PES6 League Discussion

[KONSPIRACY]

The MatchBox360 PES6 League will be opening for registration within the next week! :D

As always, we value your input so if you have any suggestions or requests over format, team selection, or rules then have your say now. We will all consider all reasonable suggestions and do our best to implement as many of your ideas where possible.

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[Xg Corkin]

Yessssssssssssssssss. Please make it random teams so everybody doesn't choose Inter Milan.

[Menace Red3]

random teams ftw :) cant wait for this.

[TURTLE ZED]

Would be far more interesting if we all had a different team than each other, so its more like a real league, and it'd stop everyone going Inter Milan, Arsenal and Man Utd.

[NeoKubrick]

It should be the same as the Matchbox Champions League tournament: pick any club team you want. Dibs on Arsenal if each player has to have a different team. ;)

[Burning Toast]

Yessssssssssssssssss. Please make it random teams so everybody doesn't choose Inter Milan.

random teams ftw cant wait for this.

I'll 3rd that, could do a swapping service if people aren't happy with the teams they've been alocated.

Would suggest random condition as well, always thinks it works it's self out in the end, especially in a league format.

[Hursti]

Count me in...But what i say is...we should do like the English League, where every player gets a team from the premiership randomly and has to stick with them, the only problem is, the people who gets teams like watford are likely not to play, but i dont mind :D.

But if i get watford now, I'll know somethings going on lol

I also agree with random conditions to make it more realistic like in proper leagues, even the best players have bad spells.

[KONSPIRACY]

Well you hit the nail on the head with the problems with random teams. Its not so bad in a cup format where you wanna see how far you can push your rubbish team, but after a few defeats in a league you WILL see players drop out.

I have a suggestion...

How about players are allocated teams using the seedings from the Champions League and XL, whereby the best teams are given to the lowest ranked players?

[Hursti]

Why didn't you suggest that before, i wouldn't have done as well in the cup lol...Na, it sounds like a good idea really, makes the better players show their skills with lower class teams.

[OB1theGeordie]

I only play as chelsea cos i can quickly tweak the formation to one i like.

I dont really care what gets done but maybe the higher seeds get the lesser teams. Still a bit unfair.

TBH if someone has a problem with coming up against inter, its simple. Just be inter yourself.

I'n not chewed, i got beat by a guy who used them in the champ league and if it happens again than so be it.

Maybe we could all be inter, end of argument. :D

[KONSPIRACY]

IMO the result of the league should demonstrate the best player not the best team.

As such, would it be too much to ask players to show common sense n use similar skilled teams...whether it be Inter or Reading? (ie home team sets the skill setting n away team has to choose an appropriate team).

Your thoughts?

[TURTLE ZED]

Well I think KONSPIRACY’s idea of using league members ranking from the Champions League is a great way to decide who should pick first. It just makes sense, that the best players who finished in the top 8 pick their teams last, so that way with the best players not getting the best teams, the league will be more balanced throughout the season.

As for the common sense approach, no disrespect to anyone, but from my experience, that just wouldnt work. A few players have a win at all costs attitude, so even though their extremely good players, they still like to use their favourite good team.

I just think a league full of different teams, with some spare teams as well which we could use in the transfer window. I mean, there’s teams like Lyon who are not great, but in the hands of a great player he could easily take them to the top of the league.

It just has to be random teams, all different, how we pick them I’m not sure but as mentioned the Champs League seedings seems good, and then a transfer window which we could possibly have at the start of the season. So if you get drawn a team you dont like, you can still transfer before the season starts.

Still can’t wait for this to start up!!

[Menace Red3]

yeah i think the seedings thing should work well because if your a better player then u could put up a gd chance even if you have a crap team. When i played in a World Cup tourny on the Goodboys Forums every1 picked like england, italy and brazil. I thought lets see how i could do with greece :D and they suck so bad haha but i won 3 drew 3 and lost 4 so overall mid table wasnt bad plus its more fun if you use a crap team against a gd team cause if u win its amazing ;) and i beat a person who was england 4-0 and i was loving it haha.

[KONSPIRACY]

Ok, I think we'll go with lowest ranked players have first choice over teams.

Would you like teams restricted to premiership clubs, europe clubs or worldwide clubs? (I dont think International would be a good option tbh).

I'm also thinking about a card system whereby no shows or inactive players receive a yellow card...2 yellow cards = 3pts deducted. Red card = removed from competition.

Any other suggestions or requests?

[Xg Corkin]

European Clubs, and if somebody didn't turn up for the Champions League and try to joint this don't let them becuase it is more than likely they won't turn up for this.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Ok, I think we'll go with lowest ranked players have first choice over teams.

What about people who didn't play in either event? How will they be ranked?

As some of you may know this is a bug-bear of mine, and I'd love to see it get sorted. Seedings is certainly a way to go!

[Chet Webley]

As some of you may know this is a bug-bear of mine

ANOTHER ONE!!? you'll have to be building them a special enclosure in the garden at this rate! :p

[KONSPIRACY]

Non-seeded teams could be allocated a league of their own with suitable promotion to appropriate divisions thereafter. I'm thinking divisions of 16 players so duplication of teams wont be a problem.

[TURTLE ZED]

Good decision with the lowest ranked players pick first, at the end of the day it probably wont be the end of the world if your unhappy with your club because we could have a transfer window.

Team wise, all of the top European teams should be included, and then the next bunch should be your middle of the road Eurpean teams, and I reckon that’d be enough to fill a couple of leagues. 16 players per league sounds about right as well, so how many players have show interest so far?

Cards for unreliable players would be great, and would definately sort out the time wasters from the serious players. And personally anyone with a history of unreliability, or who were just a mare to get hold of in the Champions League shouldnt be allowed.

So for me, this all sounds really good and exciting, only other things I can think of are:
A transfer window - which would be open just before the season started where a list of unused teams could be swapped or the ability to swap with another player.

Then the transfer window would run every mid-season, and end of season from that point.

A leading scorers list, if players were all keen to keep note of their goal scorers every match and list in match reports.

A Manager of the Month Award. Maybe a little badge/logo could be designed, just to give that manager recognition of his good performance that month.

And of course, end of season relegation and promotion play-offs for the players who are just below the top, and players who just escaped automatic promotion.

A FA Cup, for all league members to play in using their club teams.

A Champions League, again for league members who qualified for it (say to 4-6 from both Div’s), using their club teams.

[Hursti]

And of course, end of season relegation and promotion play-offs for the players who are just below the top, and players who just escaped automatic promotion.



