake of passing tests, not as a joy in itself. It is a disaster, and I refuse to believe that these hypnotic little machines are innocent.

We demand that teachers provide our children with reading skills; we expect the schools to fill them with a love of books; and yet at home we let them slump in front of the consoles. We get on with our hedonistic 21st-century lives while in some other room the nippers are bleeping and zapping in speechless rapture, their passive faces washed in explosions and gore. They sit for so long that their souls seem to have been sucked down the cathode ray tube.

They become like blinking lizards, motionless, absorbed, only the twitching of their hands showing they are still conscious. These machines teach them nothing. They stimulate no ratiocination, discovery or feat of memory -- though some of them may cunningly pretend to be educational. I have just watched an 11-year-old play a game that looked fairly historical, on the packet. Your average guilt-ridden parent might assume that it taught the child something about the Vikings and medieval siege warfare.

Phooey! The red soldiers robotically slaughtered the white soldiers, and then they did it again, that was it. Everything was programmed, spoon-fed, immediate -- and endlessly showering the player with undeserved praise, richly congratulating him for his bogus massacres. The more addictive these games are to the male mind, the more difficult it is to persuade boys to read books; and that is why it is no comfort that Britain has more computer games per household than any other EU country, and, even though they are wince-makingly expensive, an amazing 89 per cent of British households with children now boast a games console, with distribution right across the socio-economic groups.

Every child must have one, and what we fail to grasp is that these possessions are not so much an index of wealth as a cause of ignorance and underachievement and, yes, poverty. It hardly matters how much cash we pour into reading in schools if there is no culture of reading at home; and the consequences of this failure to read can be seen throughout the education system.

Huge numbers are still leaving primary school in a state of functional illiteracy, with 44 per cent unable either to read, write or do basic sums. By the age of 14, there are still 40 per cent whose literacy or numeracy is not up to the expected standard, and a large proportion of the effort at Further Education colleges (about 20 per cent) is devoted to remedial reading and writing. Even at university, there are now terrifying numbers of students who cannot express themselves in the kind of clear, logical English required for an essay, and in many important respects if you can't write, you can't think. The Royal Literary Fund has, in the past few years, done a wonderful job of establishing Writing Fellows at our universities, offering therapy for those who can't put their thoughts on paper; and yet the fund admits that the scale of the problem is quite beyond its abilities.

It is a shock, arriving at university, and being asked to compose an essay of a couple of thousand words, and then discovering that you can't do it; and this demoralisation is a major cause of dropping-out. It's not that the students lack the brains; the raw circuitry is better than ever. It's the software that's the problem. They have not been properly programmed, because they have not read enough. The only way to learn to write is to be forced time and again to articulate your own thoughts in your own words, and you haven't a hope of doing this if you haven't read enough to absorb the basic elements of vocabulary, grammar, rhythm, style and structure; and young males in particular won't read enough if we continually capitulate and let them fritter their lives away in front of these drivelling machines.

Gordon Brown proposed in his Pre-Budget Report to spend

Retro
08-01-2007, 06:20 PM
Omg how about they blame it on the crap english teachers we are feed each year who dont turn up to lessons because they have had one two many fags DURING LUNCH BREAK and have ended up with a heart attack in hospital leaving half the year 11's GSCE classes with a subbed teachers who's only concern is the large amount of papers she has to mark for her other shitty subject!

I have learnt more from commputer games then i ever did at school. The real word should stop passing kids of as some kind of pets who have no say what so ever in the subjet of anything

kurosaki7
08-01-2007, 06:22 PM
Another person trying to make headlines by talking about rubbish. People become illiterate through many other forms, perhaps he should suggest the major one and ban texting. Alot of games supply people with knowledge encourage the person to think and constantly test them. Complex storylines and even advanced vocab in some games help advance a person not making them illiterate.

Fair enough if someone is not going to do any other form of learning and sit doing crap all but play games all day, then it may become an issue.

The best part is when he compares games to books. I find most books alot moe fun to read than games are to play. Admittedly he is striking some issues of bad parenting in which they are not bothered what the child is doing as long as they are not being annoying. Still it does not warrant alot of that and thwese days epople are doing just about anything to get noticed.

He also notes games that reward for massacre and does not touch any other games. A person who is basing a view off one small experince and neglecting to see how many games require you to think through a problem, such as a tough puzzle.

All in all this guy is a joke as he has not got a terribly strong basis for his views however he does address some slight facts that are being brought into modern day parenting.

gradinator
08-01-2007, 06:29 PM
We all know to a degree it's true, reading is out video games are in. Thing is most gamers also frequent the internet reading and writing...

If you ask me msn/texting is what's really killing numaracy rates. Zelda for example didn't even have voice overs, I must have red a good 90 pages of litrature just getting through it.