You see, this is a good idea, but this way, their is a very high risk of teams being duplicated, eg. someone using inter in the lower division getting promoted and there already being an inter in the top league. Dont know how we're gonna get around that...unless we change teams after every time we finish one league.

[QUOTE=TURTLE ZED;13050]
A FA Cup, for all league members to play in using their club teams.

A Champions League, again for league members who qualified for it (say to 4-6 from both Div

[TURTLE ZED]

When I mentioned about promotion and relegation etc, I still expected all division to have different teams and not say Inter in Div 1 and Inter in Div 2 - ooohhh no way!! All different teams throughout the whole league.

FA Cup’s and Champions League’s arent that hard to organise, every other league I”m in do them. We know who will be our reliable league members, we will all know our teams, its just a case of organising some extra fixtures. It definately give’s high flyers in the Divisions something to aim for, I mean if mathematically you can’t get top spot, to aim for a Champions League Spot is satisfying enough. And the same with the FA Cup, there’s nothing like a lower league member pulling off a good cup run knocking out Premiership (or Div 1) players. Its what the cups all about!

[IcemanLeigh]

I am happy to go with the masses on this one. A League with assigned teams will be great fun, especially for the really keen players.

One suggestion i would make though, is that having this league is all well and good, and great fun, but with the player who wins the champions leauge getting last pick of a team, they arnt going to have the best chance of winning the league *Obviously the point of the whole thing*

So maybe side competitions, cups, knockouts, where players can choose any team they like. You will probably end up surprised and see alot of players sticking with the teams that they have gotten used to, but this just adds a more competative element, as we here at Matchbox360 like to not only provide fun tournaments to enter, but also competative tournaments, where the winner can really claim that they beat the best, and the best have no excuses that they were assigned a low club or whatever..


As far as team selecting goes i think that we have it sorted for the first time, but i think that the teams should be assigned, and picked everytime we start a new season, to stop new players turning up and being very good but able to pick whoever they want... and players that did not have such a great champions league..

Even though that would solve the problem of duplication, a few ideas which you guys might want to mull over. Would you prefer it if it was set to 1. Each league of 16 can have any teams across europe. 2. Every season the league changes, for example first season would be premiership, second season everyone then gets a la liga team etc. Or 3. The top division is always set to being the premiership, the second division is always set to being la liga, third always set to bundesliga.. etc. Although with option 3, players might deliberatly shape their results to get into the league they want..

[Hursti]

Even though that would solve the problem of duplication, a few ideas which you guys might want to mull over. Would you prefer it if it was set to 1. Each league of 16 can have any teams across europe. 2. Every season the league changes, for example first season would be premiership, second season everyone then gets a la liga team etc. Or 3. The top division is always set to being the premiership, the second division is always set to being la liga, third always set to bundesliga.. etc. Although with option 3, players might deliberatly shape their results to get into the league they want..

Well i think option 3 is the best, but like you said people might fix to get in whatever league they want...therfore, why dont we do like one league with premiership teams, the next season do La liga the change again next season, that way, each season it changes and people cant fix it to go to whatever league they want.

I'm only one person and am very hapy to go with what the majority wants and if they dont want this, we wont do it. Its that simple but either way, as long as im in the league...im happy :)

[TURTLE ZED]

Not to keen on the bundesliga though, surely the main 3 leagues we should use, should be the English, Italian and the Spanish leagues. No disrespect to anyone from Germany, but they havent got as many decent teams as the other three countries have - anyone agree?

[IcemanLeigh]

Yea turtle i just picked the first 3 leagues that came into my head ;) One of which happened to be the bundesliga..

[NeoKubrick]

I don't understand the seeding system proposed? It punishes the good players and rewards the bad, which is in contradiction to the concept of establishing a seeding system. Since any hierarchy is based upon there being more at the bottom than at the top, of course this system will be agreed by the majority when it gives them all a better chance of winning the league. If that is the case, then why not split the participants in two (or three divisions) to satisfy those individuals?

The top players (say the top eight, or higher depending on the amount participating in the league, in the Champions League) are in the top division, where any club team can be picked, and where people are not concerned with limiting a player with the burden of a mediocre team just to stand a chance of beating the player.

The other players have a division with the same rules as the top division; it would mean that these players stand a chance of winning something, which is the aim of limiting good players with bad teams.

New players could have a third division; so that they would have to put effort into the league to rise through the divisions, but happy to do so if they're winning the division.


Let people choose which team they want, and let the best players rise to the top, not the players who had the benefit of picking one of the best teams at the start.

[Hursti]

I don't understand the seeding system proposed? It punishes the good players and rewards the bad, which is in contradiction to the concept of establishing a seeding system. Since any hierarchy is based upon there being more at the bottom than at the top, of course this system will be agreed by the majority when it gives them all a better chance of winning the league. If that is the case, then why not split the participants in two (or three divisions) to satisfy those individuals?



Its to make the league closer and better games, i know id rather play a match where i just edge out my opponent by one goal or so, than beat them by like 7 goals...its just more fun in my eyes.

[KONSPIRACY]

If divisions are limited to 8 players then it wont be such a problem.

The simple reason behind the top players receiving lower ranked teams is basically because of ppl being bored of playing the same teams (ie duplication). I cant actually think of a fairer way of avoiding duplicate teams, so any reasonable suggestions are welcome.

Obviously we could drop the whole idea of duplicate teams and allow everyone to play with whoever they wish...but is that what you really want for a league?

[Hursti]

No way, a leaugue with like 4 inters, 4 chelsea's doesnt sound good to me...team duplication sucks and a range of teams would be better imo.

[Gaskin]

I'd prefer it just being one league, ie Premiership. I wouldn't care what team I was because even if you're not topping the table with a club like west ham you'll still be showing how good you are with results. Like when we did the random world cup draw and I was morocco, I still managed to get to the qaurters I think and lost to JodaHunter (Portugal) and he said it was the hardest match he'd played in the tournament. Then after maybe we could go onto doing some leagues with personal selection and you don't have to stay as the same side through out.. (or you could stay as the same team, either way I don't mind) like a ladder. I don't mind which way this goes as I'll show how good I am whether I'm Arsenal or Watford.. bring it on.

[TURTLE ZED]

Nor me, different teams, with obviously the best players picking last. Its common sense that this solution would give us a more even playing field.

And if anyone doubts whether this would work, we are currently using this system in another league I

[Hursti]

Definately, i mean a good team in the hands of an average player is alright, but a good team in the hands of an excellent player is a bit much and not much competition.

[NeoKubrick]

Surely putting the likes of Arsenal in the hands of the best players, well we already know they’ll win the league, so whats the point of a league.

Which is why I suggested a top division for the best players. Other players could have a competitive league with themselves; whereas the "best" players could battle it out with themselves. Players get progressively better with practice; so, these average players with good teams will logically become good players with good teams. Thus out-weighing the odds.


As an aside, I'm not claiming that I'm one of the best, or that I'm a good player (I'm average); I would like to compete with the best with the best teams, and progressing to the Semi-Final has at least earned me the right to try to compete with the best.

[Xg Corkin]

It should just be one league with the worse players picking first then the better players picking last. So therefore alot closer games and it means the people who aren't that good will still have a chance.

[KONSPIRACY]

I expect at least 40 registrations for this so there will be at least 2 divisions.

[heyburt]

or how about no one plays as a top team and you pick 4 mediocre teams from each league to allocate..

I.e

Spurs
Blackburn
Newcastle
Middlesboro

Villareal
Real Betis
Sevilla
Valencia

Fiorentina
Roma
Lazio
Parma

Lyon
Marseille
PSG

Ajax
PSV

Celtic
Rangers
Porto
Lisbon

just some of the balanced teams?

[Hursti]

Because wouldn't that mean having more than one of the same team in the league? its a good idea but...why only have mediocre teams from each league...wouldn't it also be the same if everyone chose one of the top four teams from each league?

[TURTLE ZED]

Certainly dont agree with putting all the best players in one league with the best teams. That just seems to go against the whole point of having a league.

A league should be a mix of players with mixed abilities and mixed teams, but initially known good players shouldn’t get the mits on the best teams otherwise the league will be unbalanced.

Promotion and relegation will sort the leagues out after time, but initially Konspiracy’s idea of choosing teams based on the ranking of what happened in the champions league would definately be the fairest way to decide who picks what teams.

This idea thats been suggested of putting the best players in one league with the best teams is just so pointless as no-one will be able to break into that Divsion and compete. A league should be a place where it is possible for you to compete with the better players and fight for the title in any division in my opinion.

[Burning Toast]

I agree, mixed teams with mixed abilities is surely the way forward, good players can only be judged on their playing abilities rather than how good the team they use, also poor player can only get better playing against a varied bunch / better players.

No blowing my own trumpet, but I used Reading in the Champ League and although I didn't actually win a game I only lost by 1 goal in 4 of the games and with a little bit of luck could have won some, and I'm not that good, but used the team well, so think that good ability should shine through.

I also think that having more leagues would be better, therefore more promotions / relegation and then different challenges. I don't think there should be more than 1 of each team used.

Also the team swapping idea is good, but needs to be monitored to make sure there no foul play going on, i.e. I (rubbish) pick the best team available, then swap it with my mate who's good, defeating the point of seeding etc (hope that clear - as mud!!)

Also (but not 100% positive) if random settings are used the computer actually balances out the team slightly by putting 'reds' on the starting line up of the weaker teams and 'blues' on the better teams, or that’s what I have found.

[TURTLE ZED]

Agree with everything you said there Toast!! And I get the general feeling most people agree.

In one of the leagues I’m in, I’ve been relegated two season running, but now I’ve been given a new team Chievo - I thought who on earth are Chievo. Anyway, checked them out and found their right down the bottom of Seria A in real life. I thought oh no!! But I couldnt get relegated anymore as I’m in the bottom league. But surprise surprise, Chievo suit my style of play, fast and attacking, and now I’m top of the league with victory’s over the like of Barca and Liverpool who in my eyes are far better teams. But thats what a leagues all about, a rubbish player getting an average team, but they suit their style and going on a good run and beating better players and better teams.

I mean, why should just the good players have their own league with the best teams. I’m sorry, but I want to have a go a the best about, and if I fail, then fair enough I get relegated, but at least I could try to compete.

Anyway this will run and run, so I’ll stop here, as I reckon I’ve made my thoughts clear on how a league should be started and teams should be picked, and most people seem to be coming from the same direction. Just can’t wait for it to start now.

[Xg Corkin]

Teams picked, are you kidding mean, it just means that the whole tournement will be filled with Inter Milan, Arsenal and Bacelona. Im guessing you use one of them?

[IcemanLeigh]

Ok, I think alot of people are very strongly opinionated on this and not wanting to necessarily listen to others veiws.

It is basically the old age arguement, Fun competition vs Competative competition.

- The fun competition is great fun, every has a good laugh, and most get competative, but the best player doesnt necessarily win.
- Competative tournaments get a bit serious, everyone uses the best teams, or they think they are best with in an attempt to win. The player who plays best (minus the few expected upsets) wins.

I understand where Neo is coming from. He doesnt want to get bogged down with a team like Watford because he did well in a previous tournament. But what Neo needs to realise is that this would be a fun competition, and you proving youself to do well with one of these teams would actually reflect better on you that doing well in the championsleague using Inter..

This is why i suggest we run 3 initial competitions. (Not starting at the same time, dont panic Kon ;) )
1. A league, with a few divisions, no duplicated teams, players who performed best in the champions league pick last. A fun league, everyone has a good time, and we all get relief from trying to stop Adriano and Imbarhimovic EVERY game.
2. A league cup. A cup using the teams you use in the league. A fun cup, relates to the league.
3. A champions league/World cup/Euro's. A competative tournament that is run every now and then. Players can choose any team they like and the best players can battle it out using their favourite teams. Players get to porve themselves using the teams they think reflect their best play, and we all expect Adraino, Ronaldo, Rooney, Henry and Shevchenko to play every game..

[OB1theGeordie]

Hursti, i never said i was good. Hence i prefer to play with me tried and tested formations.

I reckon someone good could really suffer with a crud team. Players getting muscled off the ball left right and centre.

Ther's no easy way around it though gents. I'll go with the majority on this one.

Or... this system... here me out now. Premier league, use current standings, whoever picks watford has to have a pint before there match.

Pick man utd and you have to have twenty pints prior to the match.

Your thoughts please

[Gaskin]

lol, don't think that gives out a very good message to the children. =P

But after this league (if we go with the highest players getting last choice of team) we're not going to judge someone for being a bad player if they lose with watford. But you'll be considered a good player if you win with them. It's not like you're going to be watford and then you won't ever be considered a worthy oppenent ever again etc. It's a bit of fun, but at the same time slightly competative.