Ironically this post will have spelling mistakes... I blame the gov.

Gaskin
08-01-2007, 06:29 PM
I don't think it makes people illiterate, but it does reduce high exam results imo.

Tob3z
08-01-2007, 06:56 PM
Maybe if parents got off there ass themselves and were a part of there kids lives then they wouldn't be illiterate. Once again people manage to point the finger somewhere else instead of the people who brought the child into the word.

BTW I had a life when I was a kid and went out on played in fields, rode my bike and bladed often. If I had a kid <15 years old sit and play games 24/7 I wouldn't allow it. That age is a age for trying to cram as much education you can into them and make it fun at the same time.

It's getting tiring now. Sadly gamers are too lazy to protest about it. Unless anyone wants to join me. I could whip up a site and we could meet up with Gov and slap them :p

carocat
08-01-2007, 07:00 PM
Slight deja-vu there....

Anyway, the guy is a nutter. I just read some more stuff by him and he's just completely out of it.

Nevertheless, there are always going to be little Timmys parents reading that, getting shocked and then campaigning against it. 'Mums against....' are the worst thing you can think of. Look what they did to Germany. ;)

Razor
08-01-2007, 07:04 PM
http://images.scotsman.com/2006/01/28/en2801borb.jpg

Would any sane parents listen to such an attrocity as that

Gaskin
08-01-2007, 07:33 PM
I showed my Dad and he said it was utter tripe.

MrKennedy360
08-01-2007, 08:23 PM
Boris Johnson is an idiot. Did anybody see that episode of Have I Got News For You when he was the special guest host? He was so stupid on it I was actually surprised that this guy is an MP.

Zyber
09-01-2007, 12:45 AM
Yea i saw this a few days ago, I really don't understand how we can elect people so dumb. Wait....George W. Bush, no i guess we're not the stupididest nation in the world. ;)

gradinator
09-01-2007, 12:50 AM
http://images.scotsman.com/2006/01/28/en2801borb.jpg

Would any sane parents listen to such an attrocity as that

Someone had to post a pic of how mad he looked but the messy eating just added a brilliance to this thread that can not be undone.

:D

KONSPIRACY
09-01-2007, 03:34 AM
The most amusing thing about that article is that he fails to draw any evidence that links gaming to illiteracy...sure the article is full of facts n figures that will draw most of the inherently stupid adult population tio believing every word he says, but its complete void of all creditibility whatsoever. He will quite writely get ripped apart for this as its a blatant attempt to make a few headlines n boost his pathetic public profile.

May be one of the younger members on the forum could write an eloquent reply on his website n forward it some of the national newspapers.

kHz Glitch
09-01-2007, 04:39 AM
arg.... i play games and me dont think any illiteracy has happend to mez

indiglojo
09-01-2007, 12:21 PM
Another load of sensationalist nonsense, my 10 year old plays for hours on his consoles everyday, he had tests last term & he's got a reading age of 12 years & 7 months & a spelling age of 13 years & 11 months.... illiterate my arse!

Maybe he should be spending his time considering the effects on kids of their fathers playing away from home, & the gory details being all over the front of the papers before he starts moralising on other peoples parenting ;)

Tugsy
09-01-2007, 01:50 PM
Another load of sensationalist nonsense, my 10 year old plays for hours on his consoles everyday, he had tests last term & he's got a reading age of 12 years & 7 months & a spelling age of 13 years & 11 months.... illiterate my arse!


Jay's a talented lad. :p

DayC
09-01-2007, 02:02 PM
Bollocks to Boris Johnson.

BlueHoopedMoose
09-01-2007, 02:27 PM
Jay's a talented lad. :p

:D :D :D :D

bal
09-01-2007, 04:52 PM
Most MPs are idiots who get into power by touching on trivial local issues.

May be one of the younger members on the forum could write an eloquent reply on his website n forward it some of the national newspapers.

someone do this.

Gaskin
09-01-2007, 05:29 PM
He has a website?

carocat
09-01-2007, 05:32 PM
Yes, he has.

The amazing and informative and just plainly best website in the world - Boris Johnson's website (http://www.boris-johnson.com/)

Gaskin
09-01-2007, 05:34 PM
*Daniel starts to write a reply ;)*

KONSPIRACY
09-01-2007, 09:56 PM
Maybe he should be spending his time considering the effects on kids of their fathers playing away from home, & the gory details being all over the front of the papers before he starts moralising on other peoples parenting ;)
Quality! :D

quickshot89
10-01-2007, 10:26 PM
Maybe he should be spending his time considering the effects on kids of their fathers playing away from home, & the gory details being all over the front of the papers before he starts moralising on other peoples parenting ;)

would explain me :D not really, but having a younger sister who took up most of my aprents time didnt help at all, which would explain why girls have better results in some subjects

ScK ReVeNgE
10-01-2007, 10:53 PM
Yes, he has.