[NeoKubrick]

I understand where Neo is coming from. He doesnt want to get bogged down with a team like Watford because he did well in a previous tournament. But what Neo needs to realise is that this would be a fun competition, and you proving youself to do well with one of these teams would actually reflect better on you that doing well in the championsleague using Inter..

Not necessarily. I've only used one team in any online or offline match (Arsenal - having an irrational loyalty to whom I support), with one exception: when my cousin accidentally picked NEC for a ranked match. I lost three-one in that instance against a Brazil-boy, but it surprised me the quality of NEC. So, I don't mind getting bogged down with a supposedly sub-standard team.

I assumed that this was a competitive league. That's the point of playing football. But if it's a "fun" league, I'll still participate, even though I still think that the whole point of this seeding and non-duplication is to limit the amount of players who have good teams. Wouldn't it be easier to leave out these teams altogether?


And I've never used Inter, but how many, here, can say they haven't used Inter in a ranked match? ;)

[TURTLE ZED]

I have never used Inter in a ranked match! Fact!

Ha Ha, but I do use Arsenal all the time, as I consider them to be even better, Henry is bionic and they have pace and skill all over the pitch.

I'm a lifelong Arsenal fan, but then I do need all the help I can get, but I'm willing to slog it out with whatever team the draw gives me. I just want an even comp, where we can all challenge each other, and not just have to take on the likes of Arsenal and Inter in the hands of the best players.

Still we'll find out soon whats gonna happen, I'm sure it'll be fine, and of course you cant make everyone happy, but then if you dont like the rules, I suppose you dont have to sign up to it in the first place do you.

[crage1927]

I'm interested, when is registration please, and how do I register?

[KONSPIRACY]

Registration will be open at some point next week mate. There will be a portal on the homepage where you simply click on a link to complete the automated registration :cool:

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Here's a crazy idea, and one that should be considered before being dismissed out of hand!!

The idea of the league is to find the best player, right? Not the best team...

The best player should be able to cope with whatever team they get lumbered with, right?

Well, Pro Evo has the "random team" option when picking - and it generally balances itself out. I often play this option with mates and to be honest i think it works really well. The couple of times they get Germany and I get Lithuania (or similar), the random player mood "thing" balances everything out - they end up with a few blues, I get a few reds. You can even limit the randomness to specific leagues.




Shall I get my coat?

[TURTLE ZED]

Moose, that’s the most original idea yet, and definately possible. Have to admit, I’ve been in 4-5leagues to date and I’ve never seen this done - good idea though, seriously.

The only flaw I could see, is it’d be too reliant on honesty when letting the game pick a team, and I’m sure it wouldnt be too hard with quick reactions to lets say, direct it to Inter or Arsenal for example - correct me if I’m wrong.
(not saying that people would try this though cause I’m sure were all an honest bunch)

[BlueHoopedMoose]

[QUOTE=TURTLE ZED;13410]The only flaw I could see, is it

[Jedi Minds UK]

Random Teams for me but i play the game for fun and a dont care about coming top of the league.

[Menace Red3]

i think kon should do a poll to see if people want random teams or picked teams for the league.

[TURTLE ZED]

Yeah, see Arsenal are top left in the Premier League, so that could be a problem.

I do think this is a quite an exciting and different idea, but one thing I would miss is when you have control over a set team for the season, its really nice to tinker with formations and players, and get your medicore team playing well enough to come up against the likes of Inter.

The problem here, is that yes it’d judge us on how good we are at just playing with any old team, but someone like me who probably isnt the best technically of PES, I love the fact that I can alter a game throught tatics and formations. Perosnally I like being a manager of a set club through a whole season, although I can see the benefits of your idea Moose.

So many formula’s been proposed, whats it gonna be!!

[Gaskin]

Well how about just a random draw before hand, then you're with that team all season. Lowest seeds teams are randomly drawn first too etc. Does that sound a bit better? Then the higher seeds still have a chance of getting a decent club.

Although personally I'd rather stick with the lower seeds choosing themselves but yeah.. whatever floats your boat.

[Burning Toast]

And Burning Toast will back me up - randoms FTW!!!.

Yes I can and do - games have been good and teams are so random, but fun. Only probelm is that I think we are quite evenly matched, against a better player (or worse) it might not be as enjoyable - if your good, your good. Even teams won't help the poorer players. V good idea though

Well how about just a random draw before hand, then you're with that team all season. Lowest seeds teams are randomly drawn first too etc.

TBH can't see how that's much better than just doing totally random draws (no seeding etc) it would be just luck of the draw. Personally would like to pick a team, least you'll get a team that you can be reasonably happy with - problem, doing that with 40 people could take some time in itself.

Apologies, only offer problems not solutions!!!!!

[IcemanLeigh]

There were a couple of things that i enjoyed most about the World cup that we did when we were randomly assigned teams to play with.

1. Getting to play against teams i have never played against. Having matchups that were the likes of Tunisia vs Morroco, and not just Brazil vs Brazil, or England vs France, EVERY game.I get very bored of that.

2. Getting used to playing with my team. I got one of the worst teams on the game, Tunisia. But still loved every minute of playing with them. They really turned out to be not a bad side, except for the fact that for love nor money could they finish! I worked hard on my tactics, and learning all of my players strenghts and weaknesses. I got used to their play, starting using them online for practise and was beating players using brazil who laughed at the team selection screen.

This is exactly what we would get from a league in this way, and this time we have seedings to go on, making it even fairer, along with the option to choose the team that you want from a certain few to make it even more personal.

As far as i am concerned, this is the way to go. We all get our teams, I can make some lovely sigs again ;) And we have a great league playing with teams that we are not used to. After the first season the teams who are top, pick last and have to prove themselves to be just as strong without using a big gun.

[Hursti]

I have to admit, the world cup comp was probably the best one i have taken part in so far, and like you said, the mix of teams was awesome and knowing that each match wasn't going to be Brazil vs Brazil.

I got drew with Serbia and Montenegro, a pretty average team, but once i got chance to train with them, i thought we did quite good.

[TURTLE ZED]

Hey guys at the top, just wondering when we’ll be hearing what the chosen formula for league will be, and when it all kicks off. The anticipation is killing me.

[Gaskin]

Registration for this event will be opening within the next couple of weeks. Details will be announced at the same time. Thanks for your patience.

[Menace Red3]

gaskin u sound so old and proffesional then ;) haha i hope we get random teams.

[Gaskin]

Sweet, glad I made you happy.

[Menace Red3]

oh it did :S haha :) gj

[Renegade]

Right, first question is how in the hell I missed this for so long??

I've read the whole thread so far, and completely agree with the lesser players getting first choice of teams. As those at XL will back me up, I was fuming about everyone getting to choose their own team and duplicates being allowed. There were like 9 Brazils in there - in my group I played Brazil in all but one game (Gaskin you legend!).

Basically, I don't care how the teams are assigned, as long as no duplicates are allowed. I don't care if everyone has great teams, crap teams or average teams, as long as they are all different. I would like a random team draw personally, with every player in a hat and every team in a hat - but that would mean some players drop out straight away as has been said.

Therefore the best way is to get lower ranked or new players to pick their own team first, then go through the rankings choosing teams each time from ONE league - obviously going to be the Premiership to start with. This gives everyone a fighting chance - remember that having the best team doesn't mean you're going to win, but it does mean you can at least compete with the best. Some smaller clubs are going to get near the top, possibly gaining promotion, and eventually the best players will rise to the top anyway no matter what team they have been allocated.

Simply cannot wait for the League to begin. I (obviously) created a thread today suggesting a league, thinking that it hadn't been suggested yet - I really want a decent league and a strengthening community. The only way to stop from alienating players and getting more responses is by seeding the teams or randomising them. And if duplicates are allowed then I'm afraid this is one Matchbox event I won't be entering.

Quick question - would the spaces be first come, first served or will there be a set allocation from those in the XL and CL events if they wish to be in the league?

[Hursti]

Quick question - would the spaces be first come, first served or will there be a set allocation from those in the XL and CL events if they wish to be in the league?

Well i think it all depends on how much interest this league gets. If possible to do two leagues simultaneously, i'd imagine we'd do that...but i cant say to be honest.

Cant wait for this to begin!

[Renegade]

That's fair enough, I was just curious.

To be honest, I think it will fill up at about the same rate as the CL did - in that anyone checking this site often enough will have plenty of time to sign up.

Just a favour tho - Gaskin, when registration starts can you message me on live and let me know? That was I won't miss it if for some reason I don't see the site. Cheers!

[Gaskin]

We have our seedings and we're hoping for a registration of about 40. Therefore the top 16 players from the CL that register will be in the first league, with 4 of the first players to register. The second league will be filled with everybody else. That's how I'd like it to be done, but things could change within this week as I'm going to have a talk with Chris and Leigh and we'll decide then. It could be that the top 20 seedings go into the first league and the rest go into the second but the top 16 is easier to seperate. no wat i is sayin dawg, init?

Oh and Renegade.. sweden ftw :p

Edit: Yeah I'll do that for you. :cool:

[BlueHoopedMoose]

so is it definately going to be done via seedings? Damn, I had anothe uber-1337 idea to throw into the hat re: team selection.

The problem with seedings is that youi need a large amount of events for them to balance out - how many leagues do you think you can turn round in a year? 3? 4 tops?

[IcemanLeigh]

so is it definately going to be done via seedings? Damn, I had anothe uber-1337 idea to throw into the hat re: team selection.

The problem with seedings is that youi need a large amount of events for them to balance out - how many leagues do you think you can turn round in a year? 3? 4 tops?

I dont think that a complete representative balance is necessarily what everyone wants though. I mean, this is obviously the dream, but with players allowed to plractise whenever they like, realistically it just wont happen perfectly.

So therefore, people just want a fun event where you dont end up playing Inter or Brazil every game, whilst at the same time, being competative and the argueably lesser players getting a bigger and better team to maximse their chances of mizing with the big dogs ;)

We do have a rough seeding table worked out which is soon to be revised slightly, this is from the Champions league event, and will provide a headstart on getting an idea of who should be placed with the smaller teams.

Whatever happens though it will be a fun event and I am looking forward to it as much as you guys. I cannot wait.. ;)

[BlueHoopedMoose]

I dont think that a complete representative balance is necessarily what everyone wants though.
if you're not going to have a representitive balance then what's the point of even trying to use seedings? either you do it properly, or you don't bother at all. my biggest "fear" is how you will deal with new players who have no ranking? do you assume they are high seed, low seed? IMO either way will lead to trouble. Imagine the scenario where someone new joins, you place them as a low seed and they get Inter. Then you find out that this guy is actually a demon player... that season isn't going to be fun for many people...

So therefore, people just want a fun event where you dont end up playing Inter or Brazil every game, whilst at the same time, being competative and the argueably lesser players getting a bigger and better team to maximse their chances of mizing with the big dogs ;)
If it's all about stopping people playing with the same 5 or 6 teams why not simply ban them from being used? much simpler.

We do have a rough seeding table worked out which is soon to be revised slightly, this is from the Champions league event, and will provide a headstart on getting an idea of who should be placed with the smaller teams.
Yes an idea, but based on how many people? You simply don't have enough data to start seeding people and this surely makes the whole process moot? Everything else will just be guesswork and that *will* lead to arguments and people *****in' about being shafted.

I'm not *****ing about this just for the sake of it, I just think seedings is flawed at this stage in mb360's Pro Evo "life"

[KONSPIRACY]

so is it definately going to be done via seedings? Damn, I had anothe uber-1337 idea to throw into the hat re: team selection.

Dont be shy moose...please tell. :cool:

[Burning Toast]

Therefore the top 16 players from the CL that register will be in the first league, with 4 of the first players to register. The second league will be filled with everybody else.

Surely the first league will have all the 'best players' in with 'poor' teams and the other league will obviously be the opposite, I don't see how this is a good use of the seeding - picking teams yes, but would prefer to be a good mix of teams / skill in each of the leagues. We want to see the like of Chelsea against Watford as a possibility.

Also having one league with regular players (that turn up) if fine, but if you in the other league you could end up with lots of no shows and become frustrating.

Suggestion is to use all the even number (seedings) in one league and odd's for the other.

Regarding seedings, use the XL & CL data, but for all the unknowns put them in the middle.

Picking of teams, I can see this being v difficult, takes time to know who to use, what works best for me needs a few days to do this = could take weeks to sort out 40 teams. What about doing a list of the a good mix of teams (good, ok, poor) 1 - 40 , with seeding being allocated the associated team, with then a week to do swapping / transfers, or change to a team not in the selection, but within reason (not a perfect solution, but could work)

[OB1theGeordie]

Yeah tell him, cos i reckon i lucked out in some of my CL games and being seeded would be a mare lol. :eek:

Too be honest though I wanna be the Toon!!!!