The amazing and informative and just plainly best website in the world - Boris Johnson's website (http://www.boris-johnson.com/)

Why does he post a picture on his own website of him looking like a prat? :confused:

And the only reason he is doing this is to get more publicity, be honest when was the last time anyone has heard of him doing something of note, except rugby tackling some dude in a celebrity football match? He just thinks that someone needs to be blamed for floundering exam results and he's decided its the games industry just because no one is going to stand up and defend it. If we ever see a Government Minister for the Games Industry (it might happen) then something else stupid like listening to music will be the new focal point. Boris Johnson = Idiot

Razor
11-01-2007, 06:51 AM
Why does he post a picture on his own website of him looking like a prat? :confused:


I do believe it is because he is indeed a prat.
Possible the leader of all prats making him a prat above all other levels of pratiness :)

ScK ReVeNgE
11-01-2007, 04:42 PM
I've just heard that Sony are bringing out a version of Buzz with Key Stage 2 questions or sumfin like that on it so maybe he will shut up now.

Pyronox
11-01-2007, 06:36 PM
http://www.boris-johnson.com/forum/

carocat
11-01-2007, 06:40 PM
He's using Vanilla! :eek:

Nice one, Pyronox.

Edit: So I've signed up and recognised two people that I know from other online forums...

Anyways, I think we should all post on there or work on a reply together. Suggestions on how to start the thread?

Razor
12-01-2007, 06:06 PM
Suggestions on how to start the thread?

I think this would do teh job nicely


Hi Boris

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/826/shut20the20****20upvp4.jpg


From the good folks of matchbox 360

xxx

gradinator
12-01-2007, 06:18 PM
I don't think Boris posts on his forums.

carocat
13-01-2007, 01:06 AM
I don't think Boris posts on his forums.
No, but he has many people that pass t on to him. One of the guys posting there is his advisor.

BIG D 04
13-01-2007, 12:36 PM
I personally don't care what MPs have to say about what you should or shouldn't be doing at home or at work. As they often say to cover up their Sex Scandals..."Politicians deserve a Private Life"

Wicked_Slim_Shady
20-01-2007, 04:36 PM
These politicians DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GAMING!!!!!

It is total and utter bollocks when they say things like this!!!!!

And that parents (like myself) are at fault for letting their children to play videogames in the first place.

My 2 kids are very intelligent for their age, and (in some ways) partly due to them playing videogames.

It teaches memory, hand-to-eye co-ordination & determination, amongst other things.

So if you ever meet a politicain who hates video games, ask him (or her) if they've ever played one.

If it were up to the many governments around the world, all videogames would be banned.

Liam
20-01-2007, 05:53 PM
Whats with Boris' wiggy, straw like, zany, extreme, trying to fly away from his head hair anyways? :|

IcemanLeigh
21-01-2007, 01:36 PM
They have not been properly programmed, because they have not read enough. The only way to learn to write is to be forced time and again to articulate your own thoughts in your own words, and you haven't a hope of doing this if you haven't read enough to absorb the basic elements of vocabulary, grammar, rhythm, style and structure; and young males in particular won't read enough if we continually capitulate and let them fritter their lives away in front of these drivelling machines.

Well if this is true, then members who know me must be thinking that i have read alot of books. Surely, since i have pretty good grammar i must have 'read enough to absorb the basic elements of vocabulary.'

So then, lets have a guess, how many books do we think Leigh has read from cover to cover?50+? 20+?

Here is a fact which may shock you all, especilly it seems, Boris. I have only ever read one book in its entirety. Just one. Danny the champion of the world to be precise. Personally i just dont enjoy it, its simple personal choice, and yet here i am doing a degree ar university, and getting top marks for my essays. But Boris here has decided that this must be impossible, there are no other ways to learn how to be literate other than reading books.

Personally i think we should post links on Boris's website to some fan fiction and game walkthroughs. People dont read books, but instead almost write their own about their favourite videogame. Thats not just reading, that is encouraging creative skills also Mr Johnson.

The whole article is a shameless attempt to provide the media and parents with a scapegoat for illiteracy instead of addressing the real issues. It is completely shaped around providing parents with a feeling of 'he is right you know' by presenting them with situations that have happened to them. What parent hasnt ever turned off a console to a chorus of complaints, shouting, and the odd swearword or two.

Maybe he should stick to insulting Liverpool and leave the rest of the world be.

bal
21-01-2007, 06:50 PM
If it were up to the many governments around the world, all videogames would be banned.

Well... it is up to many governments.