Being them makes the game more life like, defenders slipping all over and following the ball all at once.

Big titty bramble at the back, spraying long passes around like glenn hoddle in his hey-day. He'll destroy you all! :rolleyes:

[KONSPIRACY]

Would anyone care to send me a list of how you rank the teams in the game. Send me a PM or email to: konspiracy@matchbox360.co.uk

Premiership only for now will do...or if you're really bored then do the whole lot! :D

[Renegade]

BlueHoopedMoose -

What if new players were to be given a draw in the middle, so they avoid the crap at the bottom but don't get the superstars at the top? It's not perfect, but every league has to start somewhere. The majority of people wanting into this league at conception will be people that regularly use this site, and more likely to be those that played in XL or the CL. Anyone after a quick-fire tournament like the wasters that signed up for the CL will know it's a long affair, being in a league, and most likely won't. I'm not saying there will be no new players, but if it takes one season of slight mismatches to make sure that next season is even better, it's for the greater good. If that mediocre team finises 1st or 2nd in the season, we know to seed them higher next time and the league balances out. No league can be perfect first time, as long as we all know that we are entering into a sort of 'beta test' for the league and making sure we report any possible refinements or streamlining. I know for a fact that things can and will go wrong - we are here to make sure that the league can deal with it, and only by making mistakes can things change for the better. Mistakes we havn't even thought of WILL happen - but without us signing up they will never know.

You can't just 'ban' those teams from being used. Having the big teams in a league makes for exciting matches against them for lower league teams - I for one don't mind being a lesser team and relishing a game against Chelsea or United. The problem people have is that these teams get overused. I don't want to play every single game against the same 4 opposition. Twice a season is healthy, it means certain players need to 'step up' their game, just like in real life.

If anybody is entering this thinking that it will all go swimmingly, they are mistaken. It won't - the first season of any league is always to iron out any problems, and this will be no different. It will still be fun, which is the whole point. The seedings will change every year, with the first year intended solely to establish a more detailed seeding than to perfect it in the first place.

For any mods/admins reading this - is there any way I can help out? This kind of thing is really interesting to me and I would love to be a part of it - both with this league and with PES stuff in future. Let me know if there's anything I can do!

[KONSPIRACY]

@ renegade - see my post above if you wanna help :cool:

This event will run smooth as a babies arse from the MatchBox360 staff. The only denominator which we have little control over is ppl not playing their games and that is the only thing that will cause any disruption to the league.

[Renegade]

Kon - sent a list for you.

[KONSPIRACY]

Where did you send it to? Havent received anythin (yet) :cool:

[Renegade]

to konspiracy@matchbox360.co.uk. I'm at work so it might just be going through the system for a minute.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

renegadeds: I generally agree with what you are saying, but I think you have to put things into context.

You mention fine-tuning the seedings, which is great, I just don't think that your normal user on here has the "stamina" to last that long, I honestly don't.
With 16 players in a league, home and away fixtures I think you would struggle to finish a season in 8 weeks. So, you're looking at about 18 weeks to get two seasons done and have seedings that are becoming useful. 4 months. I don't think mb360 has that many dedicated PES6 players to make that work - remember, it's not a specialist site like PESfan which (IIRC) operates a very successful seeding system.

[Renegade]

PESFan doesn't - it's just a portal and forum (I should know, 2 years registered). I think you mean pesrankings - yes, that does offer a decent seeding system, but it's all calculated via the ELO system over many many tournaments. What it does differently is allows every user to make their own events, with as many or few players as they like in them. When this event is done, it ranks the players according to who they beat, how important it was, etc etc. Therefore, players that enter the official offline events will rank up much faster even if they only win one game, whereas someone stuck not able to enter these will languish, even if they are the better player. It's like rating a small African team below England even though they might be better than England - simply because they never get chance to play on the same level. Notice the African cup of Nations winners are still ranked below England despite us never getting past quarter finals and not winning anything for half a century.

Unless Matchbox can allow every user to create their own events and use the massively flawed ELO system, seedings based on league standings is as good as we are going to get. Not to mention that the first few seasons will be to establish the leagues to players outside of Matchbox - I bet Pro Evo Network struggled to get off the ground to begin with - it has to be established and is now one of the best - WITHOUT ELO rankings.

This is the reason I suggested a 'vetting' system - to stop new players signing up and walking off. They would need to arrange 4 or 5 games against either a mod or admin or trusted member, and stick to them. The mod/admin/member then records the willingness to meet a deadline, the quality of connection, the spirit of the player and allows them in if all is well. Having a system that you need to work to enter means that more people value their place, and you get much less timewasting.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

PESFan doesn't - it's just a portal and forum (I should know, 2 years registered). I think you mean pesrankings...
yes, that's what i meant hence the "IIRC". though to be honest i don't see what relevance the 2 years membership has...

I bet Pro Evo Network struggled to get off the ground to begin with - it has to be established and is now one of the best - WITHOUT ELO rankings.
yes it is one of the best, and it also only concentrates on ONE game. the members who play there are dedicated players, and it's that dedication i think would be missing from the people who sign up here.

the first couple of seasons? halomatchmaker / mb360 struggled to get two seasons of the Halo 2 league finished without teams dropping out and that was with a game that people played religously.

don't get me wrong - i am not questioning your commitment, and i do believe you have some people that would be "stayers". however, i would be extremely surprised if you found 40 players (as Gaskin mentioned) that are willing to play the amount of seasons required to make seedings worthwhile.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Dont be shy moose...please tell. :cool:

It's an idea i've suggested before but for cup games - pondering it some more i think it would work better with a league format.

It's the old "team swap" thing that Toast originally came up with. I'll explain for those that missed it the first time...

Each fixture consists of two legs. Players can pick any team they like. After the first leg you simply swap teams. I play Toast in the first leg and he picks Inter (n00b) and I plump for Reading. After the first game, I play as Inter, he plays as Reading.

The combined score from both legs (no away goals) gives you the result, so draws are still possible.

The idea behind this is that those people who can't possibly play with any other team than Inter get to do so and I get to play as my favourite team. The huge advantage from playing as Inter is dilluted because any decent player can pick them and score goals - only very good players can pick up a team like Reading (having not played much with them before) and then defend well against your Inters, your Arsenals, etc.

Basically, can you score more goals playing as your Inter against my well organised Reading team, than I can score playing as Inter against your shoddily organised Reading defence?

Just another idea to chuck into the melting pot...

[KONSPIRACY]

Yeah I like that idea moose...but it would allow for teams to be replicated by numerous players which is what most ppl seem to want to avoid.

[BlueHoopedMoose]

Yeah I like that idea moose...but it would allow for teams to be replicated by numerous players which is what most ppl seem to want to avoid.

Ture, but then let them take the chance - if I knew my opponent was going to pick Inter I'd fancy my chances as Reading over two legs for sure.

[Burning Toast]

It's the old "team swap" thing that Toast originally came up with..

Thanks for the recognition.

With regards to the not playing / using the same teams, how about having a set list of teams that are to be used, where you can only use teams on the list ONCE - therefore forced to use different teams every time - will really show the good players and imagine could be a very interesting & tactical format for a league. Could do leagues of 10 to start with, having a either a mixed league and just rotating or using the seeds and having promotion / relegation. I know it's totally different to what was originally on the card, but hey.

You would be able to do this in either the 2 leg suggestion (which obviously I like a lot) or even just a single games, but still play each person twice (depending on group sizes).


There seem to be a lot of ideas on the table, I think it might be a case of just picking one, or doing a poll or something.

[Renegade]

I like the 'everyone can use one team once' idea, and when everyone has used them, that is the league standing and the seeding. I like it.

Moose - my 2 years reference was just to confirm PESFan being a portal and forum, and the reason I know how it acts is because I'm a regular there. That's all.

[IcemanLeigh]

The idea of being able to choose any team and play two legs switching teams is fine. But what most people have been saying, and also my personal opinion involved, is that playing the same teams all the time is boring. Some people will take the chance, and it would balance itself out well and turn into a good competative league.

Personally though, I would get bored of it. I dont want to play with Inter, and i dont really want to play against Inter any more than i have to. Yes some players might take the opportunity to be a lower team, but its a real gamble, and Im not sure that many people would.

Alot of people loved the Pro evo worl cup that we did. Players got to play with teams they dont usually play with and against teams they dont usually play against. But more importantly they were able to learn their team and try to get the most from them. Personally I want this recreated in this league., which would be the picking with no duplication, or allocating with no duplication.

I also think that Leagues should be randomised, but seedings still used where possible for picking, or allocating the teams. The problem with allocation of teams (which would be my prefered idea if it were not for this problem) is that not everyone will agree with our ranking of teams, and so we would have to do it secretly and keep all seedings and team rankings to ourselves (which is a possibility)

[Hursti]

To do random teams and seedings...how are you going to do it...would you take like a group of teams around the same skill levels and pull out of a hat according to how low you are in the seedings...for example, say Man utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Newcastle are around the same skill level(which they pretty much are) would you put them into a hat, and the first team to get drawn out would go to the lowest seeded player, then the team after that would go to the next one etc...

[IcemanLeigh]

To do random teams and seedings...how are you going to do it...would you take like a group of teams around the same skill levels and pull out of a hat according to how low you are in the seedings...for example, say Man utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Newcastle are around the same skill level(which they pretty much are) would you put them into a hat, and the first team to get drawn out would go to the lowest seeded player, then the team after that would go to the next one etc...

Nothing random about it.

If using seeds it would either be:

1. lowest seeds choosing their teams first

2. lowest seeds getting allocated the better teams by us, no choices, no arguements, no time for decision making and waiting on players to decide before the next person can pick their team..

[Renegade]

I'm happy for all teams to be decided by you lot, nobody getting to choose a specific team. It's much more fair that way.

[Hursti]

I'm happy for all teams to be decided by you lot,

When we see Leigh with Man Utd now, we know why ;)

[IcemanLeigh]

When we see Leigh with Man Utd now, we know why ;)

Lol, i didnt do very well in the champions league so you never know.. ;) Plus i dont want united :P I want the mighty Tottenham! I doubt many people would fight me for them anyway lol.

Of course, even though some of the staff are involved everything would be done properly and checked by neutral staff members.. ;)

Checked to make sure I get Chelsea.. :eek: :cool:

[Menace Red3]

ye ok dude should be fine and sorry to every1 for holding up the league :( this should hopefully get done 2moz. sorry guys. (gaskin put me with newcastle ;) hehe)

[heyburt]

So whats actually going on with this now seeing as I haven't been around for 'sooo' long.

[Hursti]

Menace, you'll be like the third or fourth to last person to pick a team so I wouldn't count on being Newcastle lol

[KONSPIRACY]

Everything will be in place within the next 24hrs...I may also have an extra special surprise lined up for all you dedicated PES6 players! ;) :D

[Renegade]

Oooh, this sounds fun! *unzips*

[TURTLE ZED]

Yeah!!! I thought the idea was slowly drifting away, but now bang, there it is, 24 hrs away. Cant wait.

[heyburt]

Everything will be in place within the next 24hrs...I may also have an extra special surprise lined up for all you dedicated PES6 players! ;) :D

It's as if all my childhood dreams have come true. :D

[heyburt]

Oh Jesus.... Im going to get Watford, Reading, Sheffield United or Wigan aren't I....

Damn seedings why couldn't I have been knocked out in the group stages...

[Renegade]

Kon - what's the surprise? Seeing as the league is a mere day away from registration, what's going on?!

[KONSPIRACY]

All you need to know is that the league rules and registration will be online today.

Surprise?...well it wouldnt be a surprise if I tell you would it?! :D All will be revealed in good time if it happens ;)

[Hursti]

I hate surprises :mad: Why cant you just tell us...or...actually no, just tell us :)

[Hursti]

Hey, there's nothing wrong with them teams, as long as you get the right formation with them and a decent amount of time to practice with them, you'll do well.

[Menace Red3]

Menace, you'll be like the third or fourth to last person to pick a team so I wouldn't count on being Newcastle lol

dammit :( lol it was worth a try hehe.

[heyburt]

Hey, there's nothing wrong with them teams, as long as you get the right formation with them and a decent amount of time to practice with them, you'll do well.

Except they are extrememly slow.... like... Tortoise slow.

[Xg Corkin]

Everything will be in place within the next 24hrs...I may also have an extra special surprise lined up for all you dedicated PES6 players!

I sure hopes its a free 42" HDTV with a premium Xbox 360 and any choice of three games. (I can wish can't i :))

[NeoKubrick]

Except they are extrememly slow.... like... Tortoise slow.

Heh.

I think that a few of the Barca and Inter boys will be found out in the league. ;)

There's nothing wrong with Watford, and they're the worst team in the English league, if I'm not mistaken. Not to boast, but citing it as an example: I put five goals past Bolton with Watford. It's possible to win, score and defend with any team, no matter the opposition; in the end, it's up to you.

[Hursti]

Heh.


There's nothing wrong with Watford, and they're the worst team in the English league, if I'm not mistaken. Not to boast, but citing it as an example: I put five goals past Bolton with Watford. It's possible to win, score and defend with any team, no matter the opposition; in the end, it's up to you.

That wasn't against me :o lol...but i did put four past you in the first game :p

You just have to learn to pass more and become a hell of a lot better in defence...except in my case, I cant do any lol

[Hursti]

I sure hopes its a free 42" HDTV with a premium Xbox 360 and any choice of three games. (I can wish can't i :))

Who's wishin'. Course that's the surprise, and I'm going to win :)

Now, what three games do I want...

[NeoKubrick]

That wasn't against me :o lol...but i did put four past you in the first game :p

You just have to learn to pass more and become a hell of a lot better in defence...except in my case, I cant do any lol

Yeah, you hammered me just like Gaskin did in the first game. I'll put it down to adjusting from playing with Arsenal to playing with Watford. :p

[Hursti]

Yeah, you hammered me just like Gaskin did in the first game. I'll put it down to adjusting from playing with Arsenal to playing with Watford. :p

Don't compare me to Gaskin...I'm way better than he is ;)

[heyburt]

You can say what you want about people being inter or whoever... but seriously I hate playing as slow teams... chelsea for example are really really slow....

Spurs...Newcastle...Celta Vigo all fast teams that I use...

Celtic are the worst team in the game...damn slow and piss poor.

[heyburt]

Anyone wanna choose my three games for me?

I'll also be donating the 360 to charity....

[GeorgeTheBest]

chelsea for example are really really slow....

are u serious??

how can u say chelsea are really slow, some of they're midfield might not be the quickest eg. lampard and ballack. but they're wingers and forwards are some of the quickest not to mension how strong shevchenko and drogba are on the ball.

by the way i do not support chelsea and i dont really like defending them.

i do agree with celtic being slow, but there's more to the game than just quickness thats why im looking forward to the league. we'll get to see how good these inter people really are.

[Renegade]

Bomberman Act: Zero

Rumble Roses

Sneak King


Enjoy your games ;)

[Xg Corkin]

Bomberman Act: Zero

Rumble Roses

Sneak King


Enjoy your games

And i'll throw in Alaska adventures too. :) Back on topic hows all this going to work, when we have all signed up would all of us not have to be on matchbox at the same time to choose our teams in order.

[Gaskin]

It's not definate that the league will go as how it was proposed. I'm hoping Chris will announce details soon.

[Renegade]

Well we would have to do it in order, but basically what could happen is Kon (or someone involved) sends a list of available teams to the first person, who sends back who they want, then Kon sends the new list to the next person, etc etc. Or obviously we all choose on here. It's not the easiest thing to do, but should work out.

Kon - you said today, where's our league?!? ;)


*edit* Gaskin, that the surprise? :p Fancy a couple of games right now?

[Gaskin]

Drogba's slow, I think that's where he's coming from. But if you play the right formation with Chelsea they're evil.

[KONSPIRACY]

A little cryptic teaser for you all...

The "surprise" is taking shape...some of you may like it and some of you may not!

The PES6 League rules and format are ready to roll, but needless to say whilst the "surprise" is being confirmed there will be a short delay.

Please be patient as this will be of benefit to all PES6 players and MatchBox360. Cheers :cool:

[heyburt]

It wasn't a tactical thing its a personal thing... as in "I personally do not enjoy playing slow paced football"

[IcemanLeigh]

It wasn't a tactical thing its a personal thing... as in "I personally do not enjoy playing slow paced football"

I have used chelsea alot, and whilst I am now starting to feel I am not getting the most out of pes that I could by using another team, I enjoyed playing with chelsea and deffinitely played fast paced football. Dictate the play using robben, ashley cole, and to an extent shevchenko and you have no problems with pace.

Alot more pace than Tottenham anyway..

[heyburt]

naaa spurs... have lennon... berbatov.. defoe.... keane.... mido.... davids... all players I can run with.... but then again its opinion...

[Gaskin]

All those players you named are slower than the Chelsea players. Even Drogba's quicker than half of them.

[NeoKubrick]

All those players you named are slower than the Chelsea players. Even Drogba's quicker than half of them.

He's probably referring to the dribble speed of those particular players.

[OB1theGeordie]

I want it now! ~stamps feet~

[OB1theGeordie]

i hate chelsea to but drogba on the left and robben on the right, cutting in, sheva in the middle. Lethal combo that man.

[Renegade]

I think I might know what the surprise is ;)

[heyburt]

Celebrity Players?

Kon they will only be playing second fiddle to me....

[KONSPIRACY]

I think its just been leaked! lol :D

MatchBox360 are pleased to announce that we will be working alongside PESfan and the official PES Rankings for our forthcoming online and XL LAN events. Obviously this will give all you dedicated PES6 players a little more to play for online and at XL.

Needless to say we will continue to provide competitions for all the community with non-ranked events including the much talked about PES6 League we've recently been discussing.

Hope you like the "surprise" :cool:

[Hursti]

Where's my HDTV :( I was so looking forward to winning it.

[KONSPIRACY]

...n now for my next trick! :D *whips out brand spanking new HDTV*

*only messing*

...but seriously, if we are able to source prizes for our events (which is highly possible and again something I'm working towards) then they will be announced accordingly :cool:

[heyburt]

cool.... but what does this mean? like ins and outs....?

[KONSPIRACY]

Basically...

We will be working alongside PES Rankings for official PES6 ranked events in addition to the fun tournaments that we have been organising for the last few years. There will be no major changes...we'll just be offering you more choice, variety and competitions for all you PES6 players whatever your skill level! Feel free to ask any questions or make any suggestions as we always value your input. :cool:

[Renegade]

Seedings and that basically go out the windows though if I remember rightly. So we all pick the teams we want?

[KONSPIRACY]

For the official MatchBox360 PES Rankings event...yes.

For the MatchBox360 PES6 unranked league (and any other comps)...the seedings will be in full effect!

:cool:

[Rocafella]

Is it too late to join this unranked league or has it not started yet?

[KONSPIRACY]

Registration will probably open within the next week mate so you're more than welcome to join in :cool:

[KONSPIRACY]

I think its safe to say this league wont be happening.

/moved to events archive.

[Gaskin]

Indeed, it was replaced by multiple cups.